#archiveteam-bs 2013-12-23,Mon

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Time	Nickname	Message
03:13 ^🔗	godane	i have clue why blackcats games is cause the 400 bad request error
03:14 ^🔗	godane	its cause of topicesread= cookie
03:14 ^🔗	godane	it gets very big
03:14 ^🔗	godane	and thing causes 400 bad request cause of it
03:21 ^🔗	godane	i still need help guys
03:21 ^🔗	godane	i need to know how to stop topicsread= cookies from getting big
03:43 ^🔗	godane	can ANY one help me with my problem?
03:43 ^🔗	godane	i know what it is but i have not clue how to stop it
03:44 ^🔗	chavezery	blackcat games is a torrent site, right?
03:46 ^🔗	kyan	godane, (assuming you're using wget) I know nothing about the architecture of wget but I think it stores cookies in a cookies.txt file, maybe (if thats where it gets them from while crawling, and doesn't just store them in memory) you could use another strypt to dynamically rewrite that file as it is updated, truncating the problematic cookie
03:47 ^🔗	kyan	just an idea, no idea if it would work
03:47 ^🔗	kyan	alternatively there might be some way to set specific cookies manually for the duration of the crawl (?)
03:49 ^🔗	ivan`	godane: launch one wget per URL and cat the WARCs together later?
03:50 ^🔗	godane	ivan`: wouldn't that cause problems?
03:51 ^🔗	yipdw	WARC concatenation is well-defined
03:51 ^🔗	yipdw	you shouldn't run into any problems doing that
03:51 ^🔗	yipdw	and if you do, then you'll just end up with a bunch of WARCs
04:00 ^🔗	godane	so now its doing the warc per a topic id
04:02 ^🔗	godane	it still grabs the pages within the topic id
06:02 ^🔗	godane	so i got the first 1000 topic ids so far
06:44 ^🔗	godane	warc-proxy really needs support for ssh
06:45 ^🔗	godane	and i mean the one to view warc with ssh urls
06:47 ^🔗	yipdw	uh
06:47 ^🔗	yipdw	SSH URLs don't actually do anything on most systems
06:47 ^🔗	yipdw	do you mean SSL?
06:47 ^🔗	yipdw	if so, HTTPS capture is a very thorny problem
06:48 ^🔗	yipdw	you're trying to do exactly what HTTPS is designed to prevent
06:48 ^🔗	yipdw	that said, odie5533 did make a WarcMITMProxy that you can try
07:43 ^🔗	godane	i'm not talking about capture
07:43 ^🔗	godane	i'm talking about warc-proxy viewer
08:22 ^🔗	joepie91	<yipdw>if so, HTTPS capture is a very thorny problem
08:22 ^🔗	joepie91	not really, when done locall
08:22 ^🔗	joepie91	SSL is designed to prevent against on-the-wire MITM
08:22 ^🔗	joepie91	not on-the-host MITM
08:23 ^🔗	joepie91	you can just generate your own root CA
08:23 ^🔗	joepie91	add that to the trusted CA store on your system
08:23 ^🔗	joepie91	and sign a fresh cert for each domain you try to access
08:23 ^🔗	yipdw	you can, and doing that is a pain in the ss
08:23 ^🔗	yipdw	ass
08:23 ^🔗	joepie91	it shouldn't be hard to automate :P
08:23 ^🔗	yipdw	it is if you're using e.g. Firefox
08:23 ^🔗	joepie91	?
08:23 ^🔗	yipdw	which has its own trust store
08:23 ^🔗	yipdw	the same applies to other applications
08:23 ^🔗	joepie91	afaik there's a flag to make Firefox use the system store
08:23 ^🔗	yipdw	what flag is that
08:24 ^🔗	joepie91	no idea, but I've run across a mention of it once
08:24 ^🔗	joepie91	not sure if it ever made it into stable
08:24 ^🔗	yipdw	well, then you need to make the appropriate profile modifications to automate it
08:24 ^🔗	yipdw	but that's what I'm getting at :P
08:24 ^🔗	yipdw	it's a pain in the ass
08:24 ^🔗	yipdw	thorny
08:24 ^🔗	joepie91	meh
08:24 ^🔗	joepie91	it's a solve-once problem
08:24 ^🔗	joepie91	for me, all solve-once problems are in the category "meh, doable"
08:25 ^🔗	joepie91	:P
08:25 ^🔗	joepie91	can still require a bunch of time
08:25 ^🔗	joepie91	but they're never quite as frustrating or tricky as host-specific issues
08:25 ^🔗	yipdw	other solve-once problems include fixing the fundamental problem with CAs
08:25 ^🔗	yipdw	just saying :P
08:25 ^🔗	joepie91	not quite, actually
08:25 ^🔗	joepie91	the problem with the CA trust model (and a replacement for it), is one of varying environments
08:26 ^🔗	joepie91	tech-savvy users, non-tech-savvy users
08:26 ^🔗	joepie91	different platforms that deal with SSL differently
08:26 ^🔗	joepie91	and so on
08:26 ^🔗	joepie91	there are far more variables
08:26 ^🔗	yipdw	sure, but you can fix those by just throwing away SSL and replacing it with something else
08:26 ^🔗	yipdw	say, CurveCP and some unknown key distribution authority
08:27 ^🔗	yipdw	find the right solution to the unknown and you're fine :P
08:27 ^🔗	joepie91	unrelated, chinese download store has been removed from evasion jailbreak
08:27 ^🔗	joepie91	we haz a copy
08:27 ^🔗	joepie91	and no
08:27 ^🔗	joepie91	<yipdw>say, CurveCP and some unknown key distribution authority
08:27 ^🔗	joepie91	the "key distribution authority" is the problem, not the solution
08:28 ^🔗	yipdw	yeah, so solve that :P
08:29 ^🔗	yipdw	that aside
08:31 ^🔗	godane	i'm past the first 3000 showtopic ids of blackcat-games
08:32 ^🔗	godane	even though i couldn't view the warc
08:32 ^🔗	godane	warc-proxy was able to read the 1-to-1000 showtopic warc i made with my 1000 warcs cat together
08:33 ^🔗	godane	also i'm making sure to make a zip file of the 1000 warcs so we have the originals just in case there need
08:34 ^🔗	godane	i did have to change my accept regex to have the showtopic=${i} in to
08:34 ^🔗	godane	*in it
08:34 ^🔗	godane	that way i was not grabbing showtopic 59 cause 1002 had a link to one of the pages
08:35 ^🔗	godane	;-)
09:27 ^🔗	arkiver	uploading all the torrents from http://vodo.net/ to the archive now...
09:27 ^🔗	arkiver	:)
10:06 ^🔗	BlueMax	wow the latest TVTropes backup is a bit old, september 2012
13:43 ^🔗	m1das	how i love ZFS's dedup and hate it at the same time
13:43 ^🔗	m1das	load average: 1.76, 0.62, 0.26
13:43 ^🔗	m1das	zing, there goes the cpu
15:31 ^🔗	Schbirid	is there a anonymous html paste site?
15:32 ^🔗	chavezery	anonymoushtml.com used to be a thing
15:33 ^🔗	chavezery	if you're desperate there's dinkypage.com but i don't think it's really anonymous
15:33 ^🔗	Schbirid	thanks
15:33 ^🔗	joepie91	wow, christmas-themed spam
15:33 ^🔗	joepie91	that's new
15:33 ^🔗	joepie91	CC spam, even
15:34 ^🔗	chavezery	*anonhtml.com, durr
15:35 ^🔗	Schbirid	joepie91: make your christmas tree $$$prinkle like when you were young
15:35 ^🔗	joepie91	lol
15:35 ^🔗	joepie91	also
15:35 ^🔗	joepie91	BÃÂN CVV CÃÂN TÃ¡Â»ÂT HACKER BIG CC VERY GOOD (id72763)
15:35 ^🔗	joepie91	cute
15:36 ^🔗	joepie91	shame how he didn't list contact details
15:36 ^🔗	joepie91	idiot
15:36 ^🔗	joepie91	lol
15:37 ^🔗	Schbirid	bah, dinky removes linebreaks
15:37 ^🔗	Schbirid	the other is not a paste page
15:40 ^🔗	Schbirid	nvm
15:42 ^🔗	chavezery	it used to be a paste page :\|
15:43 ^🔗	chavezery	what's a linebreak? <br/> ?
15:44 ^🔗	DFJustin	merry christmas https://archive.org/details/swizzle_demu_FIRE
15:45 ^🔗	joepie91	FIRE.ZIP
15:45 ^🔗	joepie91	reminds me of http://www.buzzhunt.co.uk/wp-content/2011/02/bus.jpg
15:48 ^🔗	joepie91	please tell me how anybody uses jdownloader without going batshit insane
15:48 ^🔗	joepie91	literally everything I click does something different from what I intended
15:49 ^🔗	joepie91	or doesn't work at all
15:49 ^🔗	joepie91	or makes shit randomly jump around the screen/window
15:49 ^🔗	joepie91	wtf
15:50 ^🔗	chavezery	lol
15:50 ^🔗	chavezery	i installed jdownloader, saw the ui
15:50 ^🔗	chavezery	nope.jpg
15:52 ^🔗	Schbirid	:)
15:52 ^🔗	Schbirid	i use it for some years
15:52 ^🔗	Schbirid	but rarely
15:52 ^🔗	joepie91	the graphical bits aren't even bad
15:52 ^🔗	joepie91	it's just the way everything behaves
15:53 ^🔗	joepie91	that is absolutely over-the-top batshit madman insane
15:53 ^🔗	joepie91	so after this download, it's back to FreeRapid for me
15:53 ^🔗	Schbirid	we say gnomeshit nowadays
15:53 ^🔗	joepie91	doesn't look as pretty
15:53 ^🔗	Schbirid	bats are cool
15:53 ^🔗	joepie91	but at least it fucking works
15:53 ^🔗	joepie91	as I intend
15:53 ^🔗	Schbirid	hm, any specific problems?
15:53 ^🔗	chavezery	really? the ui for it looks so ridiculous to me
15:54 ^🔗	Schbirid	i dont have problems
15:54 ^🔗	joepie91	chavezery: http://owely.com/0u9ZYg
15:54 ^🔗	joepie91	looks relatively sane to me
15:54 ^🔗	chavezery	when the loading splash image comes up i can tell it's made in java
15:54 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: with JDownloader? where do you want me to start?
15:55 ^🔗	Schbirid	at what you are trying to do maybe
15:55 ^🔗	joepie91	with how the window dragging is entirely off and it moves at 3-4 times (exponentially increasing) the speed of my mouse cursor?
15:55 ^🔗	joepie91	making it impossible to properly position it?
15:55 ^🔗	joepie91	or how it asks you to install updates and then abruptly quits without warning you, aborting your downloads?
15:55 ^🔗	joepie91	or how captcha windows -steal focus- unexpectedly?
15:56 ^🔗	joepie91	or how it keeps trying every 10 minutes despite having told it to stop?
15:56 ^🔗	Schbirid	no window movement problems here, check your wm, graphics drivers etc
15:56 ^🔗	joepie91	(and throws captchas every 10 minutes)
15:56 ^🔗	Schbirid	updates -> quitting is stupid, yeah
15:56 ^🔗	Schbirid	captchas dont steal on xfce (with no focus to new windows) for me
15:56 ^🔗	Schbirid	dunno about checking, stopping worked fine for me
15:57 ^🔗	joepie91	or how it stacks modals, so that the bottom one is a 20s timer "do you want to accept the TOS? no response = abbrt", and the top window is a modal with 4 paragraphs about how I should get a premium account and how it won't let me focus on the timer window?
15:57 ^🔗	joepie91	thus making me decide about the 4 paragraphs in 20 seconds OR have it auto-abort a download?
15:57 ^🔗	joepie91	using up a download ticket?
15:57 ^🔗	joepie91	or how I copy URLs from the existing jobs properties
15:57 ^🔗	joepie91	to paste into freerapid
15:57 ^🔗	joepie91	and the fucking linkchecker switches tabs to readd them
15:57 ^🔗	joepie91	EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE LIST
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	making it impossible for me to copypaste multiple links without constantly having to switch back to the job tab?
15:58 ^🔗	Schbirid	you can toggle tos acception in the options
15:58 ^🔗	Schbirid	never used paid downloads
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	and that's only a few off the top of my head
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: this is _default behaviour_
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	and the problem isn't with the TOs
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	TOS *
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	the problem is with stack focus-stealing fucking modals
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	that is an absolute no-no in UX design
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	for exactly this reason
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	ESPECIALLY when with a timer
15:58 ^🔗	joepie91	that takes some undesired auto action
15:59 ^🔗	joepie91	v
15:59 ^🔗	joepie91	<Schbirid>no window movement problems here, check your wm, graphics drivers etc *
15:59 ^🔗	Schbirid	sorry, are you ranting about jdownloader or freerapid?
15:59 ^🔗	joepie91	only JDownloader has this issue
15:59 ^🔗	joepie91	JDownloader
15:59 ^🔗	joepie91	that's what my entire rant has been about
15:59 ^🔗	joepie91	all this is ridiculous jdownloader behaviour
15:59 ^🔗	joepie91	I get hit with all of it in my face within 10 minutes of starting the program
15:59 ^🔗	joepie91	if this isn't bad UX design, I don't know what is
15:59 ^🔗	Schbirid	you should try the fedora installer to cool you off
16:00 ^🔗	joepie91	no thank you
16:00 ^🔗	joepie91	the rest of Fedora is awful, I don't expect the installer to be any better
16:00 ^🔗	Schbirid	no focus issues here at all
16:00 ^🔗	*	joepie91 is so tired of poorly designed softwarte
16:00 ^🔗	joepie91	software *
16:01 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: there are only two pieces of software that cause this behaviour on my machine
16:01 ^🔗	joepie91	JDownloader and Tixati
16:01 ^🔗	Schbirid	<joepie91> and the fucking linkchecker switches tabs to readd them <- you mean the clipboard monitor? i disabled that right away
16:01 ^🔗	joepie91	Tixati is acceptable because it only happens for new torrents
16:01 ^🔗	joepie91	and it's predcitable
16:01 ^🔗	joepie91	JDownloader does it out of fucking nowhere
16:01 ^🔗	joepie91	after a 10 minute countdown
16:01 ^🔗	joepie91	and yes, I have "disable focus stealing" turned on
16:01 ^🔗	joepie91	but JDownloader blatantly ignores that
16:02 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: again, default behaviour
16:02 ^🔗	joepie91	I don't care if you can configure X or Y
16:02 ^🔗	joepie91	I use jdownloader to NOT have to fuck around with a bunch of settings and services and whatever
16:02 ^🔗	joepie91	having to configure it before it has usable UX defeats the entire point of using it in the first place
16:02 ^🔗	Schbirid	maybe you are not the target user for the default config
16:02 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: please tell me who appreciate focus-stealing, stacked modals, and broken window moving
16:03 ^🔗	joepie91	with auto-aborting timers that you can't get to
16:03 ^🔗	Schbirid	you should take a walk
16:03 ^🔗	joepie91	as well as readding duplicate links that you already have
16:03 ^🔗	joepie91	no
16:03 ^🔗	joepie91	I just get tired of people trying to justify shitty software
16:03 ^🔗	joepie91	JDownloader UX is badly designed, end of story
16:03 ^🔗	joepie91	this isn't a "target group" issue
16:03 ^🔗	joepie91	this is entirely unacceptable UX behaviour
16:03 ^🔗	Schbirid	file a bug report, submit a ux doc
16:03 ^🔗	joepie91	sure, and end up in a stupid discussion with people who deny there is a problem
16:04 ^🔗	joepie91	for weeks
16:04 ^🔗	joepie91	on end
16:04 ^🔗	joepie91	and having to attend to yet another thing
16:04 ^🔗	Schbirid	fyi, the linkgrabber recognises downloads you already have
16:04 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: sure, it says "already in list"
16:04 ^🔗	joepie91	that doesn't keep it from auto-switching to the goddamn tab
16:05 ^🔗	*	Schbirid shrugs very loudly
16:05 ^🔗	chavezery	wat
16:05 ^🔗	Schbirid	(i get your frustration, i really do, but you are blowing things out of proportion because you are angry)
16:06 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: go figure, how bad it must be that I rant about it this badly
16:06 ^🔗	Schbirid	you should really try the fedora installer in vbox, it is so user hating it is hilarious
16:06 ^🔗	joepie91	because I -was- in a good mood
16:06 ^🔗	joepie91	before JDownloader decided to fuck up my day
16:07 ^🔗	joepie91	oooo, and I almost forgot this one
16:08 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid, explain this: http://owely.com/7NV7yx
16:08 ^🔗	Schbirid	i can't but it looks like an issue with your system
16:09 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: I'm sure that's why a friend of mine had the same issue on his
16:09 ^🔗	joepie91	and it's why that issue only exists for as long as JDownloader is running
16:09 ^🔗	joepie91	newsflash: these aren't "system issues"
16:09 ^🔗	joepie91	they ONLY occur when jdownloader is running
16:09 ^🔗	joepie91	just like the dragging issue
16:09 ^🔗	joepie91	ONLY happens for jdownloader
16:09 ^🔗	Schbirid	honestly, bug report that
16:10 ^🔗	Schbirid	or decide not to care
16:10 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: it's honestly not worth my time to write up a fancy and polite bug report
16:10 ^🔗	joepie91	and it would probably be unwise to copypaste the conversation here into a bug ticket
16:10 ^🔗	Schbirid	you ranted for 20 minutes here, surely you could have written a ticket instead :P
16:10 ^🔗	joepie91	there's so much wrong with JDownloader, I'm just going to wait for this download to finish
16:10 ^🔗	joepie91	...
16:10 ^🔗	joepie91	Schbirid: okay
16:10 ^🔗	Schbirid	(god, i hate bug trackers... especially when they require an account)
16:10 ^🔗	joepie91	two things
16:11 ^🔗	joepie91	1. I am venting here
16:11 ^🔗	joepie91	I cannot vent in a ticket
16:11 ^🔗	joepie91	if I wrote a ticket, I would still be venting here
16:11 ^🔗	joepie91	writing a ticket does not save me time
16:11 ^🔗	joepie91	2. do you think I can write a nicely worded bugticket when I'm this frustrated?
16:19 ^🔗	DFJustin	honestly people who are brain dead enough to write software like that are not going to suddenly become clueful just because they get a bug report
19:58 ^🔗	chavezery	i've finally found the creator of the interwebs
19:58 ^🔗	chavezery	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCqQ-MyZXRA
20:01 ^🔗	xmc	wtf am I watching
20:02 ^🔗	chavezery	i'll be honest
20:02 ^🔗	chavezery	i'm not sure
20:02 ^🔗	chavezery	i found it in a cringe thread on /b/
20:03 ^🔗	xmc	I think it was unnecessary for you to post it in here, then
20:03 ^🔗	xmc	please make a note of it
20:03 ^🔗	chavezery	k
20:49 ^🔗	Schbirid	nico_32_: any chance you could bring a plextor drive to 30c3? i have a rare cd for a limited time and my drives are not sufficient for a redump quality dump
20:54 ^🔗	Schbirid	http://toadking.com/retroarch/index.html
20:54 ^🔗	Schbirid	(not what you expect)
21:17 ^🔗	Baljem	obviously this system-emulation-in-browser idea is so utterly dreadful that now loads of people are doing it ;)
21:24 ^🔗	xmc	heh
21:34 ^🔗	ersi	hehe, reading joe pies rants can be amusing
21:35 ^🔗	touya	what's he ranting about now?
21:36 ^🔗	ersi	nothing now
21:36 ^🔗	ersi	I meant the earlier one
21:36 ^🔗	touya	we used to fear JRODs .. a bad DoS on any irc channel
21:36 ^🔗	touya	joepie-rant-of-death
21:36 ^🔗	ersi	thanks for hilighting him :p
21:37 ^🔗	touya	haha
21:37 ^🔗	touya	i think he's afk
23:06 ^🔗	xmc	joepie91: rant-of-death
23:06 ^🔗	xmc	there
23:13 ^🔗	chavezery	i wonder if he's less mad about jdownloader now

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