#archiveteam-bs 2014-10-30,Thu

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00:18 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: was there any talks at IA yeterday?
01:27 πŸ”— TFGBD sup
01:28 πŸ”— TFGBD So, I just got back from the thrift store
01:28 πŸ”— TFGBD https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=21F7781DB9BE4BBB!289&authkey=!AHkhysbAnuF1d70&ithint=folder%2cjpg
01:28 πŸ”— TFGBD see anything worth picking up?
01:29 πŸ”— DFJustin widgets 2000 looks like a shareware cd we don't have
01:31 πŸ”— TFGBD It looks very low budget
01:31 πŸ”— TFGBD I actually picked that one up
01:31 πŸ”— TFGBD the label on it is home printed
01:32 πŸ”— TFGBD I have a bunch of shareware CDs around the house somewhere
01:33 πŸ”— DFJustin budget doesn't matter, we're looking for time capsules of old internet content
01:35 πŸ”— TFGBD I know.
01:35 πŸ”— TFGBD That's what made it so appealing!
01:36 πŸ”— TFGBD It looks like a local or small time deal
01:36 πŸ”— TFGBD Heh, someone uploaded a full copy of Windows NT 4 Server with the serial number on Archive.org
01:37 πŸ”— DFJustin there seem to have been a lot of local productions like that, I found one from a town near me on the same street I used to work
01:37 πŸ”— TFGBD I was thinking of uploading the bundled CDs and recovery disks of a few desktops and laptops I have around the house.
01:38 πŸ”— TFGBD Some of them contain Windows XP or Vista, though.
01:38 πŸ”— TFGBD Have you ever uploaded something that controversial?
01:40 πŸ”— db48x heh
01:40 πŸ”— db48x yes
01:41 πŸ”— db48x it'll probably get hidden
02:01 πŸ”— Ravenloft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPM9oA72iQw
02:01 πŸ”— TFGBD Yet NT4 Server doesn't? :P
02:02 πŸ”— TFGBD What if I seperate the Windows XP CDs from the "other" driver CDs
02:02 πŸ”— TFGBD Can IA hide only once piece of a collection or does hiding pretty much hide the whole thing?
02:03 πŸ”— TFGBD I found the website of this Widgets 2000 CD I found
02:03 πŸ”— TFGBD https://web.archive.org/web/20000520103210/http://www.vista-net.com/
02:03 πŸ”— TFGBD Unfortunately, the site for this CD is long gone and IA didn't get it
02:05 πŸ”— dashcloud TFGBD: the catalog CD would be nice to put on IA, if it's not mislabelled/named
02:07 πŸ”— TFGBD This CD is neat
02:07 πŸ”— TFGBD It has lots of stuff like fake formatting apps and stuff with teletubbies
02:07 πŸ”— TFGBD I'll rip it now
02:07 πŸ”— TFGBD Scanning the material will take a bit longer
02:09 πŸ”— dashcloud does it have the classic cupholder app?
02:11 πŸ”— TFGBD not sure what that is
02:12 πŸ”— TFGBD One of this things is supposed to test for Y2K and it said it changed all the Ys in the days of the week to Ks
02:12 πŸ”— TFGBD made me lol
02:13 πŸ”— TFGBD Does the catalog CD look like some kind of sampler?
02:17 πŸ”— dashcloud I'm guessing it's a sampler or catalog for Humongous games, based on the Putt Putt character on the back
02:20 πŸ”— TFGBD If you look, I took a shot of the back
02:21 πŸ”— TFGBD https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=21F7781DB9BE4BBB&id=21F7781DB9BE4BBB!294&v=3&authkey=!AHkhysbAnuF1d70
02:21 πŸ”— TFGBD my thirft store is really annoying, too
02:22 πŸ”— TFGBD they just throw the software in with the music CDs
02:23 πŸ”— TFGBD What do you think of the Busytown How things Work?
02:28 πŸ”— TFGBD I assume Lemmings and Carman San Diego are quite easy to find, so I won't even bother with those
02:28 πŸ”— TFGBD and I already have the Cosmopolitan thing and titanic game
02:30 πŸ”— TFGBD I uploaded this today: https://archive.org/details/SYN0797B
02:31 πŸ”— joepie91 [03:02] <TFGBD> Can IA hide only once piece of a collection or does hiding pretty much hide the whole thing?
02:31 πŸ”— joepie91 darking is on a per-item level
02:32 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: cosmopolitan virtual make-over seems like something that'd be tricky to find
02:32 πŸ”— joepie91 OMFG
02:33 πŸ”— joepie91 trudy's time and place house!
02:33 πŸ”— joepie91 I played that when I was little!
02:33 πŸ”— joepie91 oh man
02:36 πŸ”— TFGBD Will any of you guys pay me for this stuff? ;P
02:36 πŸ”— TFGBD joepie91: I have the Cosmo virtual makeover MISB somewhere in the house
02:36 πŸ”— TFGBD Heh, maybe I should bring a small laptop/cddrive to the thrift store...
02:37 πŸ”— TFGBD android+usb dvd drive? ;P
02:38 πŸ”— TFGBD I have some WinCE devices with USB host I guess I could boot Linux on
02:38 πŸ”— TFGBD does your ripping stuff work on ARM?
02:40 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: it's just Python scripts, as long as the tools that it uses are available (see the README) it'll work
02:41 πŸ”— TFGBD joepie91: http://www.squakenet.com/download/trudy-s-time-and-place-house/11892/
02:41 πŸ”— TFGBD Seems it's already ripped
02:47 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: not a disc image :/
02:51 πŸ”— TFGBD yeah
02:52 πŸ”— TFGBD Guess not
02:52 πŸ”— TFGBD Want to paypal me the $2? :P
02:54 πŸ”— TFGBD BTW, Widgets 2000 is in the process or uploading
02:56 πŸ”— TFGBD Oh yeah, I have this too
02:56 πŸ”— TFGBD http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-FIFTH-ELEMENT-BIG-BOX-EDITION-for-PC-/181432576542?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a3e396a1e
02:56 πŸ”— TFGBD Never opened
02:56 πŸ”— TFGBD Interesting. There is one going for like $124 on ebay?!
02:57 πŸ”— TFGBD Woo! https://archive.org/details/WIDGETS2000
03:01 πŸ”— garyrh http://archive.org/download/WIDGETS2000/WIDGETS2000.ISO/movies%2Fcatpoop.mov
03:01 πŸ”— garyrh :|
03:11 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: I do not currently have budget for buying discs
03:11 πŸ”— joepie91 :p
03:11 πŸ”— TFGBD LOL
03:11 πŸ”— TFGBD I wonder if that is still anywhere else
03:11 πŸ”— TFGBD I assume it was on the internet or something
03:13 πŸ”— TFGBD this CD was quite the gem :P
03:14 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
03:15 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: if you like imaging discs, consider putting up a notice somewhere in the neighbourhood (supermarket noticeboard...?) asking for old CDs/DVDs
03:16 πŸ”— joepie91 if you say something along the lines of "it doesn't matter what's on it", you'll probably run across a few people who will be more than happy to make their CD storage problem, into your CD storage problem
03:16 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
03:16 πŸ”— TFGBD Is it true there are disk recycling places you can go to and just grab the discs from?
03:16 πŸ”— joepie91 I have no clue, never heard of one, there's giveaway stores / really really free markets though
03:16 πŸ”— joepie91 occasionally CDs/DVDs pop up there
03:16 πŸ”— TFGBD never heard of those
03:16 πŸ”— joepie91 ah, US-based
03:17 πŸ”— joepie91 google around for really really free markets
03:17 πŸ”— TFGBD My thirft store isn't as cheap as it used to be either
03:17 πŸ”— joepie91 don't think giveaway stores are really a thing in the US
03:17 πŸ”— TFGBD and they get everything for free!
03:17 πŸ”— joepie91 more a EU thing
03:17 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: tl;dr a really really free market is like a flea market, except everything is free
03:17 πŸ”— TFGBD wow, neat
03:17 πŸ”— TFGBD never heard of such a thing
03:17 πŸ”— TFGBD sounds like a very different culture
03:17 πŸ”— joepie91 a giveaway store is something similar, except you can usually bring in your own stuff, and they're usually in (semi-)permanent housing
03:18 πŸ”— TFGBD closest thing I can think of is craigslist
03:18 πŸ”— joepie91 giveaway stores are fairly common in NL and Germany, but not the US
03:18 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: really really free markets are pretty common in the US
03:18 πŸ”— joepie91 you should Google around
03:18 πŸ”— joepie91 maybe organize one yourself :D
03:18 πŸ”— TFGBD Do yoi mind if scans are JPEG?
03:18 πŸ”— joepie91 all it really takes is a patch of grass
03:18 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: JPEG is lossy, so yes, that is a problem
03:18 πŸ”— TFGBD I know some prefer them to be PNG or TIFF for maximum preservation
03:18 πŸ”— TFGBD but they're just so huge :/
03:18 πŸ”— joepie91 scans should really be lossless
03:18 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: are you limited in terms of upload speed?
03:19 πŸ”— TFGBD Nah, I just don't like to waste space with those huge files
03:19 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: you're not "wasting space" :P
03:19 πŸ”— TFGBD I suppose I could just upload them and keep jpegs for myself
03:19 πŸ”— TFGBD after uploading the PNGs
03:19 πŸ”— joepie91 sure
03:19 πŸ”— joepie91 just make sure to upload lossless to IA
03:19 πŸ”— joepie91 like
03:19 πŸ”— TFGBD I notice archive.org has a conversion thing too
03:19 πŸ”— garyrh pngcrush would help the size problem.
03:20 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: unless you're trying to upload an entire video site, size is not a concern for IA
03:20 πŸ”— TFGBD Heh, the site was stupid enough to use a 50MB png as the thumbnail before I converted it to a thumbnail ;P
03:20 πŸ”— joepie91 basically, just assume that whatever data you have will fit
03:20 πŸ”— TFGBD Glad I fixed that
03:20 πŸ”— TFGBD I'd hate to browse that on dialup :P
03:20 πŸ”— joepie91 it's better to have an IA engineer running around with his hair on fire to fix the space issue, than to be missing original source data in the archive
03:20 πŸ”— joepie91 so to say
03:21 πŸ”— TFGBD Do you know how the iso/zip download works?
03:21 πŸ”— TFGBD Does it extract them all and store everything twice?
03:21 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: the archive.org conversion is for 1) convenience and 2) keeping things accessible... the original is always kept and re-derived over time if necessary :)
03:21 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: the browsing thing you mean?
03:21 πŸ”— TFGBD or do they have some way to download a file directly from an iso/zip?
03:21 πŸ”— joepie91 afaik that's on-the-fly reading of the file index
03:21 πŸ”— TFGBD yeah
03:21 πŸ”— joepie91 with offsets
03:21 πŸ”— joepie91 (which is why it's so slow)
03:21 πŸ”— TFGBD You just linked me to a mov and it streamed swimmingly with VLC/MPC-HC
03:22 πŸ”— joepie91 (I didn't link that)
03:22 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
03:22 πŸ”— TFGBD sorry
03:22 πŸ”— TFGBD someone did :P
03:22 πŸ”— garyrh muhahaha
03:22 πŸ”— joepie91 but yeah, as far as I know it just uses the file index to find the offset
03:22 πŸ”— joepie91 and then serves the data from there
03:22 πŸ”— joepie91 which is why it has high initial latency
03:22 πŸ”— joepie91 (I presume)
03:22 πŸ”— TFGBD I found this old BMW navigation DVD some years back and I was always wondering what I should do with it
03:22 πŸ”— TFGBD Guess I'll upload it
03:23 πŸ”— joepie91 yes :D
03:23 πŸ”— joepie91 upload all the things!
03:23 πŸ”— TFGBD It's fun looking around for junk.
03:23 πŸ”— TFGBD There are a bunch of shareware CDs in the other room
03:23 πŸ”— TFGBD things like fonts and clipart
03:23 πŸ”— TFGBD Will Archive.org also take trials?
03:24 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: archive.org takes anything :P
03:24 πŸ”— TFGBD I have some Windows CE trials I got directly from Microsoft that they mailed to me on CD/DVD
03:24 πŸ”— TFGBD They're generally pretty huge
03:24 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: just upload them
03:24 πŸ”— TFGBD Will do
03:24 πŸ”— joepie91 again, size is not a concern
03:25 πŸ”— TFGBD I'm been looking for a place to upload this stuff for when MS hides it on their site for awhile now
03:25 πŸ”— garyrh yeah, they've got room.
03:25 πŸ”— TFGBD a lot of places either focus on games or OSes and don't really want 5GB OS porting toolkits
03:25 πŸ”— TFGBD or there are "legal issues"
03:26 πŸ”— TFGBD but even if there are, at least IA will preserve them in a vault somewhere
03:28 πŸ”— joepie91 exactly *
03:28 πŸ”— joepie91 exactyl
03:28 πŸ”— joepie91 :)
03:28 πŸ”— TFGBD Can IA look inside RAR and 7z?
03:28 πŸ”— joepie91 7z: not yet, afaik
03:28 πŸ”— joepie91 RAR: probably never, proprietary format
03:28 πŸ”— TFGBD I generally prefer zip but other sites prefer 7z
03:28 πŸ”— joepie91 basically, don't upload RAR unless that is the format that the original files are in
03:28 πŸ”— TFGBD Can't IA convert it?
03:28 πŸ”— joepie91 never pack something as RAR (or any other proprietary format) yourself
03:29 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: maybe, maybe not, maybe it can now but not in the future
03:29 πŸ”— TFGBD Yeah, some installers use RAR
03:29 πŸ”— joepie91 proprietary formats are eviil
03:29 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
03:29 πŸ”— TFGBD wasn't zip proprietairy once?
03:29 πŸ”— joepie91 basically, if you pack up something yourself, use an open format
03:29 πŸ”— joepie91 I'm not sure on ZIP actually
03:29 πŸ”— TFGBD proprietary*
03:29 πŸ”— TFGBD I used zip for all the bin/cues
03:30 πŸ”— TFGBD I don't like the idea of just uploading the bin and cue
03:30 πŸ”— joepie91 ... why not?
03:30 πŸ”— TFGBD it can't look in them anyway, I si just upload an iso
03:30 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: look, you need to understand that it isn't about what IA can do *right now*
03:30 πŸ”— joepie91 you should always present your data as 'cleanly' as possible
03:30 πŸ”— TFGBD Isn't zip clean?
03:31 πŸ”— joepie91 not as clean as just uploading the files
03:31 πŸ”— joepie91 you're adding an extra layer that IA doesn't and can't know what to do with
03:31 πŸ”— TFGBD I figure it will make it easier for people to download too since they could save a few 100mb
03:31 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: all that kind of stuff can be implemented on IA's side
03:31 πŸ”— TFGBD and it uses less of their bw
03:31 πŸ”— joepie91 again, don't worry about resources
03:31 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD:
03:31 πŸ”— TFGBD like adding zip on their end?
03:31 πŸ”— joepie91 look
03:31 πŸ”— joepie91 please read this very carefully
03:32 πŸ”— joepie91 all you as an uploader/archivist/whatever need to be concerned with, is presenting the data as cleanly as you possibly could; that is, not making any modifications unless there is an inevitable technical requirement for doing so
03:32 πŸ”— joepie91 that's where your responsibility ends
03:32 πŸ”— TFGBD okay, my next one will be raw
03:32 πŸ”— joepie91 turning the data into something easily downloadable, browsable, whatever, is the responsibility of IA
03:32 πŸ”— TFGBD Though, I have a few disk images with keygens and serials stupidly integrated
03:32 πŸ”— TFGBD I'm going to need to reauthor the iso for other sites.
03:33 πŸ”— garyrh <TFGBD> wasn't zip proprietairy once?
03:33 πŸ”— garyrh the zip file format was released into the public domain on the first release: http://cd.textfiles.com/pcmedic9310/MAIN/MISC/COMPRESS/ZIP.PRS
03:33 πŸ”— TFGBD I see
03:33 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: every time you change something, pack it up, rename it, whatever, you make it harder for IA's backend to figure out exactly what it is meant to represent, and this WILL cause issues in the long term
03:33 πŸ”— TFGBD I get ya
03:33 πŸ”— joepie91 the uploads you're making are meant to still be there and still be usable in 1000 years
03:33 πŸ”— TFGBD I just hope they last that long
03:34 πŸ”— joepie91 whether IA can browse through a bin/cue, in that bigger picture, is just completely insignificant
03:34 πŸ”— TFGBD I'm so used to internet companies going by the wayside
03:34 πŸ”— TFGBD well, that's the point of IA
03:34 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: let's put it this way, of all entities I am aware of, IA is the one I have most faith in, longevity-wise
03:34 πŸ”— TFGBD but what happens when the archive needs an archive? ;P
03:34 πŸ”— TFGBD yeah, they've been around for a good while so far
03:34 πŸ”— joepie91 nothing is certain, but IA is the best option I am aware of so far
03:35 πŸ”— TFGBD do you know if youtube privately archives deleted videos?
03:35 πŸ”— joepie91 some say they do, some say they don't - it doesn't really matter, because you can't access them anyway
03:35 πŸ”— TFGBD does IA have anything for YouTube?
03:35 πŸ”— joepie91 also
03:35 πŸ”— joepie91 [04:32] <TFGBD> Though, I have a few disk images with keygens and serials stupidly integrated
03:35 πŸ”— joepie91 [04:32] <TFGBD> I'm going to need to reauthor the iso for other sites.
03:35 πŸ”— joepie91 two things regarding this:
03:35 πŸ”— joepie91 1) please do not upload a reauthored version to IA if you can at all avoid it
03:36 πŸ”— joepie91 2) if at all possible, try to find a 'clean' copy (that is, original disc without any modifications, straight from publisher, pressed and not burned) and upload an image of that
03:36 πŸ”— joepie91 if you can't find a clean copy, then at least make a note of it in the description, indicating that it's not a clean copy
03:36 πŸ”— TFGBD Unfortunately, that isn't always possible 15 year later
03:36 πŸ”— TFGBD torrents long dead, etc
03:36 πŸ”— joepie91 of course, see above
03:36 πŸ”— joepie91 if there's really no other copy, then you don't have much choice
03:37 πŸ”— TFGBD 2 of the the Corel DRAWs I uploaded are bought copies
03:37 πŸ”— TFGBD the Corel 9 was a backup, unfortunately
03:37 πŸ”— TFGBD but it didn't look modified
03:37 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: make sure to make a note in the description
03:37 πŸ”— TFGBD And it was a full copy of the original CDs
03:37 πŸ”— joepie91 even if you think it wasn't modified
03:37 πŸ”— joepie91 (you can edit descriptions afterwards)
03:37 πŸ”— TFGBD yeah, I've done that tons
03:37 πŸ”— TFGBD Will change it now
03:37 πŸ”— joepie91 alright
03:38 πŸ”— TFGBD Should I add a custom field or just append it to the main description?
03:38 πŸ”— TFGBD Also, I see why you mean about the editors being from 2 different eras :P
03:38 πŸ”— joepie91 I'm not sure if a metadata field for this exists
03:38 πŸ”— joepie91 most metadata fields are not documented
03:38 πŸ”— joepie91 :/
03:38 πŸ”— joepie91 I guess just do the description for now
03:38 πŸ”— TFGBD Oh, I was thinking...
03:39 πŸ”— TFGBD You know how there is an android store archival project?
03:39 πŸ”— joepie91 SketchCow: underscor: DFJustin: is there a metadata field to indicate that a disc image is not of a 'clean' copy; that is, the source disc is copied/burned, reauthored (keygen/crack included), etc.
03:39 πŸ”— TFGBD Is there anything for Windows Phone 7/8?
03:39 πŸ”— joepie91 no clue
03:40 πŸ”— TFGBD I hate this OS but I finally figured out a way to backup the apps
03:40 πŸ”— TFGBD Unfortunately, it involves repacking them as .xaps are not stored unmodified like .apks are
03:40 πŸ”— joepie91 how do you mean?
03:41 πŸ”— TFGBD xaps are zips that get extracted/copied to the respective GUID folders and then deleted
03:41 πŸ”— TFGBD But there is at least one tool that can rebuild them from the directories on the device.
03:42 πŸ”— TFGBD This may also be urgent because Windows Phone 7 (even 7.8 from 2012) will be EOL soon
03:42 πŸ”— TFGBD If it isn't already
03:42 πŸ”— TFGBD It worries me they could take down the Marketplace like they did for Pocket PC 6.5
03:43 πŸ”— TFGBD Though, that was no big loss since there wasn't much there that wasn't also downloadable directly
03:43 πŸ”— TFGBD But WP7 without the marketplace is almost useless
03:43 πŸ”— TFGBD Outside of the handful of sites that archive .xaps
03:43 πŸ”— TFGBD There are lots of these shitty WP7 devices that could be useless in the future without the Marketplace too
03:44 πŸ”— TFGBD I have about 500mb of XAP packages I just backed up. Guess I should upload them
04:12 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: hm, is there any way to automate downloading applications?
04:12 πŸ”— TFGBD not that I've found
04:13 πŸ”— TFGBD there used to be stuff that would let you download stuff directly from a PC
04:13 πŸ”— TFGBD even paid stuff
04:13 πŸ”— TFGBD but I'm pretty sure they fixed that
04:13 πŸ”— joepie91 well
04:13 πŸ”— joepie91 I mean, from a theoretical perspective
04:13 πŸ”— joepie91 if your phone can download it, then so can something else
04:14 πŸ”— TFGBD It was a bitch even finding something to back things up
04:14 πŸ”— TFGBD I think the tool I used is open source
04:14 πŸ”— TFGBD let me check
04:14 πŸ”— TFGBD it has the most hard to find name in the world
04:14 πŸ”— SketchCow There's no direct metadata field other than description.
04:14 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: ^
04:14 πŸ”— TFGBD the metadata like comments/descriptions could just be parsed from the MS site
04:15 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: so, basically just edit the description to indicate the source
04:15 πŸ”— joepie91 and, right
04:15 πŸ”— TFGBD Example: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/uc-browser/6cda5651-56b9-48b0-8771-91dbc188f873
04:16 πŸ”— TFGBD Also, as far as I know, the WP7 VM can't be activated and used on the market place so you likely need an unlocked real device
04:17 πŸ”— TFGBD I could provide one but unlike a normal WinCE device or desktop, there is no way to remotely control the GUI
04:18 πŸ”— TFGBD It's a very crippled OS.
04:19 πŸ”— TFGBD Though, it might be possible to install cmd.exe and a telnetd and script a remote device that way.
04:20 πŸ”— TFGBD there is one app that displays the screen via remote usb screen sharing but you can't actually interact with the device without using it's physical touchscreen
04:20 πŸ”— TFGBD Also, there is Python for Windows CE but the WP7 OS may be too crippled to run it without source mods
04:22 πŸ”— joepie91 TFGBD: does it have wifi?
04:23 πŸ”— joepie91 if yes; buy $3 USB wifi adapter from china, make it present itself as an access point, run wireshark, intercept store traffic
04:23 πŸ”— joepie91 reverse-engineer whatever it is doing
04:23 πŸ”— joepie91 with a bit of luck that should be sufficient
04:23 πŸ”— joepie91 anyway, I need to sleep
04:23 πŸ”— joepie91 so, night
04:28 πŸ”— TFGBD mm
04:52 πŸ”— yipdw TFGBD: another reason to just upload the original format: it removes the need to think
04:52 πŸ”— botpie91 yipdw: 02:40Z <arb735> tell yipdw I feel bad for you how many times 5t63lexhfmb4sw240u86sjijn has got stuck and needs to be stop-cont again
04:52 πŸ”— yipdw fucking arb735
04:52 πŸ”— yipdw I feel like dec3199 sent his minions to fuck everything
04:52 πŸ”— yipdw that's gamergate level conspiracy theory though so
05:10 πŸ”— chronomex dec3199 has no minions
05:17 πŸ”— TFGBD I getcha :P
05:17 πŸ”— TFGBD Though, I think zip can be useful if you need to preserve timestamps
05:17 πŸ”— TFGBD Does the archive.org upload thing preserve time stamps?
05:26 πŸ”— DFJustin <joepie91> SketchCow: underscor: DFJustin: is there a metadata field to indicate that a disc image is not of a 'clean' copy; that is, the source disc is copied/burned, reauthored (keygen/crack included), etc. <-- I put that kind of thing in the "notes" field
05:36 πŸ”— TFGBD when stuff is hidden, can the uploader still access it?
05:36 πŸ”— chronomex no
05:39 πŸ”— yipdw TFGBD: if you upload the data as-is timestamps are preesrved
05:40 πŸ”— yipdw if the data was not originally timestamped then adding them doesn't really help
05:41 πŸ”— yipdw you can also set dates on items using the IA uploader
05:44 πŸ”— TFGBD I didn't think the HTML5 uploader would preserve timestamps
05:44 πŸ”— TFGBD What is your stance on renaming generic filenames
05:45 πŸ”— TFGBD Like, sometimes when I download files named "setup.exe" or setup.zip, i renamethem to ProgramName_version_(setup).zip
05:45 πŸ”— yipdw keep them as-is
05:45 πŸ”— yipdw your description of what they are should go in the notes
05:45 πŸ”— TFGBD I'm trying to keep the disk labels in the filenames too
05:45 πŸ”— yipdw if you've already renamed them then don't rename then again, just upload and describe
05:45 πŸ”— yipdw this doesn't have to be a long book of rules
05:46 πŸ”— yipdw the mantra is Just Upload The Things
05:46 πŸ”— TFGBD DMCA be damned? :P
05:46 πŸ”— yipdw what are you from, HN
05:46 πŸ”— TFGBD HN?
05:46 πŸ”— TFGBD I have 2 CD drives now :P
05:46 πŸ”— yipdw ok good probably not
05:46 πŸ”— yipdw DMCA doesn't matter
05:46 πŸ”— yipdw if it happens to raise an issue your data will be hidden and you will be notified
05:47 πŸ”— TFGBD Oh, good
05:47 πŸ”— TFGBD at least they tell you
05:47 πŸ”— yipdw if further legal action needs to be taken it will be taken
05:47 πŸ”— TFGBD Wait, what
05:47 πŸ”— TFGBD You mean I could go to jail?
05:47 πŸ”— yipdw just upload the shit
05:47 πŸ”— yipdw yes you could
05:47 πŸ”— yipdw we all could
05:47 πŸ”— yipdw is it likely no
05:47 πŸ”— TFGBD I thought archive.org is the one who gets in trouble
05:47 πŸ”— TFGBD guess I shouldn't used an account tied to my main email
05:47 πŸ”— TFGBD use*
05:48 πŸ”— yipdw I've uploaded a few thousand items that likely violate every rule there's a law for
05:48 πŸ”— TFGBD www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
05:48 πŸ”— yipdw worrying about DMCA etc hitting you is a theoretical possibility but who cares
05:48 πŸ”— TFGBD I assume they don't like child porn either
05:49 πŸ”— yipdw uploading child porn without a very obviously strong justification would probably put you into the asshole box, yeah
05:49 πŸ”— TFGBD lol
05:49 πŸ”— TFGBD I have a bunch of archived imageboard threads that I don't feel like checking every folder of
05:49 πŸ”— TFGBD you know sometimes people spam that stuff
05:51 πŸ”— yipdw sure
05:51 πŸ”— TFGBD i guess I could make another account for that and use a proxy
05:51 πŸ”— yipdw if you don't know if it's there then uploading it and describing the data is probably fine
05:52 πŸ”— TFGBD let IA deal with it
05:52 πŸ”— yipdw if you know CP is in there and you upload it then you probably have much more explaining to do
05:52 πŸ”— TFGBD i getcha
05:52 πŸ”— TFGBD Man, there is so much crap I could upload!
05:53 πŸ”— TFGBD I not see why there is that python upload app
05:53 πŸ”— DFJustin the whole point of dmca is that the uploader gets in trouble and not the site that accepts uploads
05:53 πŸ”— garyrh It's very handy for bulk uploading.
05:54 πŸ”— DFJustin in practice nobody really cares once the stuff is taken down
05:55 πŸ”— TFGBD Do you spend time writing a detailed description or is there just too much you sent?
05:56 πŸ”— yipdw I have not written descriptions, but that's because SketchCow writes them for me
05:56 πŸ”— TFGBD SketchCow?
05:56 πŸ”— yipdw the stuff I've uploaded is a bunch of Warrior results
05:56 πŸ”— yipdw Jason Scott
05:57 πŸ”— yipdw he makes the collections, I throw stuff in there
05:57 πŸ”— TFGBD DVDs only need ISO, right?
05:57 πŸ”— TFGBD or should I still do bin/cue just to be safe?
05:57 πŸ”— DFJustin iso should be fine
05:57 πŸ”— TFGBD It's a map DVD for a PDA
05:57 πŸ”— yipdw for example, he wrote the description for https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_twitchtv
05:57 πŸ”— yipdw in general though a good detailed description is useful
05:57 πŸ”— yipdw godane has done a bunch I believe
05:58 πŸ”— DFJustin writing descriptions is better than not writing them, but not if it prevents you from uploading the stuff because you don't have time for descriptions
05:58 πŸ”— TFGBD i get ya
05:59 πŸ”— DFJustin there's also good old copy and paste
05:59 πŸ”— DFJustin I often open up cds and look for a readme.txt or whatever with something usable
05:59 πŸ”— TFGBD Most of the stuff I put up didn't have much of that so far
05:59 πŸ”— TFGBD I took some things from websites and wikipedia
06:02 πŸ”— TFGBD You ever use a camera or are scans just better?
06:12 πŸ”— * TFGBD just added this to the notes of one of my upload:
06:12 πŸ”— TFGBD The source discs these were imaged from are not the original discs but a backup copy that was likely burned from an .ISO rip of the original."
08:31 πŸ”— Smiley yawn
14:20 πŸ”— DFJustin scans are just better unless you've built a setup with a fixed camera mount and proper backdrops
14:22 πŸ”— balrog is anyone here set up to scan magazines?
14:22 πŸ”— balrog or do I just send them to SketchCow and hope for the best?
14:23 πŸ”— Smiley godane has a scanner afaik, don't know if he can scan atm,
14:23 πŸ”— Smiley And I think maybe joepie91 too but thats not confirmed
14:24 πŸ”— joepie91 I have a scanner, but just regular flatbed/formfeed
14:24 πŸ”— joepie91 A4 formfeed
14:24 πŸ”— joepie91 so not very useful for magazines unless I'm bored for a day
14:24 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
16:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Scanning what
17:01 πŸ”— balrog magazines
17:48 πŸ”— joepie91 guess who has a new (probably) working PC
17:48 πŸ”— joepie91 :D
19:11 πŸ”— schbirid yay, my psp arrived
20:47 πŸ”— yipdw so Ello added this to their rules regarding NSFW flagging
20:47 πŸ”— botpie91 yipdw: 12:15Z <arb735> tell yipdw thank you
20:47 πŸ”— yipdw " Please donҀ™t post only sexually explicit material and content."
20:47 πŸ”— yipdw that's really weird
20:48 πŸ”— balrog yipdw: what, about the rules?
20:48 πŸ”— yipdw yeah
20:49 πŸ”— yipdw I think it's very clear that sexually explicit material and content is what some people want to share of themselves
20:49 πŸ”— yipdw it's just strange that Ello would call that out specifically
20:49 πŸ”— yipdw the NSFW flag, whatever, that's understandable
21:15 πŸ”— schbirid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZyQ9g2WTy8
21:28 πŸ”— godane i'm starting to upload more msnbc.com videos
21:30 πŸ”— godane fun fact: some items between dec 26 to 31 of 2004 have time stamp for jan 10 2005
21:31 πŸ”— godane *items=files
21:33 πŸ”— godane also starting to upload 3601 to 3700 of aol files 4400 protocol set
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