#archiveteam-bs 2012-07-19,Thu

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00:12 🔗 shaqfu Would there be any interest in someone (me) piling together every HyperCard stack and putting it up somewhere?
00:12 🔗 shaqfu I've come across a lot lately, and AFAIK there are no solid repos for them
00:13 🔗 winr4r shaqfu: do eeeet
00:13 🔗 SketchCow yes
00:13 🔗 SketchCow do it
00:14 🔗 shaqfu There were some neat ones that almost died in, of all things, memac
00:14 🔗 winr4r shaqfu: you get a hug if you do it
00:15 🔗 shaqfu And this other project of mine just got delayed for two months, so I've time
00:18 🔗 winr4r shaqfu: the hug should be motivation enough
00:18 🔗 shaqfu winr4r: Indeed
00:23 🔗 shaqfu I realized today my entire productivity is predicated on me being really angry at something
00:23 🔗 winr4r shaqfu: DUDE
00:23 🔗 winr4r me too
00:27 🔗 shaqfu Dinosaur archivists laugh and say a muni incorporation index is impossible -> mostly done it
00:27 🔗 shaqfu Copyright is binding hands to make a good repo -> hitting my sources now
00:28 🔗 winr4r ah, you mean being angry at a specific thing not being done rather than just angry generally?
00:28 🔗 shaqfu winr4r: Yeah
00:28 🔗 winr4r ah, gotcha
00:29 🔗 winr4r my most productive days have actually come out of being angry or depressed more generally, haha
00:33 🔗 arkhive What file system do you guys recommend for Ubuntu 12.04. It will be dual booting Windows XP 32bit. Ext4 journaling?
00:33 🔗 arkhive Haven't used Ubuntu since 7.04 if iirc
00:35 🔗 winr4r i'm using ext4
00:35 🔗 winr4r but i also think the whole thing is a bit of a mess
00:36 🔗 winr4r a corrupted filesystem at boot should allow you to drop to a root prompt and fsck it
00:37 🔗 winr4r instead, it drops you to a busybox shell which does not have fsck, and so you have to download ubuntu again, boot from USB, fsck it from there
00:37 🔗 winr4r which is a massive fuck-up when you're trying to get non-technical users to use it (i have)
00:37 🔗 winr4r but, that's probably true of any FS you use
00:37 🔗 winr4r journalled ext4 is as good a filesystem as any
00:39 🔗 SketchCow ext4 should be enough for anyone
00:39 🔗 SketchCow Hey, Reiser just got ordered to pay millions to his children for killing their mom
00:39 🔗 SketchCow I didn't know you could do that
00:39 🔗 * SketchCow starts saving up
00:39 🔗 winr4r hahaha
00:41 🔗 shaqfu Where's he getting the millions from, if he's in jail?
00:41 🔗 winr4r shaqfu: presumably the money he made before he went to jail
00:42 🔗 shaqfu Is he supposed to pay them in cigs and rape?
00:44 🔗 SketchCow http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Hans-Reiser-must-pay-kids-60-million-3713670.php
00:44 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: i blame you for getting me hooked on "teenagers" again
00:44 🔗 SketchCow An Alameda County civil jury ordered convicted murderer Hans Reiser on Tuesday to pay $60 million to his young son and daughter for strangling their mother, rejecting his assertions in a wrongful-death case that he had rightfully killed her to protect the children.
00:44 🔗 SketchCow hahahaha
00:44 🔗 winr4r (that would be easy to quote out of context)
00:44 🔗 SketchCow Great argument, just the kind of argument a filesystem nerd would make.
00:44 🔗 winr4r haha what the fuck
00:44 🔗 SketchCow Arturo Gonzalez, the attorney representing Rory and Niorline Reiser, now 12 and 11, respectively, had asked jurors to order Reiser to pay $10 million in compensatory damages to each of them and an additional $5 million in punitive damages.
00:44 🔗 SketchCow The jury, after deliberating for several hours over two days, instead ordered the one-time computer programmer to pay $25 million to each child, plus $10 million in punitive damages.
00:44 🔗 SketchCow NOW THAT IS GOLD
00:45 🔗 winr4r wow this is a black hole of asshole, isn't it?
00:45 🔗 arkhive should i format the partition even though part of the disk is still used by windows?
00:46 🔗 winr4r i mean you can't even comment on it one way or the other without sounding like an asshole
00:46 🔗 SketchCow He also compared himself to Moses killing a slave master and hiding the body in the sand.
00:46 🔗 shaqfu Hahahahahahaha
00:46 🔗 winr4r it's an asshole black hole that even sucks comments about the matter into it, making it into asshole
00:47 🔗 arkhive and what should i select for the mount point?
00:47 🔗 winr4r arkhive: isn't this done automatically now?
00:48 🔗 arkhive i'm doing it a different way
00:48 🔗 arkhive so i can resize the partition
00:48 🔗 winr4r arkhive: then you're on your own with this one
00:48 🔗 SketchCow Did everyone see the wall street guy that took a poison pill in court?
00:48 🔗 SketchCow Also amazing.
00:48 🔗 winr4r or at least, i can't help
00:48 🔗 SketchCow Like the batman.... except he didn't come back
00:48 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: one of the wall street fraudsters?
00:48 🔗 winr4r i didn't know about that
00:49 🔗 winr4r but i am all in favour of this
00:49 🔗 SketchCow PHOENIX . A man collapsed in court and died after being convicted Thursday of deliberately burning down his $3.5 million Phoenix mansion.
00:49 🔗 SketchCow Maricopa County sheriff's deputies said they were investigating whether Michael Marin put something in his mouth that led to his death after the verdict was read.
00:49 🔗 SketchCow "We will have to wait until we get toxicology reports from the medical examiner until we can confirm if he did and what the substance was," sheriff's spokesman Jeff Sprong said in a written statement.
00:50 🔗 SketchCow Marin was a former attorney, banker and art collector who had nearly $900,000 in the bank in 2008 but only $50 at the time of the fire, the Arizona Republic reported.
00:50 🔗 SketchCow An attorney, it'll do
00:50 🔗 shaqfu $50? Must've been cheap poison
00:51 🔗 shaqfu How the hell did he even get enough fuel to light up a mansion on $50
00:51 🔗 SketchCow http://www.policeone.com/corrections/articles/5789315-Video-Man-swallows-pill-dies-after-court-verdict/
00:51 🔗 SketchCow The CNN story in there is perfect
00:53 🔗 winr4r wow
01:08 🔗 omf_ So archive.org pisses me off again. The redundant 'Archive Jobs' and 'Jobs' which just points back to 'Archive Jobs'.
01:09 🔗 omf_ Good god why is it the portal to massive internet knowledge looks behind the times
01:09 🔗 omf_ there are ton of people on ao too http://archive.org/about/bios.php
01:10 🔗 winr4r and they're all beautiful
01:11 🔗 omf_ That is probably why they have a fill in image ;)
01:11 🔗 omf_ I am a pissed off web developer.
01:11 🔗 winr4r why are you pissed off?
01:12 🔗 omf_ I am tired of using broken ass sites that look like they came out of the 90s. What kind of public image does that show that you cannot stay with the times.
01:12 🔗 omf_ I am talking about more than just ao
01:12 🔗 winr4r omf_: ahahaha
01:13 🔗 winr4r dude i actually make my site look like a well-designed from the 90s
01:13 🔗 omf_ url?
01:13 🔗 winr4r http://lewiscollard.com/
01:14 🔗 winr4r i really don't get upset if sites look like they were made in 1999
01:14 🔗 omf_ you cannot call a plain web page a 90s web page
01:14 🔗 winr4r i mean i just don't have it in me to be annoyed by it
01:14 🔗 omf_ that is not the same. Ultra minimal never goes out of style
01:14 🔗 SketchCow http://followerwonk.com/analyze/sockington
01:14 🔗 omf_ I deal with the general public and all their hand waving. It is about usability
01:15 🔗 winr4r dude, i love you but you're actually complaining about the biggest archive of digital shit in the world having an outdated design
01:16 🔗 omf_ yes
01:16 🔗 shaqfu SketchCow: Wonder what his Klout is
01:16 🔗 omf_ It just turns people away from using it
01:16 🔗 winr4r shaqfu: i was about to say *exactly* the same thing
01:17 🔗 shaqfu Hahaha
01:17 🔗 omf_ that is interesting
01:19 🔗 omf_ it does not say how long the user has been on twitter
01:19 🔗 omf_ is that 7k+ tweets in 1 year, 5 years?
01:19 🔗 omf_ my bad
01:19 🔗 omf_ right there
01:19 🔗 winr4r yup
01:19 🔗 omf_ none of the people I have checked have under 1k days on there
01:21 🔗 winr4r i love socks!
01:22 🔗 SketchCow hahahaha
01:22 🔗 SketchCow so, sockington has a client
01:22 🔗 SketchCow called litterbox
01:22 🔗 SketchCow which he posts with
01:22 🔗 SketchCow twitter added an icon for it!!
01:23 🔗 winr4r hahahaha
01:23 🔗 winr4r that's fucking great
01:23 🔗 winr4r (hi mistym)
01:23 🔗 mistym Hey winr4r
01:30 🔗 winr4r http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/07/shell-artic-ready-hoax-fools-the-internet----again.html
01:30 🔗 winr4r in the one hand, that's a really lazy "here's what people said on twitter" news story
01:30 🔗 winr4r on*
01:31 🔗 winr4r and on the other, lololol i get mentioned on cbc.ca
01:41 🔗 mistym Yeah, these Storify "here's some stuff from the internet, because you read CBC to find out what's on Twitter" thing seems to be really common on a lot of news sites
01:42 🔗 mistym > these thing - I fail at grammar
01:50 🔗 winr4r mistym: haha
01:50 🔗 winr4r yeah, it is kind of like that
02:12 🔗 SketchCow https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/225774266874994689
02:12 🔗 SketchCow Makin' buddies
02:17 🔗 omf_ scott kurtz has always been a total d-bag.
02:17 🔗 omf_ I thought he was dead
02:17 🔗 omf_ SketchCow, you keep the good commentary up
02:18 🔗 omf_ too much bs not enough truth
02:28 🔗 dashcloud I feel kinda bad for the lady who wandered into the middle of that
02:28 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: you're brutal, man
02:28 🔗 winr4r as for me, i never liked penny arcade too much
02:29 🔗 winr4r there has always been like one actual character and three facial expressions
02:29 🔗 SketchCow The lady is a friend of my fiancee', she can take it.
02:29 🔗 dashcloud okay
02:29 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: wouldn't like you so much if you weren't so brutally honest :)
02:30 🔗 dashcloud never really read the comic, but I do like the Penny Arcade Report site
02:32 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: also, either i've missed it or you've not told me what date(s) you'll be in brighton
02:32 🔗 winr4r (i live very, very cheaply so i actually have to save up for this sort of thing)
02:32 🔗 underscor http://i.imgur.com/MvVIB.jpg
02:32 🔗 underscor nsfw
02:33 🔗 winr4r underscor: haha, i guess that might answer my question of what was the first text-only dong
02:40 🔗 shaqfu winr4r: There was probably some Snoopy Calendar variant involving them
02:41 🔗 shaqfu Dongs and computers just seem to attract each other
02:41 🔗 winr4r haha
02:49 🔗 SketchCow winr4r: http://2012.dconstruct.org/conference/#about
02:50 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: i'll do my best to be there
02:52 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: i mostly want to see if you're as scary IRL, haha
04:13 🔗 underscor winr4r: oh, he is
04:13 🔗 underscor it's AWESOME
04:14 🔗 winr4r underscor: did you meet him?
04:15 🔗 underscor multiple times
04:15 🔗 underscor we even rode the giant dipper
04:15 🔗 underscor 8)
04:17 🔗 underscor that sounds so dirty
04:17 🔗 underscor lol
04:20 🔗 winr4r haha
08:54 🔗 Schbirid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCl9xYSOVtM
09:57 🔗 SmileyG wow
09:57 🔗 SmileyG The (blind?) guy in the video "you walk into a room, its pitch black" 'I'm like..... I don't care?'
09:57 🔗 SmileyG Thats kind of mind blowing...
09:59 🔗 C-Keen_ yes, he's blind
10:03 🔗 SmileyG erm. yeah. erm.
10:15 🔗 Schbirid http://wmpoweruser.com/watch-what-you-store-on-skydriveyou-may-lose-your-microsoft-life/
10:16 🔗 Schbirid http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4265159
12:10 🔗 SmileyG I wanna play some IF now.
14:37 🔗 DFJustin chiptunes anybody http://archive.org/details/chiptunes-back2roots-2005-02-05
14:38 🔗 mistym DFJustin: Awesome.
15:45 🔗 winr4r cool.
15:45 🔗 winr4r :)
17:52 🔗 Coderjoe "Oh yes. Huuuuuge, I didn't even think about something like this and I ha e my 900 set to auto upload pics. My trips to Vegas are up there!! It was routine to get flashed at a bar when they saw me taking pics of me and my friends"
17:54 🔗 winr4r hm?
17:54 🔗 Coderjoe in the comments on the empoweruser.com story Schbirid linked
17:54 🔗 Schbirid i thought you were reading youtube comments
17:54 🔗 Coderjoe but... girls flashing to photobomb in vegas? really?
17:55 🔗 * Coderjoe looks into job listings and housing...
17:56 🔗 winr4r oh i missed that
19:07 🔗 winr4r still hooked on this MCR song man
19:08 🔗 winr4r i think this means i am actually 15, and in 2007
19:15 🔗 shaqfu balrog: I'm kinda baffled she took the job
19:15 🔗 balrog why?
19:16 🔗 balrog and not sure if you say this:
19:16 🔗 balrog http://www.flickr.com/dearinternet
19:16 🔗 balrog (and http://dearmarissamayer.com )
19:16 🔗 shaqfu balrog: Yahoo is still a huge company with huge resources, but dunno if it's able to correct course, so to speak
19:23 🔗 winr4r of course they can
19:23 🔗 winr4r note: *can*, not *will*
19:26 🔗 balrog Apple was able to correct course, and they were worse off
19:26 🔗 DFJustin http://theweek.com/article/index/230424/the-first-photograph-ever-posted-to-the-web
19:28 🔗 winr4r DFJustin: cool!
19:42 🔗 Schbirid kdirstat is fucking idiotic
19:42 🔗 Schbirid i saved a cache file of a big tree
19:42 🔗 Schbirid and reading it back in eats cpu like a kopenhagen whore eats hash cookies
19:42 🔗 Schbirid takes ages too
19:42 🔗 Schbirid if it works at all, we'll see
19:53 🔗 winr4r hm :<
19:56 🔗 Schbirid are HOPE talks available yet?
19:58 🔗 SmileyG I saw slashdot said there was a mp3...
19:58 🔗 SmileyG want me to go hunt a link for you Schbirid ?
19:58 🔗 Schbirid yes, please. if you find some more betoni mixsets than what are on archive.org please link me those too :D
19:59 🔗 SmileyG http://www.thelasthope.org/media/audio/64kbps/Community_Fabrication.mp3
20:00 🔗 SmileyG damn I'm fast :D
20:00 🔗 Schbirid lasthope was 2008 :P
20:04 🔗 Schbirid what a piece of shit (kdirstat)
20:05 🔗 Schbirid seems like it makes the file tree a file puddle with ignoring all the directories it saved
20:05 🔗 shaqfu :(
20:06 🔗 SmileyG wtf
20:07 🔗 SmileyG stupid slashdot :P(
20:07 🔗 SmileyG http://radio.hope.net/ << o_O?
20:10 🔗 winr4r hi SmileyG :)
20:12 🔗 SmileyG hey winr4r
20:25 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: when you come to the UK, will you consider doing an archive team/textfiles.com/general jason scott fan get-together meal or something?
20:26 🔗 winr4r when i looked at that conference at which you're speaking, it's like £130, i really do live very cheaply and with the travel costs and the rest, i don't have that to spend even at a month-and-a-bit's notice :/
20:27 🔗 winr4r i don't expect you to alter your schedule for cheap people like me, of course, but i'm sure you have a bunch of fans in the UK
20:30 🔗 Schbirid wait wat, treesize does not support ftp or what?
20:34 🔗 Schbirid i'll try http://www.tucows.com/preview/268351
20:35 🔗 winr4r Schbirid: on a unix?
20:35 🔗 winr4r you might want to look at ftpfs
20:36 🔗 Schbirid on a windows on a lunix
20:36 🔗 Schbirid nah, the problem is finding tools that support saving their results
20:36 🔗 Schbirid only kdirstat does that on linux (and it supports ftp right away)
20:36 🔗 winr4r ah
20:39 🔗 Schbirid meh, space totally fails on ftp
20:44 🔗 Schbirid FUCK YOU WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING
20:44 🔗 Schbirid if you mount a ftp dir, treesize fails because it fucking sucks and does not know how to handle that
20:45 🔗 Schbirid space does not even show that dir
20:46 🔗 winr4r hm
21:27 🔗 SketchCow Poor, cheap little winr4r
21:27 🔗 SketchCow I expect there to be maybe 1-2 people in the UK for getting together
21:27 🔗 SketchCow But I can certainly hang with you
21:28 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: heh, sorry man, not looking for sympathy but that's how it is
21:28 🔗 winr4r i would love to hang with you :)
21:29 🔗 SketchCow Poor little penny arcade, nobody wants to give too much cash.
21:32 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: how about if i met you at heathrow and we had a meal with some other AT folks/general fans?
21:33 🔗 SketchCow Let me start thinking about that whole trip a little later.
21:33 🔗 SketchCow Today I JUST tested the software I was depending on to generate the slides.
21:34 🔗 SketchCow but I need to get back to the defcon documentary.
21:34 🔗 winr4r okay :)
21:36 🔗 SketchCow I'm generating clips from interviews.
21:37 🔗 SketchCow I'm blasting the interview at 20% speed increase, so I can eval a 60 minute interview in, like, 48 minutes.
21:38 🔗 winr4r is there a downside to that?
21:40 🔗 SketchCow Everyone sounds like they're on cocaine
21:40 🔗 winr4r hahaha
21:40 🔗 Schbirid any fellow germans here?
21:43 🔗 SketchCow The method I'm using to sort clips is great and amazing. Only downside is ALL footage has to be available at all times.
21:45 🔗 winr4r how so?
21:46 🔗 SketchCow How so what?
21:47 🔗 SketchCow Every clip must be on a drive connected to the machine, in the form of a raw clip.
21:47 🔗 winr4r right, but how does that differ from any other method?
21:47 🔗 winr4r (honest question, i know nothing about video editing)
21:47 🔗 SketchCow So right now, there's 479gb of footage on my defcon directory.
21:47 🔗 winr4r sweet jesus
21:47 🔗 SketchCow In my OLD method, I rendered out specific clips, and put JUST those on a drive.
21:48 🔗 SketchCow So it might be, say, 400gb for ALL of GET LAMP
21:48 🔗 winr4r ahhh
21:48 🔗 winr4r gotcha
22:00 🔗 Coderjoe the difference is rendering out specific clips or having all the raw footage with some form of metadata that indicates where those clips in the former had come from.
22:00 🔗 Coderjoe (the former potentially removing the spoken questions, plus all the "ummmm" and "ah..." time and the like)
22:07 🔗 Schbirid http://vimeo.com/42857970
22:18 🔗 Schbirid nvm that link, skip
22:31 🔗 Coderjoe http://boingboing.net/2012/07/19/gallery-of-1960s-library-poste.html
22:34 🔗 shaqfu Coderjoe: I used to have a stolen library poster of Patrick Stewart up
22:34 🔗 shaqfu (reading Hamlet, naturally)
23:11 🔗 winr4r mistym: hello!
23:12 🔗 mistym winr4r: Hey!
23:12 🔗 * mistym just getting home
23:12 🔗 mistym I love a short commute.
23:15 🔗 winr4r ah :)
23:25 🔗 omf_ I am counting down to The Dark Knight Rises
23:25 🔗 omf_ is there a way to search just collection names on AO?
23:26 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/metamgr.php
23:27 🔗 omf_ awesome
23:27 🔗 SketchCow Also try http://archive.org/search_beta/
23:27 🔗 omf_ and it supports wildcards
23:27 🔗 omf_ even better
23:34 🔗 omf_ yay I found what I was looking for
23:38 🔗 Coderjoe mistym: I miss my shorter commute.
23:44 🔗 shaqfu http://www.ameliaabreu.com/?p=76
23:44 🔗 shaqfu I wonder if AT should change its name to "Archives, Yahoo! Inc."
23:46 🔗 mistym Coderjoe: How long's your commute now?
23:58 🔗 Coderjoe it went from ~5min to ~30min
23:59 🔗 Coderjoe and the company moved farther away from the major city, so getting to appointments and stuff added that 30 minutes to each direction

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