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01:51 🔗 godane i'm grabbing the index pages of france24.com
01:52 🔗 godane its based on the en/author/news-wires pages
01:53 🔗 godane based on what i can tell the news-wires author index has most of the pages for france24
02:22 🔗 godane looks like kpfa fully started to have 24 hours archives around may 2004
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08:17 🔗 joepie91 strange copy of a show of John Oliver: https://archive.org/details/JohnOliverTerrifyingTimes
08:18 🔗 joepie91 and a now-removed version of a youtube video about a slumlord, that was replaced with a version where about 5 minutes of footage was cut: https://archive.org/details/TheNeighborFromHell
08:18 🔗 * joepie91 is cleaning out
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12:23 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: 10 * 12 / 12 == $10/mo
12:23 🔗 joepie91 more than enough
12:23 🔗 joepie91 for a small image host
12:24 🔗 WubTheCap VPS hosts won't tolerate abuse
12:24 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: depends entirely on the host
12:24 🔗 WubTheCap The smallest I can do is about 30 EUR/month with LeaseWeb on their cheapest dedi
12:24 🔗 joepie91 yeah, wrong price range
12:24 🔗 WubTheCap But realistically the figure is more like 60 EUR/month minimum
12:24 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: https://servercrate.com/vps-storage
12:24 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: this is where my PDF host currently runs
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12:24 🔗 WubTheCap OpenVZ, no thanks.
12:25 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: see, and there's the problem.
12:25 🔗 joepie91 OpenVZ is *just fine* for an image host
12:25 🔗 joepie91 you're setting unnecessary requirements
12:25 🔗 joepie91 and this is EXACTLY what kills all these other services
12:25 🔗 WubTheCap Their WHOIS is also anonymous
12:25 🔗 WubTheCap No way I would do business with them
12:25 🔗 joepie91 you don't need perfect latency, you don't need KVM
12:25 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: owner is Robert Clarke
12:25 🔗 WubTheCap Behind CloudFlare, I also can't tell what ASN they are under
12:26 🔗 WubTheCap LeaseWeb has cheap VPSes too, they're kind of okay
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12:26 🔗 WubTheCap There's also prgmr which is another no bullshit host, but it's Xen and a bit pricy
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12:26 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: http://bgp.he.net/AS20150
12:26 🔗 joepie91 there's your ASN
12:26 🔗 WubTheCap Well, if not pricy then their network isn't so good anyway
12:26 🔗 WubTheCap Downstream from Psychz I see
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12:26 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: if you're going with the first big name that you see, then yes, you're going to have profitability issues
12:26 🔗 joepie91 you have to look a little further than that.
12:27 🔗 bzc6p_ What annoys me is that so many people start such services without thinking it over, while it's not compulsory to start a service.
12:27 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: it's the same shit as people trying to run these kind of services on EC2
12:27 🔗 joepie91 and S3
12:27 🔗 WubTheCap My experience tells that it needs to be a host like Portlane or LeaseWeb, because they seem to be the only sane ones with a good legal knowledge
12:27 🔗 joepie91 yes, you're going to get raped over bandwidth cost
12:27 🔗 joepie91 that's not because bandwidth is expensive
12:27 🔗 joepie91 that's because YOU PICKED FUCKING AWS
12:27 🔗 bzc6p_ We basically have three file sharing sites in Hugary now. Two of them is wise and have been up very long. They offer premium accounts, have ads, and limit file storing time.
12:28 🔗 WubTheCap And PL/LW's bandwidth pricing is pretty decent
12:28 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: https://www.gridlane.com/
12:28 🔗 joepie91 expired SSL cert.
12:28 🔗 joepie91 not a good start.
12:28 🔗 joepie91 (that's portlane.)
12:28 🔗 WubTheCap Their cert was fine a while ago, but I think that brand is quite dead anyway
12:28 🔗 joepie91 probably
12:28 🔗 WubTheCap They don't really reply to queries
12:29 🔗 WubTheCap Although querying Portlane guys do answer of course
12:29 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: anyhow, the reason I linked servercrate is because I know their abuse policy
12:29 🔗 joepie91 that is
12:29 🔗 WubTheCap Portlane allocated a /29 to me with complete WHOIS details for abuse-c and so on
12:29 🔗 joepie91 as long as you answer (forwarded) legitimate abusemail in a reasonable timespan
12:30 🔗 joepie91 all the bullshit/false reports go straight into the shredder
12:30 🔗 joepie91 so yes, you can run an image host off it
12:30 🔗 WubTheCap That's cool to hear.
12:30 🔗 joepie91 is it the best provider in the world? no, but it's Good Enough
12:30 🔗 WubTheCap Jordan: ^
12:30 🔗 joepie91 and Good Enough is what you need for this kind of service
12:30 🔗 joepie91 you're not commercial, don't have an SLA
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12:31 🔗 joepie91 if your shit is down for an hour or the latency goes up by 15ms, so be it
12:31 🔗 joepie91 (although I haven't really had any issues yet besides planned network maintenance)
12:31 🔗 WubTheCap The choice of hosting provider has never really been about SLA. LeaseWeb's best-effort 24 hour response time is often 0.5-3 hours
12:31 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: SLA towards end users, I mean
12:32 🔗 joepie91 whether implicit or otherwise
12:32 🔗 joepie91 if people pay $10/mo for a gig of space, they're going to expect it to be uyp
12:32 🔗 joepie91 up *
12:32 🔗 WubTheCap I'm not really buying into VPSes anymore, especially for a filesharing service. I say it must be a dedi or preferably colocated
12:33 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: you don't get to "preference" where it concerns non-profit services, and that's the key point that kills most of these things
12:33 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: either it meets spec, or it does not
12:33 🔗 joepie91 you approach it that way, it's perfectly viable to run
12:33 🔗 joepie91 you don't, and it's not
12:33 🔗 WubTheCap I (almost) have the resources to run a really serious Pomf clone with funding for years to come, but I have no interest to run it on PHP/MySQL
12:33 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: so hire a dev :)
12:33 🔗 WubTheCap Well, I am the current maintainer for Pomf code
12:34 🔗 joepie91 aha.
12:34 🔗 WubTheCap Luminarys is working on a clone in Elixir
12:34 🔗 WubTheCap Someone also made one in NodeJS but that's not interesting
12:34 🔗 joepie91 (what's with the recent surge in popularity for Elixir?)
12:34 🔗 WubTheCap Actually, Luminarys' clone Fuwa.se runs on the Elixir code
12:35 🔗 WubTheCap I'm still saying, 60 EUR/month colocation is very well possible and reasonable for Pomf clones, small to medium-large.
12:36 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: 60EUR/mo is way too much for a small image host.
12:36 🔗 joepie91 medium-large, perhaps
12:36 🔗 joepie91 but it's not going to be sustainable for a small one
12:36 🔗 WubTheCap s/medium-large/medium/, maybe you need to up the bandwidth costs a little for Pomf.se size (120 EUR/month was it?)
12:36 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: and be aware of Leaseweb's overage policy, if that's what you're thinking of
12:36 🔗 joepie91 an AnonOps oper once git hit with a 2k+ overage bill after getting hit with DDoS
12:36 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: Considering other things you can do on the colocated server, i.e. IRC server or a mailing list, it's reasonable.
12:36 🔗 joepie91 on a <50/mo server
12:37 🔗 WubTheCap The colocated server I have at Portlane costs 60 EUR/month and runs an IRC server for 40 people.
12:37 🔗 WubTheCap I have no issue with it.
12:37 🔗 WubTheCap It's the only thing way that has satisfied me.
12:37 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: IRC rarely brings in much $
12:37 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: It's not about getting revenue anyway.
12:37 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: this discussion kind of was ;)
12:37 🔗 WubTheCap It's a community service, much like Pomf clones are.
12:37 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: yes, but the problem was sustainability
12:38 🔗 joepie91 hence "you're not going to make it with 60/mo for a small site"
12:38 🔗 joepie91 because you're very unlikely to consistently get that many contributions or even paid memberships
12:38 🔗 WubTheCap For my own interests, it is "self-sustainable" at that small scale with any decent personal income and interest to run a service.
12:38 🔗 joepie91 conversion rate for this kind of thing is extremely low
12:39 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: isn't that what all the other clone operators thought?
12:39 🔗 WubTheCap But anyway, the 30 EUR/month is the smallest I can accept for a LeaseWeb dedi to run one of these clones
12:39 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: Most of the current clones run on cheap 5-20 EUR/month OVH boxes. Not good enough for me, because OVH is unreliable.
12:40 🔗 WubTheCap The worst are the 5 EUR/month RamNode VPSes
12:40 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: for what definition of "unreliable"?
12:40 🔗 WubTheCap Like openhost.xyz
12:40 🔗 joepie91 (ramnode is just fine, but their abuse policy is strict)
12:40 🔗 joepie91 (not advisable for running filehosting on)
12:40 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: OVH's support doesn't speak fluent English and isn't timely (pay for what you get), and their abuse desk will terminate you on third abuse notice (valid or not)
12:40 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: agreed with first point, but the second point is much more unpredictable
12:41 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: They are not okay with freedom of speech either. WHOIS backups will get you terminated at RamNode.
12:41 🔗 joepie91 sometimes they will trash abusemail for years
12:41 🔗 WubTheCap T
12:41 🔗 joepie91 sometimes they will terminate you on first notice
12:41 🔗 joepie91 (OVH)
12:41 🔗 WubTheCap RamNode also spams customers with newsletters with no opt-out
12:41 🔗 WubTheCap No ethics there
12:41 🔗 joepie91 "WHOIS backups"?
12:41 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: User-generated post with copy-pasted WHOIS from a domain
12:41 🔗 WubTheCap "Remove this or get suspended"
12:41 🔗 joepie91 terminated based on what?
12:42 🔗 joepie91 because that doesn't sound consistent with my experiences
12:42 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: Because RamNode received an abuse complaint about the subject and the "customer must take action to stop these abuse notices", hence "must remove the notice"
12:42 🔗 WubTheCap https://8ch.net/fuck_ramnode.txt
12:42 🔗 joepie91 right. that would be the strict abuse handling I mentioned before
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12:42 🔗 WubTheCap https://partyvan.eu/transparency/emails/2015-04-15-ramnode-spam.txt
12:43 🔗 WubTheCap (Calling him a jew may have been an overreach but that
12:43 🔗 WubTheCap but everything else I still stand behind)
12:45 🔗 HCross WubTheCap, tried OVH London support? They are good
12:45 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: I believe I've already commented on this in the LET thread back then :)
12:45 🔗 WubTheCap HCross: I haven't, ask Jordan though
12:45 🔗 HCross I had a PSU go, and had it replaced while on the phone to them and was back in under 10 mins
12:45 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: I don't remember what you may have said, but I knew LET would be very ignorant on it anyway
12:46 🔗 WubTheCap It's spam anyway
12:46 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: sending transactional email about active services is normal, legal, expected, and not spam
12:46 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: I don't believe marketing was the topic there
12:46 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: Sending unsolicited and bulk email is spam.
12:46 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: it is not unsolicited if it is transactional.
12:46 🔗 joepie91 by definition.
12:46 🔗 WubTheCap You need consent, and spam laws like CAN-SPAM are not up to date with what M3AAWG would agree with
12:47 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: you're arbitrarily reinventing the term "spam" here, and it makes no sense whatsoever
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12:47 🔗 WubTheCap Respectively, Portlane has never bugged me with network service emails and I am really happy with that.
12:47 🔗 joepie91 completely missing the intention behind spam legislation
12:47 🔗 notjack What do you guys suggest if I wanted to hide something from google as it's a hidden thing fro a friend unrelated to the site's content?
12:47 🔗 WubTheCap joepie91: I am not reinventing it. See Spamhaus' definition. Maybe M3AAWG agrees.
12:47 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: transactional email is not spam, end of story. not legally, not in spirit.
12:47 🔗 joepie91 WubTheCap: I do not give a flying fuck about spamhaus
12:48 🔗 WubTheCap Then we're done here
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12:50 🔗 joepie91 yeah, you're not going to get very far if you're going to argue about a provider "sending spam" based on "whatever spamhaus says"
12:54 🔗 joepie91 and in the meantime I'm talking to somebody who posts drivel like "No am calling for their removal, if they refuse lethal force may be used (they are attacking lorry drivers in france with knives etc), we cannot allow them people to take over our country or use our countries systems they can go back home as they are not wanted here by any of us apart from Leftists and the criminal group anonymous."
12:54 🔗 * joepie91 sighs
12:55 🔗 joepie91 I'm not doing well on the brain cell retention front today.
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15:37 🔗 SimpBrain france aint having much luck
15:37 🔗 SimpBrain train derails in france
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16:00 🔗 SimpBrain https://twitter.com/le_Parisien/status/665547533540814848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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16:08 🔗 joepie91 jesus
16:09 🔗 SimpBrain new paris hashtag to find lost ones, https://twitter.com/hashtag/rechercheParis?src=hash
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20:20 🔗 PurpleSym Is sourceforge down?
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20:24 🔗 Barry seems so
20:24 🔗 JesseW thats ... alarming
20:25 🔗 Barry or at least the dns seems to be
20:25 🔗 PurpleSym DNS record for TLD is missing.
20:25 🔗 aaaaaaaaa it has been up and down for the past week
20:26 🔗 PurpleSym *SLD, actually
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20:27 🔗 xmc wfm % host sourcefroge.net
20:27 🔗 xmc sourcefroge.net has address 103.224.182.253
20:27 🔗 aaaaaaaaa also, what is the point of having https://twitter.com/sfnet_ops if you aren't going to be accurate?
20:27 🔗 xmc oh, uh, obvious typo is obvious
20:34 🔗 PurpleSym Ah, there we go. Just a hiccup.
20:34 🔗 JesseW we should probably move the sourceforge warrior job up in priority, though
20:35 🔗 HCross How were the communications with SF going
20:35 🔗 JesseW don't know
20:35 🔗 JesseW what we currently need is an rsync target for the ADrive warrior project...
20:35 🔗 JesseW i.e. someone with access to FOS...
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21:18 🔗 godane i'm up to july 3 2004 with kpfa
21:19 🔗 godane also i have up to july 25 2004 on my hard drive
21:19 🔗 JesseW nice!
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22:50 🔗 Start http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/06/startup_founder_taken_hostage_by_laidoff_workers_in_india/
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