#archiveteam-bs 2013-01-04,Fri

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00:36 🔗 Coderjoe yay! a kickstarter package arrived todat
00:36 🔗 Coderjoe today
00:50 🔗 joepie91 http://cryto.net/~joepie91/gamestuff
00:50 🔗 joepie91 because awesome!
00:59 🔗 Aranje still suck at those games, damn
01:19 🔗 joepie91 lol
02:39 🔗 kennethre woah, boto already has connect_ia built in?
02:39 🔗 kennethre classy.
02:40 🔗 db48x heh
02:41 🔗 kennethre got to meet mitch last month, great guy
02:42 🔗 db48x what're you working on?
02:43 🔗 kennethre http://blackbox.kennethreitz.org/
02:43 🔗 kennethre https://github.com/kennethreitz/blackbox
02:45 🔗 kennethre think post-mortem persistence
02:45 🔗 db48x interesting
02:46 🔗 kennethre once it's refined and stable
02:46 🔗 kennethre i might make it into a hosted service
02:46 🔗 db48x I remember a story
02:52 🔗 kennethre trying to figure out a good strategy for archive.org replication for this
02:55 🔗 kennethre i think i got it
03:01 🔗 kennethre sweet
03:15 🔗 * joepie91 chokes
03:15 🔗 joepie91 holy crap
03:15 🔗 joepie91 kennethre: I never realized you were the author of requests
03:15 🔗 kennethre joepie91: hahaha
03:15 🔗 kennethre in the flesh :)
03:16 🔗 joepie91 heh
03:16 🔗 joepie91 it's quite nice :)
03:16 🔗 hiker1 What requests?
03:16 🔗 joepie91 hiker1: python-requests
03:16 🔗 joepie91 basically a python library to make HTTP requests sane
03:16 🔗 hiker1 I've heard of it
03:16 🔗 joepie91 because the urllib/urllib2 API is basically one giant mess that you don't want to touch with a 10 feet pole
03:16 🔗 hiker1 Are you sure he's the author?
03:16 🔗 kennethre http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/
03:16 🔗 joepie91 well, his site says so :P
03:17 🔗 kennethre hiker1: kennethre == kennethreitz
03:17 🔗 joepie91 I think it was python-resolv that I used requests for
03:17 🔗 hiker1 heh. nice to meet you as well then :)
03:18 🔗 kennethre SketchCow can attest that i'm a real person :P
03:18 🔗 * joepie91 greps
03:18 🔗 hiker1 kennethre: How did you find out Amazon Google and Mozilla are using it?
03:18 🔗 kennethre people that work there
03:18 🔗 hiker1 ah
03:19 🔗 joepie91 I'm *sure* I used requests.. but where
03:19 🔗 * joepie91 is a disaster with file management
03:19 🔗 hiker1 I know a lot of big requests fans. I always use Twisted though :X
03:20 🔗 hiker1 which many think is an insane library.
03:20 🔗 kennethre :D
03:20 🔗 kennethre twisted is a beautiful way of looking at the world, but a twisted one
03:20 🔗 kennethre the docs are what kills it for me
03:20 🔗 kennethre i love the concept though, glyph is a really bright guy
03:20 🔗 * joepie91 really dislikes twisted because of the docs issue
03:20 🔗 joepie91 that, plus it seems really bloated
03:21 🔗 joepie91 as in, syntax
03:21 🔗 kennethre very verbose
03:21 🔗 kennethre but i think it has to be for what it's trying to accomplish
03:21 🔗 joepie91 but mediocre docs is sort of a recurring theme in the python world
03:21 🔗 joepie91 well yes, but it makes it near unusable for someone that wants to write something fairly basic
03:21 🔗 hiker1 I don't know of a better non-blocking http library.
03:21 🔗 joepie91 I mean, requests can do pretty advanced stuff too, but by default it's really simple to use
03:21 🔗 joepie91 there's no "easy mode" for Twisted
03:22 🔗 hiker1 joepie91: If you use it enough, it becomes easy mode.
03:22 🔗 kennethre so tornado has a cool thing i've been meaning to play with
03:22 🔗 hiker1 I use it constantly. Even for relatively simple stuff.
03:22 🔗 kennethre twisted.gen
03:22 🔗 kennethre er
03:22 🔗 kennethre tornado.gen
03:22 🔗 joepie91 hiker1: it becomes easy, but it's still not an easy mode :P
03:22 🔗 kennethre http://www.tornadoweb.org/documentation/gen.html
03:22 🔗 kennethre i love the concept
03:22 🔗 hiker1 hah, I suppose so.
03:22 🔗 hiker1 joepie91: The few tutorials for Twisted are pretty well written though
03:23 🔗 hiker1 but the docs overall are not the best.
03:23 🔗 joepie91 kennethre: that is interesting
03:23 🔗 joepie91 hiker1; well yes, but the docs situation with twisted and tutorials etc, leads to two possible scenarios:
03:23 🔗 kennethre really has nothing to do with the rest of it
03:23 🔗 kennethre (i'm not a fan or tornado)
03:23 🔗 kennethre this little gem looks nice though
03:23 🔗 joepie91 1. you have a common usecase, in which case you'll be copypasting a pile of code without knowing what half of it does
03:23 🔗 hiker1 As I was playing with alard's warc-proxy, I noticed tornado auto reloads your server for you. That is a very nice feature.
03:23 🔗 joepie91 2. you have a non-common usecase, and without being a twisted wizard it's impossible to figure out how to do it
03:23 🔗 kennethre I'm a big flask guy
03:24 🔗 * joepie91 occasionally uses flask as well
03:24 🔗 joepie91 I have something based on flask running at http://whois.cryto.net/ :P
03:24 🔗 kennethre haha, fantastic
03:24 🔗 hiker1 joepie91: I managed to write some fairly complex Twisted code without too much contact with the wizard guild. But I read through quite a bit of source to get it done.
03:24 🔗 joepie91 using a whois parsing module I wrote
03:24 🔗 kennethre joepie91: that doesn't sound like fun
03:25 🔗 joepie91 kennethre: mmm, it's a challenge
03:25 🔗 joepie91 but there are definitely headaches
03:25 🔗 joepie91 because whois data is insanely irregular
03:25 🔗 joepie91 hiker1: right, reading through source is a disaster for me... it messes up my mental model of my own project source
03:25 🔗 joepie91 kennethre: I had far more fun writing resolv, actually
03:26 🔗 hiker1 kennethre: Do you go to any python conferences?
03:26 🔗 joepie91 http://git.cryto.net/cgit/resolv/tree/resolv?h=develop :P
03:26 🔗 kennethre hiker1: a TON
03:26 🔗 joepie91 (but it desperately needs an update)
03:26 🔗 hiker1 sounds like fun
03:26 🔗 joepie91 (basically a resolving library for URLs from video sites, filehosters, etc)
03:26 🔗 hiker1 I end up watching a bunch of the panels online
03:26 🔗 kennethre joepie91: http://kennethreitz.org/on-heroku-and-2012.html#traveling-the-world
03:27 🔗 joepie91 kennethre: hey, I see a dutch airport trolley!
03:27 🔗 kennethre Amsterdam airport
03:27 🔗 kennethre a magical place :)
03:27 🔗 kennethre the airport that is, never got to leave
03:28 🔗 joepie91 :P
03:28 🔗 joepie91 on that note, amsterdam isn't *that* amazing imo
03:28 🔗 joepie91 it's not very different from the rest of NL
03:28 🔗 kennethre the airport really is amazing
03:28 🔗 joepie91 aside from more tourist tat
03:29 🔗 joepie91 well yes, but that's schiphol
03:30 🔗 kennethre hiker1: sorry that link above was for you
03:30 🔗 kennethre hiker1: http://kennethreitz.org/on-heroku-and-2012.html#traveling-the-world
03:31 🔗 hiker1 yes. Heroku evangelist, or Python in general?
03:31 🔗 kennethre python
03:32 🔗 twitchy64 kennethre: you know inbox.py?
03:33 🔗 kennethre twitchy64: i wrote it
03:33 🔗 twitchy64 I know
03:33 🔗 twitchy64 thats why Im here
03:33 🔗 kennethre haven't touched it in a while
03:33 🔗 kennethre yeah?
03:33 🔗 twitchy64 Why on earth did you use decorators? it took me like 3 minutes to work out the interface
03:33 🔗 twitchy64 and gevent
03:33 🔗 twitchy64 why introduce dependicies for such a simple script?
03:33 🔗 joepie91 whoa, twitchy64, relax
03:34 🔗 kennethre lol i didn't realize until later that gevent wasn't neccesary with asyncore
03:34 🔗 joepie91 lol
03:34 🔗 twitchy64 joepie91: lol I am relaxed
03:34 🔗 twitchy64 you should see me when im ragin
03:34 🔗 kennethre the decorator interface is intended to be extended eventually
03:34 🔗 kennethre imagine
03:34 🔗 kennethre @inbox.collate(to='test@server.com')
03:35 🔗 kennethre idk it's a weird interface
03:35 🔗 kennethre people like it though
03:35 🔗 twitchy64 ok
03:35 🔗 twitchy64 I apologize for coming across as confrontational or agressive if I did
03:35 🔗 kennethre it's cool :)
03:35 🔗 * joepie91 is really confused... not only did the bug leading to no background music in my game engine not occur for someone, it played music that was *commented out*
03:36 🔗 twitchy64 joepie91: cache relic?
03:36 🔗 joepie91 twitchy64: this user has never loaded the game while it was not-commented-out
03:36 🔗 joepie91 so, can't be cache
03:36 🔗 joepie91 so either SM2 has grown its own brain and decided to play music instead of just preloading
03:36 🔗 joepie91 or something is going horribly wrong here
03:37 🔗 joepie91 .. on second thought, the growing its own brain thing would be horribly wrong as well.
03:38 🔗 twitchy64 kennethre: Just to give some context to my madness, I spent the morning trying to install an MTA with no success. Then I found inbox.py, and raged when I saw that its interface was incompatible with my brain. Finally, Ive settled on a similar script, which Ive modified to prevent open relays, and now all I have to do is spam filtering and sending mail!
03:39 🔗 joepie91 well... time to implement levels in my game!
03:39 🔗 kennethre twitchy64: mail is crazy, i tried to make it simple :)
03:39 🔗 twitchy64 joepie91: :D still yet to try it on a non-crap browser
03:39 🔗 kennethre twitchy64: lambson or something is so much worse
03:40 🔗 twitchy64 kennethre: Oh yes, I would have tortured the developers if they lived in my country :P
03:41 🔗 kennethre so i think all my content will exist in a single item
03:42 🔗 kennethre with the same title as my domain
03:42 🔗 kennethre ourmedia seems appropriate
03:44 🔗 twitchy64 hmmm. So this is the chat channel for the archive project for geocities?
03:48 🔗 joepie91 no
03:48 🔗 joepie91 this is an offtopic channel for archiveteam
03:48 🔗 joepie91 :p
03:48 🔗 joepie91 which *was* running a geocities save quite a while ago
03:49 🔗 kennethre and uploading....
03:49 🔗 hiker1 kennethre: http://blog.mekk.waw.pl/archives/14-Twisted-inlineCallbacks-and-deferredGenerator.html
03:50 🔗 kennethre https://ia601600.us.archive.org/23/items/blackbox.kennethreitz.org/
03:50 🔗 kennethre hiker1: interesting
03:50 🔗 kennethre I'd really like to have a nice async recommendation for requests
03:51 🔗 kennethre currently, i just recommend everyone use celery
03:51 🔗 twitchy64 ew twisted
03:51 🔗 twitchy64 ^ opionionated
03:52 🔗 hiker1 Why do so many people not like Twisted? It's a great library..
03:52 🔗 kennethre it's unapproachable
03:52 🔗 kennethre and people like to avoid writing isolated services
03:52 🔗 kennethre which is what twisted is great for
03:52 🔗 kennethre not monolithic things
03:53 🔗 hiker1 What do you mean by isolated services?
03:53 🔗 twitchy64 hiker1: its monolithic, bulky, and abstracts a great deal of information away for the coder
03:53 🔗 kennethre distributed services
03:53 🔗 twitchy64 also, Im not sure that I can control my apps memory usage if I use twisted
03:54 🔗 twitchy64 If I use a small library or roll my own, Its much more convienent and easier to manage
03:54 🔗 hiker1 kennethre: I don't understand what you mean.
03:56 🔗 kennethre BotoServerError: BotoServerError: 503 Slow Down :(
03:57 🔗 twitchy64 Hmmm
03:57 🔗 kennethre i guess uploading 5000 items in 3 minutes is a lot]
04:13 🔗 kennethre any IA admins in here?
04:18 🔗 joepie91 AH
04:19 🔗 joepie91 kennethre: I remember what I used requests for
04:19 🔗 joepie91 pytahoe :P
04:19 🔗 joepie91 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pytahoe/1.0
04:19 🔗 kennethre haha nice
04:19 🔗 kennethre that looks awesome
04:20 🔗 joepie91 idk if you're familiar with tahoe-lafs?
04:20 🔗 kennethre i am not
04:20 🔗 joepie91 look at it as encrypted network-based RAID
04:20 🔗 joepie91 it's a decentralized file store, that uses RAID-like striping for redundancy
04:20 🔗 joepie91 and encryption to protect your data
04:20 🔗 joepie91 (a storage node can be completely untrusted, it doesn't matter)
04:21 🔗 joepie91 it has a web API but it's a bit of a pain to work with it, so I'm in the process of writing a python library that abstracts it away
04:21 🔗 joepie91 some random testing code: http://git.cryto.net/cgit/pytahoe/tree/test.py
04:22 🔗 hiker1 kennethre: ever play with node.js?
04:22 🔗 kennethre hiker1: not much
04:22 🔗 kennethre i'm very familar with it
04:22 🔗 kennethre joepie91: competes with DRDB?
04:22 🔗 hiker1 As in you follow developments?
04:22 🔗 kennethre hiker1: i tolerate it :)
04:23 🔗 joepie91 kennethre: nah, tahoe-lafs lives more on a software level
04:23 🔗 kennethre gotcha
04:23 🔗 kennethre seems interesting
04:23 🔗 joepie91 the main usecase would be via the web API
04:23 🔗 joepie91 being able to mount something is just a nice addition
04:23 🔗 joepie91 and there are some design decisions that make it inherently compatible with a traditional filesystem
04:23 🔗 joepie91 so it wouldn't work as drdb does anyway :P
05:27 🔗 underscor <hiker1> underscor: but you have scholarships/grants/loans
05:27 🔗 underscor hiker1: Yeah, that knocks it down to about $40k after scholarships and grants
05:27 🔗 underscor then another $16k in loans
05:27 🔗 underscor and the rest is from working
05:27 🔗 underscor sucks xD
05:27 🔗 hiker1 expensive
05:28 🔗 underscor yeah =/
05:28 🔗 twitchy64 I have an IT scholarship :D
05:28 🔗 twitchy64 it covers everything
06:38 🔗 joepie91 http://cryto.net/destructomatch -> now with levels and targets :D
06:45 🔗 kennethre joepie91: this is pretty fun :)
06:46 🔗 joepie91 :D
06:46 🔗 joepie91 been working on this for the past few days
06:46 🔗 hiker1 What is it written in?
06:46 🔗 joepie91 made the game and the engine it runs on simultaneously
06:46 🔗 joepie91 :p
06:46 🔗 joepie91 javascript + html + css
06:46 🔗 joepie91 uses canvas
06:47 🔗 twitchy64 hmmmmm it seems sending mail is easier than I though
06:47 🔗 twitchy64 *thought
06:47 🔗 twitchy64 the hardest part was resolving MX records
06:48 🔗 kennethre twitchy64: i thought you were trying to receive emails?
06:48 🔗 twitchy64 kennethre: I was trying to both. I finished writing the code for recieving (and stopping it from open relaying), and now im writing the code for sending
06:49 🔗 twitchy64 My aim is a fully fledged MTA in less than 500 lines of code.
06:49 🔗 twitchy64 with no external dependicies
06:49 🔗 Aranje that'll be cute for about 12 minutes
06:49 🔗 twitchy64 it would work for small websites
06:49 🔗 twitchy64 just nothing fancy
06:50 🔗 twitchy64 There are a ton of optimizations in my head Im sure I can do
06:50 🔗 twitchy64 like have a queue for each domain, and send all the messages for that domain all at once
07:34 🔗 godane i'm starting to upload cnet buzz out loud
07:47 🔗 ersi I like the smell of pythontalk in the morning
07:55 🔗 kennethre i should really sleep
07:55 🔗 kennethre loljk
07:56 🔗 norbert79 Morning
07:59 🔗 ersi mornin'
07:59 🔗 twitchy64 good evening.
08:00 🔗 twitchy64 ^ #theres_always_one #yolo
08:00 🔗 ersi wololo
08:06 🔗 db48x something is wrong with my computer
08:06 🔗 hiker1 Did you try turning it off and on again?
08:07 🔗 db48x not yet
08:07 🔗 ersi Apply fire
08:07 🔗 db48x emacs has been in an infinite loop for 7 hours
08:10 🔗 db48x strace tells me nothing
08:10 🔗 ersi This seems like an interesting talk: http://strataconf.com/strata2013/public/schedule/detail/27488
08:11 🔗 ersi (Not that I'm going, but just general for seeing)
08:12 🔗 db48x that would be a good one
08:19 🔗 hiker1 db48x: try killing it
08:20 🔗 db48x yep
08:20 🔗 hiker1 that do it?
08:20 🔗 db48x the real problem is that it goes into an infinite loop whenever I run it
08:21 🔗 hiker1 Well there's your problem right there
08:21 🔗 hiker1 switch to vim, problem solved.
08:21 🔗 hiker1 I like emacs too, but the day it stops working is the day I stop using it.
08:22 🔗 ersi blargh, I hit an web.mac.com address :<
08:22 🔗 hiker1 isn't that site dead?
08:22 🔗 kennethre quite.
08:22 🔗 hiker1 Why did Apple do that?
08:22 🔗 kennethre ersi: good thing we backed it up :)
08:22 🔗 kennethre hiker1: mobileme was terrible.
08:23 🔗 kennethre hiker1: when I worked at NetApp, I got to read the architecture documents on how the whole thing worked.
08:23 🔗 kennethre hiker1: you wouldn't believe it
08:23 🔗 ersi woot, WaybackMachine had it + the pdf
08:23 🔗 kennethre worst service ever
08:23 🔗 hiker1 then they should have rewrote it and transfered the stuff
08:23 🔗 ersi http://web.archive.org/web/20091112190442/http://web.mac.com/ben_moseley/frp/frp.html
08:23 🔗 hiker1 good read
08:24 🔗 db48x I don't think the problem is emacs, actually
08:29 🔗 twitchy64 kennethre: you awake?
08:29 🔗 kennethre twitchy64: for the next five minutes :)
08:29 🔗 twitchy64 could you possibly do you me a quick favour?
08:29 🔗 twitchy64 just need to test email thingy
08:29 🔗 kennethre maybe
08:29 🔗 twitchy64 can you please send an email to <anything>@research.cryto.net
08:30 🔗 twitchy64 and let me know if you get a response
08:30 🔗 kennethre sent
08:30 🔗 twitchy64 thanks :)
08:32 🔗 ersi why would you specifically need kennethre to send a mail there? :o
08:32 🔗 kennethre PHISHING ATTACK
08:32 🔗 twitchy64 loool
08:32 🔗 kennethre twitchy64: oh i did it wrong
08:32 🔗 twitchy64 The reason is I know kennethre works on mail daemons in the past
08:33 🔗 twitchy64 kennethre: thought I had a bug there :)
08:33 🔗 kennethre really sent now
08:33 🔗 kennethre had a typo in the domain
08:33 🔗 twitchy64 its coming through now
08:33 🔗 twitchy64 did you get something back?
08:33 🔗 kennethre awesome
08:33 🔗 kennethre yep
08:33 🔗 twitchy64 SWEEEEEEEEEEET
08:33 🔗 ersi argh, why did tabbed browsing come along? *tries to clear out tabs*
08:33 🔗 kennethre Message acknowledgement
08:34 🔗 twitchy64 thankyou heaps :)
08:34 🔗 kennethre ersi: the RAM companies are behind it, i swear
08:34 🔗 ersi There's too much interesting content in the weboweb as well :(
08:34 🔗 twitchy64 ersi: all we need now is AI to come through and sort it for us
08:36 🔗 ersi think I'm gonna do a "read it later"/pocket/readability clone, which archives the content you put in it sometime
08:39 🔗 kennethre ersi: my friend is working on one
08:40 🔗 kennethre kippt.com, i'm convincing him to do full data export
08:40 🔗 kennethre it'll be awesome
08:40 🔗 kennethre also readability sucks :)
08:46 🔗 db48x heh
08:47 🔗 ersi yeah, I just meant the concept :)
08:57 🔗 twitchy64 Found the bottleneck in my MTA ... It can only send about 2 emails a minute LOLZ
08:58 🔗 ersi :D
09:18 🔗 DFJustin https://github.com/SavourySnaX/AOTMC89
09:24 🔗 ersi I've never heard of Spinn3r before. Seems pretty interesting
09:31 🔗 Sue S[h]O[r]T: are you there?
09:32 🔗 ersi He will be, later if he isn't here now :)
09:32 🔗 ersi He pops in occationally
09:33 🔗 Sue thanks
09:33 🔗 Sue i fart around here regularly, my autojoin borked
09:33 🔗 Sue i don't know his schedule though
09:33 🔗 ersi :)
09:34 🔗 Sue and now to move all my irssi windows back to their regular positions
09:35 🔗 ersi then remember to save the layout ;)
09:35 🔗 Sue and set the autojoin back up
09:35 🔗 ersi yarr
09:36 🔗 Sue the effects of not closing tmux for 4 months
09:58 🔗 ersi why the fuck does someone name a machine in all caps and with dashes
09:58 🔗 ersi looks stupid
09:58 🔗 ersi lol@BLAH01-LOC05
09:59 🔗 Sue give it a uuid for a hostname
10:00 🔗 ersi shrug
10:05 🔗 ersi https://blekko.com/webgrep
10:05 🔗 ersi cool stuff
10:18 🔗 joepie91 whee!
10:18 🔗 joepie91 http://cryto.net/destructomatch
10:18 🔗 joepie91 now with sexy animated game over screen :3
10:18 🔗 joepie91 and proper score keeping
10:23 🔗 Sue i lost the first level
10:24 🔗 joepie91 Sue: how..
10:24 🔗 joepie91 wait
10:24 🔗 joepie91 that isn't even possible lol
10:24 🔗 Sue yeah i figured that out
10:25 🔗 Sue it's got a target
10:25 🔗 joepie91 (the great thing about this game is that you can give it to someone without any instructions whatsoever, and they will figure it out :D)
10:27 🔗 ersi I don't get it
10:27 🔗 ersi what do I do?
10:27 🔗 ersi Just kidding :)
10:28 🔗 Sue oh, this is probably the best channel to ask, python or ruby (to learn)
10:28 🔗 Sue end goal is a basic status page pulling data from libvirt's api
10:31 🔗 Sue i've done neither
10:37 🔗 joepie91 urgh, libvirt
10:37 🔗 joepie91 if you ever plan on using openvz, forget libvirt
10:41 🔗 Sue nope
10:41 🔗 Sue kvm all the way
10:41 🔗 Sue anyway, what i plan on doing is writing a simple status page in some language for
10:42 🔗 Sue|hugeb this guy
10:45 🔗 Sue|hugeb ugh, Sue is having a case of the comcasts
10:46 🔗 Sue|hugeb anyway, i'll eventually expand the status page into a control panel
10:46 🔗 Sue|hugeb i plan on never ever touching solusvm again
10:50 🔗 ersi screw openvz ;p
10:50 🔗 ersi @joepie
18:11 🔗 Smiley urgh
18:11 🔗 Smiley back at docs today with my depression, and told my employeer :/
18:11 🔗 Smiley as always, scores off the scale, yet I seem to have the mindset that I can still function, where many can't
18:11 🔗 Smiley annoying this means people see it "not as bad" as someone elses
18:15 🔗 hiker1 oh
18:18 🔗 Smiley yeah :(
18:21 🔗 balrog_ :[
19:27 🔗 ersi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:0.999.../Arguments
19:27 🔗 ersi Go go idiotspedia
20:41 🔗 db48x ersi: :)
23:01 🔗 DFJustin https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_y-um1CUAAhHgW.png:large
23:18 🔗 ersi fuck yeah
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