[01:52] yipdw: Microsoft; delivering questionable naive implementations since somewhere in the 80s or something! [01:52] questionably * [01:53] joepie91_: yeah, Exchange is very much set up to push IMAP to the back of the bus [01:54] I suspect my old workplace doesn't even have the IMAP connector on anymore due to "support issues" [02:10] even if you do have Exchange+Outlook, a recall is not guaranteed to succeed, and these days, is much more likely to fail totally, or deliver a replacement in addition to the original email [02:45] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/saving-old-software-from-extinction-in-the-age-of-cloud-computing/ [02:50] SN4T14 Arch is for hipsters [02:51] Slackware is all you need [02:51] Ravenloft, +1 [02:52] I'm not going to start the 2nd distro war. :p [02:52] :D [02:55] heh, 11 comments on that Ars Technica article before someone says "we don't need to care about preservation" [02:55] IT'S A NEW RECORD [02:55] HIGH SCORE [03:08] joepie91 the pride thing is as in oppose to be ashamed [03:08] relevant http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/undercover-gay-conversion-camp/ [03:08] Ravenloft, it's weird to say "I'm PROUD of being autistic!" though [03:09] No one is proud about their mental issues [03:14] [00:08] joepie91 the pride thing is as in oppose to be ashamed [03:14] replace joepie91 with SN4T14 [03:15] They're not black and white, though [03:15] Like I said, no one is proud of their mental issues [03:15] You can accept them [03:15] But pride is the wrong word [03:16] this sounds like a fun discussion [03:16] * exmic popcorn.gif [03:16] proud = not ashamed [03:17] Ravenloft, you literally just said that, and I just said why that isn't the case [03:18] its not rare to word to have more than one meaning, you know [03:18] and their meaning even change with time [03:18] *words [03:18] So now proud = accept? [03:18] no, proud = not ashamed [03:19] But you just claimed that it's meaning can change [03:19] yeah, so? [03:19] Does that mean "your" and "you're" are interchangeable, because people do that? No. [03:19] thats a different thing [03:20] gay is one of the greatest examples [03:20] Oh, how so? Like you said, the meaning of words changes [03:22] meaning of the words != grammar [03:23] So "your" can't start to mean "you are", although people use it like that, but "pride" can start meaning "acceptance of" because people use it like that? [03:23] what the word gay means to you? [03:26] Homosexual, but like you said "that's different" because it's definition slowly shifted, and a widely accepted, short word for homosexuality did not exist at the time [03:27] But with "pride" and "acceptance", you only have to deal with a WHOLE two syllables, so no shortand is needed [03:28] Just because a word is abused doesn't mean everyone should accept the abuse [03:32] this sense of the word pride is now anything new [03:32] well, its new to you [03:33] *this sense of the word pride is not anything new [03:34] its not an abuse of the word, its one of meanings of it [03:36] https://www.google.com/search?q=pride+definition [03:36] It's *not* one of the meanings of it [03:36] It's an abuse of it [03:37] "he swallowed his pride and asked for help" [03:37] "their triumphs were a source of pride" [03:37] antonyms: shame [03:37] synonyms: self-esteem, dignity, honor, self-respect, self-worth, self-regard, pride in oneself More [03:37] the consciousness of one's own dignity. [03:37] so, what are you saying? [03:37] *were [03:38] You just copied 4, unrelated lines straight from that, are you trying to win the argument purely by confusing me? [03:38] ah, I guess you didnt click the arrow thing that expand it [03:38] Haha, passive-agressiveness, lovely [03:39] confusing? its the link that _you_ cited [03:39] And *word twisting* as well, you sure are good at arguing [03:40] Well, that's less word twisting and more ignoring what I said [03:40] no, its not me, in this particular discussion, the arguments are good [03:40] Are you a kid, or do you just not understand how arguments work? [03:41] explain to me [03:41] as if I was a kid [03:42] ...Is that the end of your sentence, or are you just a slow typer? [03:43] I am waiting your explanation of how arguments work [03:44] You're usually supposed to finish your sentences and answer questions before waiting. [03:44] what sentence I didnt finished? [03:44] " explain to me as if I was a kid" [03:44] explain to me [03:44] its a full sentence [03:44] imperative [03:45] as if I was a kid, another full sentece, related to the one before [03:45] Explain to me. As if I was a kid. [03:45] better now? [03:46] "explain to me" does not specify what you want to explain, and since you never use dots or commas at the end of your sentences, that could've been "explain to me, as if I was a kid, [more stuff to follow]" [03:46] [00:40] Are you a kid, or do you just not understand how arguments work? [03:46] [00:41] explain to me [03:47] you asked me if I dont understand how arguments work, what on the world I could be asking you to explain? [03:47] Is English not your first language? [03:47] And, like I said, and asked (which you totally ignored), I wasn't sure if your sentence was finished [03:48] ok, lets go back to the start [03:49] ...Is that the end of your sentence, or are you just a slow typer? [03:55] * closure requests either a vi vs emacs debate, or a "it[']s" debate for tomorrow night. [03:56] closure, silly you, emacs is just a running joke, no one *actually* uses it. :p [03:57] pride, as used in "gay pride" or "autistic pride day", is a perfectly correct use of the word, not as a synonyms of pleasure, joy, delight, or a sense of achievement, but as the consciousness of one's own dignity, a synonym of self-esteem, dignity, honor, self-respect, self-worth, and an antonym of shame [03:58] and answering your question, no, I am not a slow typer [03:58] It took you 10 minutes to write that, really? [03:58] Also I love how you say "dignity" is a synonym of "dignity" [03:59] yeah, its called thinking [03:59] in this case, thinking the best way to explain something that I already explained [04:00] You never explained that, except for your cryptic replies, which you did not clarify when I requested [04:00] ok, an its debate it's then. [04:00] And jumping from synonym to synonym does not work, because, like you said, words have multiple meanings [04:00] its in the link that _you_ used as evidence [04:01] Ravenloft, again, ignoring my request that you clarify, in which I explained exactly what was confusing me [04:01] what else I need to clarify? [04:02] Right now, nothing, it's clear as day that your stance on this matter is "I'm right" instead of "I believe I'm right" and because of that, I really don't care, since my words won't affect your stance. [04:03] sorry, I composed the best explanation that I can, I think its a clear and conscise explanation, even for people with poor reading comprehension [04:03] Yay, a passive-agressive sign off, your frustration is showing. [04:04] yeah, its frustrating [04:05] and I as already said, its not a case of "me" being right, I am just explaining to you something, and you cant/dont want to understand [04:06] Yay, *another* passive-agressive sign off, your frustration keeps showing, and it's quite obvious that your self-doubt is causing some of it [04:11] self-doubt? [04:11] care to elaborate? [04:11] Not really, I have better things to do than to argue with a brick wal [04:11] wall* [04:15] as in stonewall? a major point in the gay pride history, indeed [04:15] you guys are still at this? [04:15] really? [04:17] exmic, this is the -bs channel, what's with the negativity? [04:17] exmic I'm done, its all yours [04:18] SN4T14: mostly it's that "wall of two people being angry at each other" isn't the purpose of -bs [04:19] exmic, I thought the purpose of -bs was "anything not related to ArchiveTeam, but you want to discuss" [04:19] One thing led to another, and then that [04:19] What's the point of -bs if you're not okay with random discussion? [04:19] * Ravenloft popcorn.gif [04:20] I'm not condemning your conversation [04:20] simply remarking on its tedium [04:20] In a pretty hostile way [04:20] fair enough [04:21] Thanks for understanding, it just felt kind of like a "STFU or GTFO" message. :p [04:22] not everyone in the world is out to get you [04:22] I really should try to start thinking that way. :/ [04:22] Kind of hard when for the past 9 years of your life, that was actually true. :/ [04:23] * Ravenloft whispers to exmic: just dont [04:23] [01:22] I really should try to start thinking [04:23] Ravenloft, I've had enough of your shit, go fuck yourself [04:23] man I was wondering if you would keep arguing with me even if I just agreed with you over and over [04:23] SN4T14: your frustration is showing [04:24] Ravenloft, SN4T14: go get a beer and sit on your respective front porches [04:24] yes sir [04:24] thank you [04:24] Okay, this is ridiculous, three insults directed at me within a minute, one of them from an op of the channel [04:25] but none from your mom, yet :) [04:25] Mature. [04:25] Can it, SN4T14. [04:25] Yay, more hostility [04:26] * Atluxity cans it [04:26] Atluxity yes, you can [04:26] I know your type, exmic, you're going to keep poking me until you feel like you can justify banning me [04:27] if you're still arguing with people in an hour I'll ban you [04:27] I'm going to leave until then [04:27] is that fair? [04:27] No, I'll be asleep at that point, and threats of banning for bullshit-type discussions in the -bs channel is not exactly fair [04:28] Speaking of sleep, I'm going to go to sleep [04:28] ok [04:28] goodnight then [04:30] SN4T14 sorry if I upset you, it was not my intend. From my end, you are a bad troll, a very good troll, or is being really sincere, and having this last possibility even a small chance of being the correct, I sincerely dont want to feed any negative feelings. [04:33] http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/28h3qp/1200lbs_of_nintendo_ds_3ds_games/ [04:34] their "only value is in the gold scrap" [04:36] probably right about the allegedly 75% iCarly 2 [04:36] probably not about the rest [05:41] yay, ipv6 [05:43] god that's longer than most people's dicks [05:43] lol [05:43] It's just the dhcpv6-pd address from time warner that I get [07:21] no :: parts for underscor's isp [07:21] haha [07:21] * exmic sucks down another weird ftp site [07:21] I mean, I could custom do something in 2604:6000:1003:c160::/64 [07:21] but that's just the default eui-64 windows is doing [10:07] stop fucking crashing on me s3. [10:12] exmic: you should join #effteepee :) [11:06] midas: I'm getting error 500 all the time from S3 [11:12] S3 @ archive.org or aws? [13:35] most my cbsnews stuff that i was uploading failed on me [13:35] going to be reuploading that today [13:35] anyone else getting weird unzip warnings with the NYC taxi data? eg 8589934592 extra bytes at beginning or within zipfile [13:35] That sucks. [13:37] please dont fail on me now s3 [13:37] uploading 40GB [13:43] some of the trip data ones did not extract at all :( [13:54] i just remember something [13:54] i think the government knows that i'm godane [13:55] cause of that one mailed package using my username [13:55] i am pretty sure they would have zero trouble knowing who everyone in this channel is [13:56] i know [13:56] True facts, sadly. [13:57] i just hope they don't go after me like a terrorist: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/30/ahmed-abdi-godane-is-al-shabab-s-osama-bin-laden.html [14:00] "arab hacker caught spying on our media history" [14:05] i use to be in the top 10 google searches with my username [14:05] now its about that guy [14:06] also in 2007 it was Japanese handbags that was using the name godane [14:23] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/28js8v/i_am_julian_assange_publisher_of_wikileaks_ask_me/ [15:38] * joepie91_ pokes midas, JohnnyJac, SN4T14 [15:38] Migrated. [15:38] :P [15:39] im always here [15:40] but yeah [15:40] midas: Kiosk [15:40] was the place where I worked (obviously) [15:41] i'm have fun with IA [15:41] old Kiosk 'model' also had 'Snack Kiosk' things, which was the snackbars [15:41] and 'Reizigerskiosk' which were basically Kiosks except more like a small supermarket [15:41] it will some times uploads and other times now [15:41] *not [15:41] we had all 3 types in Gouda, where I worked [15:41] Oh hi! [15:41] ohai SN4T14 :P [15:41] we have plenty of railways here [15:41] too damn many [15:41] and there's basically one single company who runs 90% of the stores/things at railway stations throughout the country [15:42] which used to be called Servex but was actually just a daughter company of the (privatized) railways [15:42] lol [15:42] again, you were cold, why didnt you just set fire to the kiosk [15:42] it's kinda weird really [15:42] nowadays is AH to go [15:42] i think [15:42] midas: what about it? [15:42] isnt it called AH to go now? [15:42] I think the reizigerskiosk in Gouda was changed to a regular kiosk [15:42] AH to go is a different 'formula' [15:42] also servex [15:43] but not the same as reizigerskiosk [15:43] they co-existed for some time [15:43] nope AH to go isnt servex [15:43] i know this for sure [15:43] yes it is [15:43] nope it isnt [15:43] they're a franchiseholder [15:43] at least they /were/ [15:43] is not [15:43] i used to work for Ahold [15:43] midas: dude, ah to go was literally in the employee help system :P [15:43] at kiosk [15:43] they use the same system servex-wide [15:43] it absolutely was franchised by servex at that point [15:43] except for like 2 locations [15:43] we build the narrowcasting system for every AH in the netherlands/europe [15:43] germany and belgium :p [15:44] midas: that doesn't mean that Servex wasn't a franchiseholder [15:44] franchiseholder or not, they'll still have to run the AH formula [15:44] including narrowcasting [15:44] (btw, shitty system, all shops are connected using a very slow mpls connection to germany) [15:45] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS_Stations_Retailbedrijf#AH_to_go [15:45] Oh, Gouda's a place, *not* a kind of cheese, in this context... >.> [15:45] there you go [15:45] franchiseholder, indirectly, of Ahold [15:45] SN4T14: correct, the place where the cheese comes from to be specific [15:45] anyway, we have a weird system here - there's NS Vastgoed (NS Real Estate, literally) who owns the railway stations [15:45] which are used by ProRail who maintain the rail network and are/were a part of NS [15:46] and timeslots rented from ProRail by NS Reizigers [15:46] SN4T14, I thought the same... [15:46] then the real estate on the stations is rented by NS Retailbedrijf [15:46] which is ALSO a part of NS [15:46] /from/ NS vastgoed [15:46] so basically you have 3 levels of NS daughter companies all renting shit from each other [15:46] it makes absolutely no goddamn sense :P [15:47] tl;dr they own the entire railways and everything around it [15:47] and also state property for X percent [15:47] midas: yes, but state is just stockholder [15:47] yeah [15:47] it's privatized, so that doesn't count for much [15:47] with a backdoor to buy it all back again or that might have expired just a couple of months ago [15:48] midas: perhaps they should've done so >.> [15:48] then again, they /definitely/ should've done so for PostNL [15:48] because what a goddamn mess that has become, jesus [15:48] better idea is to remove the tracks and make it a highway [15:48] :p [15:48] no, it's not [15:48] SARCASM joepie91_ SARCASM [15:48] you need a sarcasm symbol [15:49] http://www.sarcmark.com/ [15:49] there you go [15:49] should archive that btw [15:49] yay [15:50] Good idea. [15:50] Just use /s like everyone else. :p [15:50] Go to the website and complain! [15:51] Also that website looks like it was made in the early 2000s [15:51] cool isnt it? [15:51] i like old websites [15:51] :P [15:52] this is fun, grabbing packardbell's FTP [15:52] oh god [15:52] that's worse than geocities [15:52] Friend of mine shared this gem a bit ago: http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm [15:52] it's pritty fast actually! :P [15:52] dude [15:52] it's packard bell [15:52] they're awful [15:53] JohnnyJac: awesome isnt it? :P [15:53] every kind of awful [15:53] true but im pulling in at 20MB/s right now [15:53] Yup. [15:53] i remember visiting that site when i was 10 or so [15:53] 11 [15:54] midas: that's probably because nobody else wants packardbell crap [15:54] lol [15:54] true [15:54] so you have the entire uplink for yourself [15:54] i know :) [15:55] I am lsftp'ing ftp://ftp.d-link.co.za/ at the moment. No idea if has been grabbed already yet. Just... y'know, preparing in case it hasn't. [15:55] [17:51] where would I report the web IRC being down? [15:55] [17:53] joepie91_, to the web irc complaint section i guess [15:55] JohnnyJac, are you getting ftp.packardbell.com or ftp.download.packardbell.com? [15:55] [17:53] well yes, but where would that be? :P [15:55] [17:54] I'd been looking around for a general support channel, but there seems to be none [15:55] [17:54] im sure that perplexa will take your pm [15:55] [17:54] suck my dick [15:55] oh how much hate i had against them [15:55] [17:54] hes a pro [15:55] I'm not sure what I expected [15:55] SN4T14: ftp.pb [15:55] joepie91_: hahahha [15:56] Oh, it was you, not JohnnyJac. >.> [15:56] SNT, that was not me. [15:56] I am looking at ftp://ftp.d-link.co.za/ at the moment. Listing right now. [15:56] You all look the same! :p [15:56] JohnnyJac: do you have a beard? [15:56] Possibly... [15:57] damnit, you might look like me [15:57] glasses? [15:57] ...possibly. [15:57] HA! SN4T14 you are WRONG! [15:57] i had my eyes lasered [15:57] D: [15:57] Maybe he's younger than you? [15:58] doesnt matter, still running around with my middlefingers in the air [15:58] Ooh, maybe he's your evil twin, and the only difference is that he didn't get laser! [15:58] lol [15:58] fucking A, S3 worked! [15:59] Nice. [16:00] right [16:01] so my answer to "where is webchat support" [16:01] is [16:01] "there potentially is none" [16:01] half expected that, tbh :P [16:02] where is webchat support, in my pants! [16:02] >.> [16:02] that's what he said! [16:03] (he did, you pasted it yourself :p) [16:03] I just looked this up. Anyone had any use of/heard of it? http://code.google.com/p/httrack2arc/ [16:03] Is it useful for me? [16:03] time to go [16:04] closing the building :X [16:04] Bye midas! [16:04] midas! [16:04] you know what to do! [16:04] joepie91_, why/what network are you looking for webchat support in? [16:04] efnet :P [16:04] chat.efnet.org is dead [16:05] JohnnyJac, just use Cygwin [16:05] HTTrack is an overcomplicated POS. :p [16:05] Figured that would be a valid response. Hahaha! I j [16:05] It also ratelimits you at like 12KB/s, and the way to get around that in the GUI is really weird [16:06] ust HTTracked that SarcMark thing. Guess I'll just stick with wget. [16:08] Yeah, go with wget. :p [16:09] archivebot is already grabbing sarcmark,btw [16:10] sarcmark has a captcha at one point, though [16:10] ? [16:10] Try downloading it, a few pages in you'll hit a captcha. :p [16:10] what [16:10] wait, what kind of captcha [16:11] a cloudflare captcha? [16:11] No, looked custom-made [16:11] wtf. [16:12] ...I should totally buy sn4t14.com [16:15] I should totally get some shit done [16:15] >.> [16:15] Pfft, fuck getting shit done [16:15] :D [16:15] no, not really :P [16:15] I have a number of open pythonwhois tickets [16:16] as well as a security-related email I need to take a look at [16:16] and anonnews still needs to go back up [16:17] Well. I just cloned myself. [16:17] Damn ISP outage... [16:17] careful, you're upsetting the space-time equilibrium [16:41] Bahahaha, online.net truly are idiots [16:42] * joepie91_ twiddles [16:42] A full month is 15 days, according to this support person [16:42] SN4T14: oh, cancellation term? [16:42] (like, is that the topic?) [16:42] No, their sales terms say the minimum subscription time is 1 month [16:42] ah [16:42] And apparently 15 days is a full month [16:43] lol [16:43] fwiw, there's also https://www.digicube.fr/rapidserveurs [16:44] What sort of speeds do you actually get on those? I doubt that's 1Gbit dedicated. [16:47] nice, 8â¬ for 1tb [16:47] sounds great for seafile :) [16:47] SN4T14: 100mbps for cheaper plans [16:47] it's not dedicated [16:47] but you can likely burst fairly nicely [16:47] though the routing might be dubious [16:48] probably better than online though [16:48] :P [16:48] lol, that's not really hard to be. :p [16:48]