#archiveteam-bs 2013-05-20,Mon

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Time Nickname Message
00:21 πŸ”— SketchCow ha ha
00:21 πŸ”— SketchCow Mom walks in
00:21 πŸ”— SketchCow "What are you doing"
00:21 πŸ”— SketchCow "Just punching the warrior"
00:21 πŸ”— SketchCow "Almost finished"
00:22 πŸ”— omf_ yes
02:14 πŸ”— omf_ Do any of these Hulu download applications actually work. A bunch of behind the scenes stuff is always getting removed
03:09 πŸ”— omf_ I just spent some time on Tumblr. I want to kill all of humanity now
03:09 πŸ”— omf_ No one deserves to live.
03:09 πŸ”— omf_ Some of it was stupider and worse than 4chan
03:09 πŸ”— omf_ and I didn't think that was possible.
03:10 πŸ”— omf_ and I like how raw 4chan can be. Just in your face.
03:13 πŸ”— dashcloud on tumblr, it really depends on the blog- some are definitely that bad- but others are just silly, sometimes funny, and occasionally insightful/interesting
03:13 πŸ”— pft i say we nuke the site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure.
03:18 πŸ”— SketchCow It is a fundamental lesson I like to think I've been preaching that we don't get to judge the quality of the history
03:18 πŸ”— omf_ I was just shocked because the Tumblr I had been pointed to before had insightful but mostly funny stuff
03:19 πŸ”— omf_ Two sides to the community
03:19 πŸ”— omf_ now people are tweeting all the crap parts
03:20 πŸ”— omf_ Like the devops and programmer gifs
03:20 πŸ”— omf_ the reality show gifs
03:22 πŸ”— omf_ I found those funny. The never ending political rants and stuff of the like is not my thing. Of course we save all of it, the data can provide insight into why things happen.
03:24 πŸ”— omf_ So in summary. All the feels at once http://emoticoner.com/emoticons/piece-cake
03:24 πŸ”— pft SketchCow: i will archive the history entirely regardless of quality. I will judge it, though. ;)
03:25 πŸ”— pft silently, as it scrolls by
03:33 πŸ”— BlueMax <SketchCow> It is a fundamental lesson I like to think I've been preaching that we don't get to judge the quality of the history
03:33 πŸ”— BlueMax "one man's trash is another man's treasure"
03:34 πŸ”— BlueMax also omf_ I don't think Amazon is the best Butt producer anymore http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1960086844/miniature-wargaming-flying-assault-butts
03:39 πŸ”— omf_ I burst with joy. I can now have an army of flying butts
03:39 πŸ”— omf_ BUTTS EVERYWHERE
03:39 πŸ”— omf_ I might even sign up for kickstarter for that
04:10 πŸ”— omf_ I just realized I do not check to see if downloads are done. I check to see if I have any waiting to run jobs on IA instead
04:10 πŸ”— omf_ uploads I mean
04:13 πŸ”— SketchCow http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Aatarilynxmanuals&sort=-publicdate
04:19 πŸ”— BlueMax wish I could download the Future Pinball collection from PleasureDome but I'd get my account banned
04:20 πŸ”— BlueMax actually that reminds me, did you resume PicPx SketchCow?
04:32 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, I'm unpacking it now.
04:33 πŸ”— BlueMax Nice.
04:56 πŸ”— SketchCow http://archive.org/details/ballyastrocademanuals
09:57 πŸ”— ersi http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/2013/02/cat-videos/
10:02 πŸ”— BlueMax no. no cat videos for me today
10:04 πŸ”— * Smiley managed some real sleeping
10:04 πŸ”— Smiley So hi guys, whats occuring now?
10:05 πŸ”— ersi Internets
10:05 πŸ”— Smiley saved it all?
10:06 πŸ”— Smiley Posterious is still ticking along it seems so that's good.
10:06 πŸ”— BlueMax 130,000 items left
10:06 πŸ”— BlueMax interesting
10:06 πŸ”— BlueMax also underscor is cheating again, the bastard
10:07 πŸ”— Smiley lol
10:07 πŸ”— Smiley cheating?
10:07 πŸ”— BlueMax why is there someone on the username list with the name "aidsblood"
10:08 πŸ”— ersi why not?
10:08 πŸ”— BlueMax just seems a bit weird. can't come up with a name better than aidsblood?
10:08 πŸ”— Smiley is there a better name?
10:09 πŸ”— ersi Couldn't you come up with a better name than BlueMax? :P
10:09 πŸ”— BlueMax well my full name is BlueMaxima but EFNet's nick chopper generally cuts it down to BlueMaxim
10:09 πŸ”— BlueMax and I didn't want to be known as a colored woman's magazine
10:10 πŸ”— ersi No need to have a politically correct nick name, in an ArchiveTeam project IMO
10:13 πŸ”— BlueMax well yeah, if we take your name, reverse it, reverse the s and r, and change the I to A, you'd be a right arse :P
10:14 πŸ”— BlueMax yeah that was completely unrelated but this is -bs after all
11:46 πŸ”— omf_ mother fuck
11:47 πŸ”— omf_ the s3 stats... way more errors than normal
11:47 πŸ”— omf_ both the 3 hour and 36 hour
11:47 πŸ”— omf_ Hey Smiley
11:48 πŸ”— Smiley o/
11:48 πŸ”— omf_ The channel topic
11:48 πŸ”— Smiley LOL
11:49 πŸ”— omf_ that was all SketchCow right after you left
11:49 πŸ”— SketchCow Snitch
11:49 πŸ”— omf_ he won't do anything
11:49 πŸ”— Smiley :O
11:49 πŸ”— Smiley \o/ being the topic
11:50 πŸ”— omf_ I was thinking of grabbing the last 16 years of tv broadcast data
11:52 πŸ”— omf_ All the scheduling information
11:52 πŸ”— BlueMax why the hell not?
11:52 πŸ”— Smiley grab ALL THE THINGS
11:53 πŸ”— omf_ I found one that has 1946 to 2006
11:53 πŸ”— BlueMax including SketchCow's beard!
11:56 πŸ”— omf_ Shit. I want to keep all my fingers
11:56 πŸ”— omf_ I would need a distraction
11:56 πŸ”— omf_ We could set a pile of books on fire.
11:57 πŸ”— BlueMax I'd make it a diabolical Mouse Trap style game with a hard drive dangling over lava
11:58 πŸ”— BlueMax I'd say "That is Geocities circa two days before shutdown, good luck"
12:00 πŸ”— antomatic sounds interesting, omf. (the tv schedules, that is) :)
12:00 πŸ”— omf_ It makes no sense there isn't just one huge fucking database people can access
12:00 πŸ”— omf_ I can get phone books no problem
12:01 πŸ”— omf_ and people went to court over that shit
12:01 πŸ”— BlueMax I guess it's the stuff that no-one cares about that's lost
12:01 πŸ”— BlueMax ...
12:01 πŸ”— BlueMax go me and elementary logic.
12:01 πŸ”— Smiley lol
12:02 πŸ”— omf_ Not necessarily. Like when a government changes or the pope's bullshit. There was some cover up of the important stuff
12:02 πŸ”— omf_ History is written by the victor
12:03 πŸ”— omf_ I always thought it would be interesting to see when these shows aired in context
12:04 πŸ”— omf_ So was 'Family Matters' running against news shows? Or how about Family Ties
12:04 πŸ”— BlueMax oh jesus
12:04 πŸ”— BlueMax every time I hear the name family matters or family ties
12:05 πŸ”— BlueMax I have to go watch a Retsupurae video
12:05 πŸ”— BlueMax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyQ5NHNrPeY
12:05 πŸ”— omf_ aawwww yeah
12:07 πŸ”— BlueMax thanks omf_
12:30 πŸ”— Schbirid http://www.reductress.com/agriculturalist-breeds-less-phallic-banana-popular-with-feminists/
12:41 πŸ”— Schbirid insight of the week: if you have log files in your items at IA and you dark the items, you better have saved those logs elsewhere too =)
13:04 πŸ”— Schbirid i vaguely remember being able to set a maximum directory depth when mirroring with wget (NOT recursion level depth but actual directories), any idea what i have in mind?
13:22 πŸ”— omf_ -l, --level
13:24 πŸ”— omf_ my bad
13:24 πŸ”— omf_ I was reading something else
13:29 πŸ”— omf_ hmmm include, exclude, no-parent, maybe rejlist
13:29 πŸ”— Schbirid for the filters i would need to know the structure beforehand
13:30 πŸ”— Schbirid some regexp on a number of /?.*/ might work (the ? might be at the wrong place oops)
13:30 πŸ”— omf_ I am pretty sure httrack has options for this
13:33 πŸ”— omf_ yeah httrack has a link-depth feature
13:34 πŸ”— BlueMax SketchCow's in the bloody Library of Congress?
13:34 πŸ”— BlueMax that's bloody cool.
13:34 πŸ”— BlueMax anyway, bloody gnight bloody wanks
13:40 πŸ”— GLaDOS pfft, aussie.
13:42 πŸ”— GLaDOS I love how there's all these serious talk(?) names, then there's yours, in ALL CAPS, with no definitive main topic.
13:47 πŸ”— Smiley delcious, upcoming
13:47 πŸ”— Smiley Nice one SketchCow :D
13:49 πŸ”— Smiley Man, S3 is screwed ¬_¬
13:50 πŸ”— Smiley Item newswhore28.posterous.com: Step 3 of 7 - Downloaded 460 URLs some fun sites here
16:07 πŸ”— DFJustin http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1enalw/neverwinters_economy_just_crashed_thousands_of/
16:42 πŸ”— Smiley wow ouch
16:42 πŸ”— Smiley well thats the game dead then.
16:52 πŸ”— DFJustin also if you're not following https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23presoft&src=hash you're missing out
17:17 πŸ”— DFJustin this is precious http://archive.org/stream/Katie_and_the_Computer_1979_Creative_Computing_Press#page/n0/mode/2up
17:21 πŸ”— Coderjoe hahah
17:21 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://25.media.tumblr.com/7a654946996b911b35e24c41be7a1a81/tumblr_mn15noWLxl1rwaia3o1_1280.png
17:21 πŸ”— Coderjoe tumblr under yahoo (prior to shutdown)
17:29 πŸ”— joepie91 DFJustin: what's #presoft stand for? :P
17:33 πŸ”— Schbirid pretty soft, a twitter hashtag campaign against discrimination of erectile dysfunction
17:37 πŸ”— DFJustin this https://docs.google.com/a/textfiles.com/document/d/1TX4DfLZEkUMKxTxB-VYfikBqskZ7SduPB6iEoDuMvyA/edit?pli=1
17:40 πŸ”— joepie91 o
17:40 πŸ”— joepie91 is there a livestream or recordings?
17:41 πŸ”— Coderjoe not likely
17:41 πŸ”— Coderjoe iirc
17:42 πŸ”— Coderjoe based on my attempts to find recordings or streams of other LoC archiving talks
17:42 πŸ”— joepie91 so basically, Library of Congress archiving talks are not... archived?
17:42 πŸ”— * joepie91 senses a tingle of irony
17:42 πŸ”— Coderjoe indeed
17:43 πŸ”— joepie91 I'm actually unsure whether to file said tingle under irony or hypocrisy
17:44 πŸ”— Coderjoe "Has anyone ever tried to copyright a virus?" Well, I think I have seen copyright notices in some virus source before, but I don't think they were actually registered
17:45 πŸ”— DFJustin jason usually insists on recording his own talks but the others may not be
17:46 πŸ”— Coderjoe https://twitter.com/benfinoradin/status/336525408918986753/photo/1
17:46 πŸ”— DFJustin who archives the archivists
17:46 πŸ”— Coderjoe Looks like a modified duplicator autoloader
17:46 πŸ”— joepie91 blah, who was doing the Linux ISOs again?
17:47 πŸ”— Coderjoe which is what my 3.5" floppy rip station is starting from
17:47 πŸ”— DFJustin MoFuggin Digital Ripstation
17:47 πŸ”— Smiley joepie91: omf_ is
17:48 πŸ”— joepie91 alright, thanks
17:48 πŸ”— joepie91 omf_: I just remembered that I should still have original (!) SuSE 9.1 disks laying around
17:48 πŸ”— joepie91 as in, retail box
17:48 πŸ”— joepie91 worth uploading?
17:48 πŸ”— Coderjoe I've got a 3.5" floppy autoloader from my employer's old disk duplicator setup, as they were getting rid of it. (I also have the computer that ran it as well)
17:48 πŸ”— joepie91 (the home/personal edition)
17:48 πŸ”— Coderjoe I've got some old linux CDs, sans packaging, out in storage
17:49 πŸ”— Coderjoe like some old Walnut Creek slack cds
17:49 πŸ”— * joepie91 considers self-building a rip station
17:49 πŸ”— joepie91 shouldn't be too hard
17:50 πŸ”— joepie91 could probably just throw a few parts from DX with an arduino at it or something
17:51 πŸ”— joepie91 and an old P4 box or w/e
17:51 πŸ”— Coderjoe I need to put together a rig for it that holds my digital camera over the ejection stack. I also would like to make use of a DF instead of a KF, but currently I only have the latter
17:52 πŸ”— joepie91 digital camera? to auto-grab disc label images?
17:52 πŸ”— Coderjoe yes
17:52 πŸ”— joepie91 and, "DF" = ?
17:52 πŸ”— Coderjoe DiscFerret, KryoFlux
17:52 πŸ”— joepie91 also, perhaps modifying a document feed scanner would yield better results
17:52 πŸ”— joepie91 for disc label scanning
17:53 πŸ”— joepie91 as in, it being a proper 'flat scan'
17:53 πŸ”— joepie91 you could have it drop a finished disc on a tray that is then fed through the document-feed scanner
17:53 πŸ”— joepie91 coming out onto a stack on the other end
17:54 πŸ”— balrog CDs are a pain.
17:55 πŸ”— Coderjoe indeed
17:55 πŸ”— Coderjoe the old way of doing duplication, before one of those robots that lifts a CD off a stack, was to have a mechanism like my floppy autoloader and have the CDs in caddies
17:56 πŸ”— DFJustin Coderjoe: old slack cds sound useful, slackware 3.2 is the oldest readily available version, https://archive.org/details/cdrom-ldr-0694 has 2.0 in some form
17:56 πŸ”— Coderjoe and I might even have some old slack floppies somewhere :-\
17:58 πŸ”— DFJustin people have been installing old OSes in mess lately for fun http://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=86865#Post86865
18:21 πŸ”— Baljem Coderjoe: as I recall, Brain set the volume label of infected diskettes to "(c)Brain'86" or something similar. not sure that counts as a legitimate copyright notices in places that require them though ;)
18:25 πŸ”— SketchCow I will likely record myself for a record.
18:25 πŸ”— SketchCow But yeah, they're just doing audio.
18:30 πŸ”— balrog any idea where alard is? there are about 80k posterous users that won't get archived with the current scripts
18:31 πŸ”— ersi alard probably has a life, you know.
18:32 πŸ”— Smiley he's not allowed :O
18:33 πŸ”— SketchCow He's getting shit done, relax
18:33 πŸ”— ersi Do we have a list of non-posterous-branded URLs?
18:50 πŸ”— joepie91 "It is very easy to comply with this licence: Do not sell, modify or
18:50 πŸ”— joepie91 abuse the software and don't steal code from source provided."
18:50 πŸ”— joepie91 wow.
18:51 πŸ”— joepie91 a _license_ claiming copying is stealing
18:51 πŸ”— joepie91 guess I know what to stay away from
19:04 πŸ”— godane backup this: http://www.flickr.com/groups/nutella-day/pool/
19:04 πŸ”— godane its images of nutella day
19:08 πŸ”— antomatic delicious.
19:08 πŸ”— Smiley Has someone done that yet?
19:08 πŸ”— * Smiley looks at timestamp and realises silly question.
19:08 πŸ”— Smiley Right, trying to see if I can find a linux based flickr downloader tool
19:11 πŸ”— ersi Smiley: Done what?
19:13 πŸ”— Smiley downloaded all the flickr images for nutella-day
19:14 πŸ”— Paradox29 Hey, uh, so do you guys upload stuff to archive.org, yeah?
19:14 πŸ”— Smiley yes
19:15 πŸ”— ersi Paradox29: Yeah
19:15 πŸ”— Paradox29 Alright, so a guy named chris85 from Myspleen sent me here. I gots some attack of the shows.
19:15 πŸ”— ersi ooh
19:15 πŸ”— ersi godane: ^
19:16 πŸ”— Paradox29 TrollHD uploaded caps of November & December 2012, so I'm encoding them with the EXACT same settings eclipse used...
19:16 πŸ”— Paradox29 ...plus there's some weird ass 100GB files on usenet uploaded by TrollHD, which I believe to have more. I'm not 100 percent on that.
19:25 πŸ”— DFJustin no need to re-encode for archive.org, you can upload in any format or file size
19:26 πŸ”— Coderjoe yes, the fewer transcodes the better
19:29 πŸ”— joepie91 with every transcode, quality is lost
19:29 πŸ”— joepie91 Smiley: considered looking at freerapid or jdownloader?
19:29 πŸ”— joepie91 I'd bet at least one of them can mass-download
19:30 πŸ”— joepie91 yup, freerapid lists Flickr as a working plugin
19:30 πŸ”— joepie91 http://wordrider.net/freerapid/plugins.html
19:31 πŸ”— Smiley not heard of either of em
19:32 πŸ”— joepie91 haven't heard of jdownloader? :o
19:32 πŸ”— Smiley no :D
19:32 πŸ”— joepie91 freerapid I can understand, but jdownloader is reasonably famous
19:32 πŸ”— joepie91 they're batch downloaders for things like filehosts
19:32 πŸ”— joepie91 etc
19:32 πŸ”— joepie91 throw in links, it waits for the timers, plans in downloads, breaks captchas where possible, etc
19:32 πŸ”— Smiley Nice.
19:32 πŸ”— joepie91 they also typically do video sites and so on
19:33 πŸ”— Smiley ah I never really use filehosts...
19:33 πŸ”— joepie91 sometimes there's no other choice :P
19:33 πŸ”— Smiley I'm oldskool, xdcc :P
19:33 πŸ”— joepie91 problem is that the two most complete and up to date ones are both written in Java
19:33 πŸ”— joepie91 so they're kind of bulky
19:33 πŸ”— joepie91 but they work
19:33 πŸ”— joepie91 and freerapid is slightly less resource-hungry than jdownloader, in my experience
19:33 πŸ”— joepie91 Smiley: I don't get warez and such off filehosts, but often when I'm looking for some random driver or manual or w/e, I can only find it on a filehost
19:34 πŸ”— joepie91 and often there's a lot of broken links
19:34 πŸ”— DFJustin lol freerapid dl link ironically on a filehost
19:34 πŸ”— joepie91 :p
19:34 πŸ”— joepie91 so it's a huge timesaver to just be able to throw a pile of links into a download tool, and it deduplicates everything, combines multi-part downloads into folders, and removes broken links
19:34 πŸ”— joepie91 DFJustin: haha, yes
19:35 πŸ”— joepie91 anyway, both jdownloader and freerapid are generally great, but jdownloader is a bit heavier so I prefer freerapid, usually
19:35 πŸ”— joepie91 also the interface of freerapid is slightly more simplistic
19:36 πŸ”— joepie91 it's pretty much the Abiword to the LibreOffice Writer
19:40 πŸ”— arkhive Neat stuff http://techchannel.att.com/showpage.cfm?ATT-Archives
19:41 πŸ”— godane i'm doding a 2nd grab of cscope.us pdfs in google
19:43 πŸ”— Paradox29 I'm not re-encoding them. TrollHD releases are untouched 1080i streams from the channel.
19:43 πŸ”— Paradox29 I'm encoding them once, using the channel stream as the source + deinterlacing it.
19:45 πŸ”— DFJustin 1080i streams are already encoded
19:45 πŸ”— godane hey Paradox29
19:45 πŸ”— Paradox29 They are, but they're interlaced.
19:46 πŸ”— Paradox29 godane: I guess you'd be the guy to ask, right?
19:46 πŸ”— godane yes
19:47 πŸ”— godane i'm also the guy archiving g4tv website videos
19:47 πŸ”— godane https://archive.org/details/g4video-web
19:47 πŸ”— godane 43k+ videos so far
19:47 πŸ”— Paradox29 Are you chris85 or someone else?
19:47 πŸ”— godane i'm chris85
19:48 πŸ”— Paradox29 Ah, right, cool.
19:49 πŸ”— godane i'm also saving the missing video keys from g4tv.com
19:50 πŸ”— godane bad news is g4tv stuff is gone from youtube now
19:51 πŸ”— Paradox29 So, I should have from October 26th to whenever Eclipse picked it up again using the same setting he used (under the name "Atomsk").
19:54 πŸ”— Paradox29 Are you interested in pre-July 2010, cos I could probably pull that from Usenet as well.
19:55 πŸ”— godane the pre-july 2010 episode on usenet have top and bottom removed
19:55 πŸ”— Paradox29 Ah. That's cos they're DSRips.
19:56 πŸ”— Paradox29 From the SD channel, instead of the HD feed.
19:57 πŸ”— Smiley joepie91: where did you see flickr support, as I just installed it and it's not listed in the plugins as far as I can see...
19:57 πŸ”— joepie91 Smiley: see the plugin list URL that I gave above
19:57 πŸ”— joepie91 it lists it there
19:57 πŸ”— joepie91 under flickr.com
19:57 πŸ”— Smiley herp
19:58 πŸ”— Smiley and now it just crashed altogether D:
19:58 πŸ”— joepie91 here, have some complementary derp :P
19:58 πŸ”— joepie91 oh
19:58 πŸ”— joepie91 that's not nice :(
19:58 πŸ”— joepie91 odd, it hasn't done that for me
19:58 πŸ”— joepie91 I've gotten a few errors at times, but it never actually crashed
19:58 πŸ”— joepie91 just said it did
19:59 πŸ”— Smiley "following urls not supported" D:
19:59 πŸ”— joepie91 :(
19:59 πŸ”— Smiley hmmm
19:59 πŸ”— Smiley Currently I'm not very impressed.
20:03 πŸ”— Smiley Ah I bet I know why
20:03 πŸ”— Smiley https
20:03 πŸ”— Smiley grrr java is SO slow D:
20:05 πŸ”— ivan` java startup or something else?
20:06 πŸ”— Smiley now it just says even flickr.com isn't supported o_O
20:06 πŸ”— Smiley Do I need a list of all the urls of all the images?
20:06 πŸ”— Smiley if so, pfffft it sucks
20:11 πŸ”— godane uploaded: https://archive.org/details/cscope.us-google-pdfs-grab-20130520
20:11 πŸ”— godane its bigger then my last grab
20:11 πŸ”— godane by about 8mb
20:23 πŸ”— Smiley joepie91: jdownloader workign better, doesn't look like it's grabbing the high quality images tho d:
20:24 πŸ”— joepie91 Smiley: have a look at the plugin settings
20:24 πŸ”— Smiley yup it's enabled and setup
20:24 πŸ”— Smiley I can't find a setting page for the actual plugin tho
20:24 πŸ”— joepie91 I mean to change the resolution
20:24 πŸ”— joepie91 well
20:24 πŸ”— joepie91 it should be _somewhere_
20:24 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
20:25 πŸ”— Smiley Ah there we go
20:25 πŸ”— Smiley it's starting to parse the links proeprny now
20:25 πŸ”— Smiley there is a button for settings joepie91 but it's inactive
20:28 πŸ”— Smiley 49Mb.... :/
20:44 πŸ”— ersi Java isn't all that slow. But there's a ton of shitty programs written in Java.
20:47 πŸ”— joepie91 ersi: invariably, the GUI is terribly slow in terms of responsiveness, and it uses ridiculous amounts of resources
20:47 πŸ”— joepie91 I have not seen a java application that does not have these issues
20:47 πŸ”— joepie91 and I've used quite a few :P
20:51 πŸ”— Smiley Finally
20:51 πŸ”— Smiley have to go to the page in flickr to load each image as large
20:52 πŸ”— Smiley so thats the best I'm gonna do without some better tools.
20:52 πŸ”— Smiley 290+Mb
21:00 πŸ”— Coderjoe yeah, java is a memory whore
21:03 πŸ”— Smiley no no, the photos :P
21:03 πŸ”— Smiley now it's actually downloading them :D
21:09 πŸ”— joepie91 Smiley: in what kind of timeframe do these photos have to be downloaded
21:09 πŸ”— joepie91 and do you expect to need a similar downloading tool at a later point in time?
21:09 πŸ”— joepie91 because I could have a look at writing one in approx a week
21:11 πŸ”— ersi joepie91: I've seen several who's responsive and doesn't use all that much resources. Can't come up with an example right now though.
21:11 πŸ”— ersi joepie91: But it's often wrong to fault the language for third-party applications
21:12 πŸ”— ersi There's plenty of wrong with most languages. Java is no different beast. But over-simplifying and saying "it's" slow is a bit silly. </rant>
21:12 πŸ”— joepie91 ersi: when I see literally every single application exhibiting the same issues, and these issues making sense in the context of how $language works internally...
21:12 πŸ”— joepie91 then sorry, but I'm going to assume that it's related to the language (or rather, the JVM in this case) in some way, shape or form
21:12 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
21:12 πŸ”— omf_ Java has too much boilerplate
21:13 πŸ”— joepie91 unless it's shown otherwise
21:13 πŸ”— omf_ and it is a newer language
21:13 πŸ”— ersi I'm just saying that's a stupid assumption and/or statement. But you're of course free to continue saying it's slow for the sake of it being slow.
21:14 πŸ”— joepie91 it's the most sane assumption I can make right now
21:14 πŸ”— joepie91 it's significantly less likely that every single java application has the same flaws causing the above
21:14 πŸ”— pft JIT can help a lot depending on the java application
21:14 πŸ”— joepie91 than it is likely for the JVM to be at fault
21:15 πŸ”— ersi All applications have flaws.
21:15 πŸ”— joepie91 also, note how I'm not claiming it's "slow"
21:15 πŸ”— joepie91 that was someone elses claim
21:15 πŸ”— joepie91 because I am aware that, assuming raw speed, Java can be fast
21:15 πŸ”— joepie91 I'm simply pointing out the UI and resource consumption issues
21:15 πŸ”— ersi Sure, but that's what I'm talking about. I did however note, that I've had the reverse experiance (as well as the same experiance) as you.
21:17 πŸ”— Aranje the cli java apps I wrote for school were the same speed as the C ones
21:17 πŸ”— Aranje I think maybe a hairsbreadth slower, but probably due to having to pick the jvm up off disk
21:44 πŸ”— omf_ The s3 error rate has gone down over the last hour. The IA engineers are fixing whatever it is
21:45 πŸ”— ersi Wuh-oh. Flickr expanding storage to 1TB/user
21:46 πŸ”— ersi I wonder how they're gonna get money now
21:47 πŸ”— wp494 mo' space, mo
21:47 πŸ”— wp494 mo' problems
21:47 πŸ”— wp494 damnit enter key
21:48 πŸ”— pft http://www.flickr.com/account/upgrade
21:48 πŸ”— Aranje huh.
21:48 πŸ”— pft looks like removing ads or more space
21:48 πŸ”— pft though $500/year for an additional TB seems pretty steep
21:48 πŸ”— Aranje so mayer's keeping company culture of destroying sites by acquiring them, and also trying to refresh their major properties
21:49 πŸ”— Aranje from a business perspective, she'll probably do well. doesn't make yahoo any less of a destroyer of culture
21:50 πŸ”— pft "We are thrilled to offer every Flickr member 1 Terabyte of space going forward. We are ad supported business so you will see ads on Flickr."
21:50 πŸ”— joepie91 http://www.marco.org/2013/05/20/one-person-product
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 <ersi>I wonder how they're gonna get money now
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 <ersi>Wuh-oh. Flickr expanding storage to 1TB/user
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 overselling!
21:51 πŸ”— ersi overselling free? Yeah, that'll work
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 it does, actually
21:51 πŸ”— ersi Oh, you mean plaster it with ads?
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 because by overselling free, you decrease the amount of upsells that you need to turn it profitable
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 no
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 see above
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 ads are a separate topic altogether
21:52 πŸ”— joepie91 (and I absolutely hate ads, but that aside)
21:52 πŸ”— ersi What? That doesn't make sense
21:53 πŸ”— Aranje In terms of working together, Tumblr can deploy Yahoo!Ҁ™s personalization technology and search infrastructure to help its users discover creators, bloggers, and content theyҀ™ll love. In turn, Tumblr brings 50 billion blog posts (and 75 million more arriving each day) to Yahoo!Ҁ™s media network and search experiences. The two companies will also work together to create advertising opportunities that are seamless and en
21:53 πŸ”— Aranje hance user experience.
21:53 πŸ”— Aranje there's your key paragraph
21:53 πŸ”— ersi So, they bought users to their search infra? Or what?
21:53 πŸ”— Aranje pretty much
21:54 πŸ”— Aranje and a way to push their version of facebook connect or something
21:54 πŸ”— ersi Well, I won't bash them.. They seem to be making money, even though they kill a lot of things that they touch
21:54 πŸ”— ersi But it still doesn't.. explain the overselling free @ Flickr
21:54 πŸ”— joepie91 what I'm reading in the quote from Aranje is "we want to integrate tumblr search into our main search so that it looks shinier and perhaps we can regain some users"
21:55 πŸ”— ersi I mean, they got to have had a few users before? Some of them must've got the Pro service?
21:55 πŸ”— Aranje joepie91:) that could actually make yahoo relevant again. tumblr's pretty legit in that arena
21:55 πŸ”— ersi I mean, I understand what you said, for Tumblr. Not Flickr.
21:55 πŸ”— joepie91 Aranje: if they manage to properly metadata-tag piles and piles of images, then... maybe
21:56 πŸ”— joepie91 ersi: what I mean with overselling free, is that they are not expecting free users to actually use 1TB of space
21:56 πŸ”— Aranje joepie91:) tumblr succeeded by "letting" (making) the users do it, so maybe they can use tumblr's dataset as a seed?
21:56 πŸ”— joepie91 they "promise" everyone 1TB, but nearly noone will use that
21:56 πŸ”— omf_ ersi, I think it is so people start shoving images on there just like on instagram, twitshit and the like
21:56 πŸ”— joepie91 in the meantime, it's a nice shiny carrot to attract more users, even those that care more about having a lot of space than about actually using it
21:56 πŸ”— joepie91 which means there's more chance to upsell
21:57 πŸ”— joepie91 not in terms of space, but in terms of features
21:57 πŸ”— joepie91 I am unsure if the Pro plans right now offer extra features, but I strongly doubt that space is something they'll try to earn their money off
21:57 πŸ”— Aranje hahahaha you have tons of space BUT CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT until you buy pro!
21:57 πŸ”— ersi Sure, the majority won't use it - but in terms of that scale. You'll have power users take a lot of space.
21:57 πŸ”— omf_ I never upgraded to Pro but I will use flickr more now that I have more space
21:57 πŸ”— joepie91 (which is probably also why an extra TB costs $500 - IF you actually use all your space, they want you to pay for that relatively insane usage)
21:58 πŸ”— ersi I would just sign up for another Free account. Heh.
21:58 πŸ”— joepie91 well yes, you would :P
21:58 πŸ”— joepie91 most non-very-internet-savvy people probably wouldn't
21:58 πŸ”— pft it appears they've put the kibosh on pro entirely
21:58 πŸ”— ersi And how many non-very-internet-savvy people would use 1 TB?
21:58 πŸ”— omf_ I am scaling down my accounts
21:58 πŸ”— pft if you pay now it's to remove ads
21:58 πŸ”— ersi The ones who upload RAW photos?
21:58 πŸ”— pft also my pro account that reverted to free that had > 200 pictures now has all of them visible, last week only the last 200 i uploaded were
21:58 πŸ”— joepie91 ersi: you'd be surprised
21:58 πŸ”— omf_ I used to have over 100+ logins from all the various sites combined
21:58 πŸ”— ersi joepie91: No, I wouldn't
21:59 πŸ”— omf_ I upload RAW photos ;)
21:59 πŸ”— pft does flickr even accept raws?
21:59 πŸ”— Aranje wakka wakka
21:59 πŸ”— omf_ what else are my options? Bitbucket
21:59 πŸ”— ersi pft: I think so
21:59 πŸ”— omf_ I mean photobucket
21:59 πŸ”— Aranje adbucket
21:59 πŸ”— omf_ fuck all these sites with alike names
22:00 πŸ”— pft wow, didn't realize flickr allowed raw uploads
22:01 πŸ”— Aranje hahahaha
22:01 πŸ”— Aranje tc is running no-content stories, how chic
22:01 πŸ”— Aranje wordpress gets 72k tumblr imports in an hour and it's news
22:02 πŸ”— Aranje tc reports tumblr having 52b blogs? is that posts or actual blogs
22:03 πŸ”— Aranje cause that's a lot of fucking blogs
22:03 πŸ”— pft that's a lot of "reblogged" porn
22:03 πŸ”— Aranje ohhhhh it IS posts
22:03 πŸ”— Aranje yeah
22:03 πŸ”— Aranje 75m/day, they say
22:04 πŸ”— Aranje I guess I have to appreciate the care with which tumblr saves every single suicide girl photo shoot
22:06 πŸ”— Aranje two finals down... two to go. sounds like as good a time as any to rewrite the css for my blog to be mobile->blimpscreen scalable
22:21 πŸ”— godane so why is it that only some of my videos ever have video gifs in search?
22:21 πŸ”— dashcloud someone in here mentioned liking (or at least watching) Warehouse 13- there's new episodes starting tonight
22:22 πŸ”— DFJustin godane: apparently you only get that if the video filename matches the item name
22:22 πŸ”— DFJustin which is dumb mind you
22:24 πŸ”— godane oh
22:24 πŸ”— godane explains why my click videos have it working
22:26 πŸ”— godane bbc click: https://archive.org/search.php?query=bbc%20click%20AND%20subject%3A%22tech%20show%22&sort=-publicdate
22:26 πŸ”— godane another collection
22:26 πŸ”— ersi http://aphyr.com/data/posts/286/-108.jpg
22:27 πŸ”— godane even though i think you have mpeg2 rips of it cause there is a bbc click tv program item
22:28 πŸ”— DFJustin there are a lot of dumb quirks like that on ia because they apparently have hardly any programmers
22:29 πŸ”— godane another reason to start think of making a mobile archive.org setup or something
22:30 πŸ”— godane linux distro that can act like server for local lan version of IA
22:30 πŸ”— ersi I bet they could get contributions rolling, but that'd require mentoring/"managing" the community
22:31 πŸ”— godane could be used for programers to fix things
22:31 πŸ”— godane that can then be add to back end at later date
22:36 πŸ”— Aranje I'm vibrating right now. Google's VP9 video thing is gonna be matroska{ vp9+opus}
22:36 πŸ”— Aranje so. fucking. hot.
22:54 πŸ”— omf_ ersi, they need documentation first. Most of the stuff I came up with for my programs has zero online documentation. I found it by trying things out and asking people
22:54 πŸ”— Coderjoe I need to find a decent, inexpensive, looks-like-a-floppy-drive flash reader. that is, it has the old 34-pin floppy interface, but you put in a flash card of some sort and load from it.
22:54 πŸ”— Coderjoe damn industrial-level machines that still take floppies
22:55 πŸ”— omf_ Coderjoe, I saw something like that the other day
22:55 πŸ”— omf_ I think it was an Arduino that took usb and made it into 34 pin
22:55 πŸ”— omf_ They were using it to hook old 5.25 drives to new computers
22:56 πŸ”— Coderjoe no
22:56 πŸ”— Coderjoe I want to replace the floppy drive with something that uses SD cards or something
22:56 πŸ”— omf_ that is what I am saying
22:56 πŸ”— Coderjoe in a system with no USB ports or the like
22:56 πŸ”— omf_ you use this to get a usb plug and use a usb flash reader plugged in
22:57 πŸ”— Coderjoe but it is the opposite way around from what I am looking for
22:57 πŸ”— omf_ If it goes one way, it goes the other as well. It is just an adapter
22:58 πŸ”— Coderjoe not quite
23:03 πŸ”— Coderjoe I saw some project ages ago to do what I am looking for
23:06 πŸ”— joepie91 Coderjoe: pretty sure DealExtreme sells these things
23:06 πŸ”— Coderjoe not many people have a need for this
23:07 πŸ”— joepie91 have you ever seen DX? so many things on there that not many people have a need for :P
23:07 πŸ”— joepie91 some things of which I wonder whether _anyone_ has a need for it...
23:09 πŸ”— omf_ Anyone have experience with a foldable keyboard
23:15 πŸ”— ersi omf_: You mean IA needs documentation?
23:16 πŸ”— ersi Oh, with the uploads and all?
23:17 πŸ”— omf_ They need a spec so programmers have something to work against
23:18 πŸ”— omf_ There used to be 4 mashup apis that used the Internet Archive. Now based on research I did there are no public ones
23:18 πŸ”— ersi Sure, that's included in my whole "contribution" talk thing
23:18 πŸ”— ersi But yes, that's certainly something that's needed
23:19 πŸ”— omf_ I have a theory about it. It is not a sexy enough problem. Search is sexy, apis and clis are not so much
23:19 πŸ”— omf_ photo sharing app = sexy, librarians = boring
23:19 πŸ”— closure wow at flichr announce. 1tb space..
23:20 πŸ”— closure almost worth getting an account to store "pictures" with that amt of space
23:20 πŸ”— omf_ I am going to create an account and shove all the posterous screenshots into it
23:20 πŸ”— omf_ fuck YEAH
23:20 πŸ”— omf_ lets see if that is 1tb
23:20 πŸ”— closure where picture = jpeg header + my real data ;)
23:21 πŸ”— omf_ and then I can tumblr about it
23:21 πŸ”— closure oh wow, that's the free account too
23:21 πŸ”— omf_ yes
23:21 πŸ”— joepie91 omf_: with foldable keyboard, you mean those rollable washable silicon thingies?
23:21 πŸ”— omf_ yes
23:21 πŸ”— omf_ I always wanted to try them
23:21 πŸ”— ersi Sure, that's a theory. Or maybe it's because it's such a daunting thing to get started in a project that has little documentation and a monster codebase
23:21 πŸ”— * joepie91 doesn't like them
23:21 πŸ”— joepie91 like, they work
23:21 πŸ”— ersi That's why it needs encouragement, like easing, mentoring and "managing" :p
23:21 πŸ”— joepie91 but the keys feel really squishy
23:22 πŸ”— joepie91 as expecte
23:22 πŸ”— joepie91 expected *
23:22 πŸ”— omf_ ersi, It is
23:22 πŸ”— joepie91 if you have a high quality one, it'll be 'okay' to type on, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it for heavy typing
23:22 πŸ”— ersi omf_: How in hell can you just answer "It is"?
23:22 πŸ”— ersi oh
23:22 πŸ”— ersi to daunting thing?
23:22 πŸ”— omf_ Considering I am building cli apps for IA with no documentation, I understand the problem. I already got stuff on my github
23:23 πŸ”— omf_ Managing this linux collection through the website is pain
23:23 πŸ”— omf_ I use a modified ias3upload for uploads and ia-dirdiff to run checks
23:30 πŸ”— omf_ The IA has two different json query variables but one is deprecated and works on certain admin pages while the other works uniformly across the site
23:30 πŸ”— omf_ except that search results are returned as JSONP while everything else is JSON
23:31 πŸ”— DFJustin I have one of those rollable keyboards
23:31 πŸ”— DFJustin it's cool to bust out but it's not very usable
23:32 πŸ”— omf_ Is it better than a laptop keyboard in a pinch?
23:32 πŸ”— DFJustin no
23:32 πŸ”— omf_ then I am not getting one
23:32 πŸ”— DFJustin you can type things on it (slowly) if you have a good flat surface but no action gaming
23:32 πŸ”— DFJustin if it's on your lap or something forget it
23:33 πŸ”— omf_ I would like to have a bigger keyboard when I hate to take my laptop to work things
23:33 πŸ”— omf_ and not have to carry an actual keyboard
23:33 πŸ”— DFJustin I think there are ones that are rigid but fold up
23:34 πŸ”— godane uploaded: https://archive.org/details/G4.Comic.Con.10.Live
23:36 πŸ”— DFJustin I got it to use with my tablet and you could make an argument for it there but a laptop keyboard is way better
23:38 πŸ”— omf_ Some of these folding ones look good
23:54 πŸ”— godane uploaded: https://archive.org/details/confessions.of.a.booth.babe.dsr.xvid-eclipse
23:54 πŸ”— godane i think that will get in the top ten at some point
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