#archiveteam-bs 2015-08-03,Mon

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00:00 πŸ”— Balrog-34 ?
00:00 πŸ”— Balrog-34 I'm not sure if you're talking about the map, or me, or what
00:00 πŸ”— yipdw nah just the proposal and how it slots into my personal view of what's been going on archiveteam-wise
00:01 πŸ”— yipdw it just came at a bad time for me, that's all
00:01 πŸ”— Balrog-34 oh dear
00:01 πŸ”— Balrog-34 dare I ask
00:02 πŸ”— yipdw I feel like web activity has been about saving murders, harassment, terabytes of e-sports tournament stats
00:02 πŸ”— Balrog-34 just to be clear, I didn't mean to appear entitled or anything
00:02 πŸ”— Balrog-34 oh
00:02 πŸ”— yipdw you see that a lot and it gets you down
00:02 πŸ”— Balrog-34 yeah
00:03 πŸ”— Balrog-34 people are ugly
00:03 πŸ”— Balrog-34 that's part of why I want to save this
00:03 πŸ”— yipdw so we can indeed confirm that things suck
00:03 πŸ”— Balrog-34 so people can look back and decide whether this shit was a monument or a mistake
00:03 πŸ”— yipdw for the 24th time
00:04 πŸ”— Balrog-34 but yeah, in my opinion you need to save the bad with the good because otherwise you're giving future generations a whitewashed picture of history
00:05 πŸ”— Balrog-34 sorta like that whole mess about the Confederate flag that's going on in the US
00:05 πŸ”— yipdw that concern works in reverse
00:05 πŸ”— Balrog-34 as if getting rid of a frigging flag that doesn't even universally symbolize racism or slavery will magically make racism less of a problem
00:08 πŸ”— Balrog-34 yipdw: that's why you need to save both, so people can decide for themselves
00:09 πŸ”— yipdw yes
00:09 πŸ”— yipdw that is true in theory
00:10 πŸ”— yipdw my personal view is that recent activity in archiveteam has veered too much in a direction that I don't care for and there is no amount of logic or explanation that will change that
00:10 πŸ”— yipdw luckily, my personal view is powerless
00:10 πŸ”— Balrog-34 sign of the times, I guess
00:11 πŸ”— yipdw and/or a sign of the group's composition
00:11 πŸ”— Balrog-34 also what exactly do you mean by "harrassment"
00:11 πŸ”— yipdw I'm not going there because there is no way we will have a calm discussion about that on the Internet
00:11 πŸ”— Balrog-34 okay, so GamerGate
00:12 πŸ”— Balrog-34 fair enough, this is neither the time or the place for that kind of insanity
00:12 πŸ”— Balrog-34 one more thing
00:13 πŸ”— Balrog-34 have you considered having the Seesaw docs uploaded on Read The Docs?
00:13 πŸ”— Balrog-34 https://readthedocs.org
00:13 πŸ”— yipdw we could do it, several other AT projects use ReadTheDocs
00:14 πŸ”— Balrog-34 would definitely be handy for people like me who use say Portable Python
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00:33 πŸ”— yipdw Balrog-34: https://seesaw-kit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
00:34 πŸ”— yipdw we could probably also add the README to the generated docs, since that and the example projects are probably the best references at the moment
00:34 πŸ”— Balrog-34 neat
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00:41 πŸ”— Balrog-34 all right, thanks again for bothering to listen to me
00:41 πŸ”— Balrog-34 I for one need to head to bed
00:41 πŸ”— Balrog-34 hope everyone has a good night
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03:34 πŸ”— SketchCow yipdw: Hey emo kid
03:34 πŸ”— SketchCow You might notice the stuff I tend to save
03:35 πŸ”— SketchCow Art groups, essay blogs, museums sites, quaint hotels, thoughtful philosophical statements.
03:36 πŸ”— SketchCow Don't lose the fire!
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04:26 πŸ”— SketchCow Also, I just uploaded the ENTIRE Pale Moon browser code archive before the lead maintainer deleted it off his drive.
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05:02 πŸ”— BlueMaxim Why did he delete it?
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06:03 πŸ”— Ctrl-S hey is anyone here good with git? I'm having committing my changes for some reason, it used to work fine but now it doesn't
06:04 πŸ”— Ctrl-S https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/n0wQMPJA/
06:05 πŸ”— JesseW That's not an error I've seen before...
06:05 πŸ”— JesseW It looks like you are using a GUI, have you tried from the commandline?
06:06 πŸ”— Ctrl-S I have no idea how to do any of this without the windows gui
06:06 πŸ”— Ctrl-S i'll go read how now i guess
06:08 πŸ”— JesseW good luck. I'm heading to sleep now, or I'd try to help more...
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06:11 πŸ”— Ctrl-S i did a commit from the command line based of some of this info, and it seems to be working as it was before now
06:11 πŸ”— Ctrl-S http://blogs.msdn.com/b/kristol/archive/2013/07/02/the-git-command-line-101-for-windows-users.aspx
06:11 πŸ”— Ctrl-S thanks
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06:30 πŸ”— kniffy the chat from the games done quick stream was saved apparently http://redd.it/3fjbdo
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06:46 πŸ”— godane so i'm going to look for a new wifi usb adapter tomorrow
06:47 πŸ”— godane in the mean time i got 1988-06 MBC Newsdesk downloaded
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06:54 πŸ”— godane i need a more stable wifi grabbing it
07:00 πŸ”— godane i may get
07:00 πŸ”— godane TP-LINK TL-WN722N N150 High-Gain Wireless USB Adapter
07:03 πŸ”— dan- that's a decent one, if the 150mbps isn't gonna be an issue for you
07:03 πŸ”— dan- (with most net connections, it isn't gonna be a problem anyway :p)
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07:26 πŸ”— ersi lol 2006 as wild west
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08:23 πŸ”— arkiver yipdw: I think anything that's not illegal is archive-worthy and should be archived when it'll be removed.
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11:10 πŸ”— Ctrl-S i THINK THAT EVEN ILLEGAL STUFF SHOULD BE ARCHIVED
11:10 πŸ”— Ctrl-S whoops sorry for the caps
11:10 πŸ”— Ctrl-S it's just that it's a hell of a lot harder to archive illegal things
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12:21 πŸ”— ersi Well, in general I think no one here fucking cares about the legality of anything
12:21 πŸ”— ersi but when it's underage/lolicon images.. then you're in a special world of pain
12:22 πŸ”— ersi Also, feel free to archive that site if you want to. But as he asked for input, he got some input. Most seems to not want to help archive it. If you do, fine - go right ahead. But don't call it an ArchiveTeam project or mention IA
12:23 πŸ”— Ctrl-S yeah
12:23 πŸ”— Ctrl-S having that stuff causes all sorts of issues
12:25 πŸ”— Ctrl-S if only there was some sort of government supported archive that had an exemption to these laws so it could be available to future historians
12:25 πŸ”— Ctrl-S but as a private entity it's pretty much impossible to do safely
12:26 πŸ”— ersi Also, why the fuck are we still talking about this shit?
12:26 πŸ”— Ctrl-S dunno
12:26 πŸ”— ersi It's like standing by a toilet discussing the turds within
12:27 πŸ”— Ctrl-S i saw yids message, replied, then replied to you
12:27 πŸ”— Ctrl-S got anything more interesting to talk about?
12:27 πŸ”— Ctrl-S like for example, any projects to preserve patches to software
12:28 πŸ”— ersi patches, what kind of patches? from whom?
12:28 πŸ”— Ctrl-S like for example for windows and stuff
12:28 πŸ”— Ctrl-S or game patches
12:36 πŸ”— ersi ah
12:36 πŸ”— ersi well that'd be nice, but how to find 'em?
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12:40 πŸ”— Ctrl-S no idea
12:40 πŸ”— Ctrl-S maybe diffs of game files from steam, gog, desura, etc?
12:45 πŸ”— Infreq hmm on the topic of game files did filefront ever announce sub sites going down?
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12:47 πŸ”— Ctrl-S we should archive all the mod, map, etc hosting sites preemptively
12:47 πŸ”— Ctrl-S in a thousand years we should still be able to play fy_pool_night
12:48 πŸ”— Infreq well last 2 times I checked the filefront mod sites they've been down which is worrying considering how much mods they hosted
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13:40 πŸ”— SketchCow HI IS YIPDW FEELING BEETER
13:40 πŸ”— SketchCow This is all I'm worried about
13:48 πŸ”— joepie91 https://twitter.com/musalbas/status/628191402078380032
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16:19 πŸ”— yipdw SketchCow: yeah I got your message and I mean yeah it's not an across-the-board "oh man this all sucks" thing
16:19 πŸ”— botpie91 yipdw: 15:27Z <JesseW> tell yipdw No harm done. As I said, I'm glad to use the existing logs (if given the password), or no logs at all if desired.
16:20 πŸ”— SketchCow I see so much good stuff happening.
16:20 πŸ”— schbirid what happened?
16:21 πŸ”— schbirid Infreq Ctrl-S i thought about gamefront next
16:44 πŸ”— arkiver archive.org is offline
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16:47 πŸ”— yipdw archive.org is online from the xfire rsync depot's perspective
16:47 πŸ”— yipdw ARCHIVE TEAM 1, IA PUBLIC WEB PRESENCE 0
16:47 πŸ”— schbirid :D
16:48 πŸ”— arkiver https://monitor.archive.org/weathermap/weathermap.html
16:48 πŸ”— arkiver So much white
16:49 πŸ”— yipdw arkiver: we're pushing ~400 mbps from xfire -> IA, which appears to be the highest we can go
16:58 πŸ”— arkiver yipdw: if that's the highest we can go, ok! thank you!
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17:24 πŸ”— joepie91 archive.org is online for me, cc arkiver
17:25 πŸ”— xmc who can help me hold a 5T disk image long-term? i'd like for gitorious to also exist on hardware that's not mine.
17:25 πŸ”— xmc putting a 5T item on archive.org is a little awkward
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17:54 πŸ”— SketchCow What is it
17:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh, it's gitorious
17:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Split it into 5 parts.
17:56 πŸ”— xmc it's a filesystem image, the files inside it are hardlinked to hell
17:56 πŸ”— xmc if you break all the hardlinks you get like 30T
17:56 πŸ”— xmc ish
17:57 πŸ”— xmc i'd love to collab on figuring out how to get it into IA but that's an engineering challenge
17:59 πŸ”— Smiley xmc: torrent?
17:59 πŸ”— * Smiley has about 1Tb space atm :/
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18:56 πŸ”— joepie91 SketchCow: still around? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9997817
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20:01 πŸ”— balrog https://medium.com/matter/the-web-we-have-to-save-2eb1fe15a426
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20:40 πŸ”— joepie91 balrog: pretty good article, but I can't help but realize the irony
20:42 πŸ”— balrog joepie91: that it is on Medium?
20:42 πŸ”— joepie91 balrog: yeah, with the litany of "share/follow this!!!1!" on the page
20:42 πŸ”— joepie91 :)
20:44 πŸ”— ersi meh, hehe
20:44 πŸ”— balrog medium is far from the worst
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20:46 πŸ”— schbirid also read http://sarahwerner.net/blog/2015/07/how-to-destroy-special-collections-with-social-media/ in case you havent yet
20:47 πŸ”— schbirid xmc: if it is a disk image, tar and split it?
20:48 πŸ”— godane so i'm on my alfa Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter
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20:48 πŸ”— godane its been flaky as of late
20:48 πŸ”— godane anyway to make it more stable
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21:00 πŸ”— Ravenloft https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/8088-mph-the-final-version/
21:02 πŸ”— SketchCow Someone ready to explain signius to me?
21:03 πŸ”— SketchCow joepie91: Nothing more depressing than watching hackernews people try and figure out money
21:04 πŸ”— xmc this might be more to your liking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X02iz3NPZ54
21:04 πŸ”— xmc i mean, if you like looking at things go way wrong
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21:08 πŸ”— expr_ joepie91: even more ironic as Matter is owned by Medium
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