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As I told you last month I bought a lot of 1800 various compact discs; I received them (two boxes of over 50 pounds each in weight) and after sorting that I ended with three stacks of about 1 feet each in height only for the CD-ROM softwares (without their jewel cases) who are in good condition and readable... I'm going to rip, scan and upload that on the usual FTP server in the next months... |
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Wait let me get this straight, correct me if I'm wrong. "...trading copyrighted material to which you do not own the copyright is illegal." Umm, no, I don't think so. What's illegal is keeping a copy of something after trading away the original, or vice versa. In other words, it's perfectly legal to trade one item for another. If I've got the CD of Abbey Road, and you've got the LP — both copyrighted material, I don't think there's anything illegal a |
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bout me giving you the CD and you giving me the LP since I like the sound of vinyl better and you like the sound of digital better. What would be illegal is if I kept a rip of the CD on my computer *and* gave you the CD. |
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random rant response to http://nymusigal.blogspot.ca/2009/05/this-issue-of-piracy.html |
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ITT: people do not understand copyright or why it exists |
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TIL Iowa exists |
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kyan |
One of my dreams is to create a structured database à la MusicBrainz that collects and organizes information from the Internet using a recursive method inspired by IA's derive system |
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archiving everything along the way |
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Unfortunately I haven't gotten around to it yet. |
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what are some examples of what that would do |
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Mm, one type of thing it could do: I'm looking for a copy of the book "On Surprises, Generosity, The Blue Horse of the Himalayan Hill" |
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It's a fairly rare, unpopular book. |
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Assuming the database had all the possible records in it that are publicly available online, I could type in the title, and it would point out related data entities |
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such as: library holding records, Ebay listings, Amazon listings, the data record for the author |
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the data record for the series it's in, the year it was published, what kind of paper it's printed on, and other metadata, |
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the original MSRP, etc etc. |
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Which isn't that different from OpenLibrary — but my idea is that it would be less specific in focus, so clicking on the author would also reveal genealogical information about them, and so you could search with relationship queries e.g. "return a list of all musicians who are in the family tree of the author of this book" |
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and assuming it had ingested MusicBrainz, WorldCat, and Ancestry.com, it could probably do a pretty good job at figuring out what I want. |
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yipdw: essay above ^ |
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(I did my senior exhibition at high school on the development of such a database. It had a number of architectural problems though that made it a real pain in the ass to maintain, so I am going to start over, at some point, even though it's been 3 years or so since I last got anything substantial done on it) |
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(It also doesn't help that I've been spending most of my time laying in bed being depressed and watching anime and YouTube videos.) |
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yipdw |
this sounds like the Semantic Web |
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Yes, that is one of the ideas that inspired it. My proposal is centralized, and would me maintained as part of an NGO-run ecovillage |
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It's also sort of similar to Ted Nelson's "Project Xanadu" |
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kyan |
Unfortunately I'm a socially isolated weird guy, and not particularly good at practical thinking, planning, business skills, or focusing on work and not getting distracted. |
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Which means my project despite being *incredibly amazing* is somewhat dead in the water at the moment. (Mom, the project is floating!) |
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I think I'm pretty good at envisioning my ideas, mediocre at expressing them, and pisspoor at execution and social interaction |
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yep. |
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I like it though. It's kinda my life's work (at least when I'm not watching anime) |
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JesseW, I'm going for the test run on IA metadata, first target - shards from IA.BAK |
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vitzli: awesome! |
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(note to self): next step on new IA census -- convert the remaining 3 tries of file size files into file hash files. |
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ia-mine worked relatively well, can't get around --search option - 'collection:JoePug' and 'subject:whateversubjectis' didn't work |
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ia-mine --search 'collection:JoePug' returned nothing, although there are items there. doing ia search 'collection:JoePug' | jq '.identifier' | sed -e 'whatever to remove quotes' > itemlist and then doing ia-mine itemlist.txt worked well |
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not sed, tr -d '"' |
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ah, I think the --search option is variously borked, I'm not sure why |
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I just ran out of items in my facebook news feed. I didn't know that was really possible |
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It says to add more friends. I've already got like 50? |
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JesseW has now extracted hashes from the 3 other tries of getting data for the census, and is now merging them into one file. |
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which I think is suitable to be uploaded. |
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along with the file size json file compatible with the previous census |
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has anyone concidered the idea of a 'archiveteam' cloud. One we could all offer some space to, via a vpn'd network or something? |
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SmileyG |
I have a few Tb spare these days |
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sort of like a bittorent based storage setup? |
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yipdw |
I would hate trying to pull stuff out of that |
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yeah |
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yipdw: hmmm we could have replication for speed? i guess? |
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it's not speed, it's dealing with nodes going offline |
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I have 5Mb/s upload |
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SmileyG |
nod, replicate, |
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and maybe the ability to 'force' local copies |
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so say I have some data I concider important |
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yipdw |
this is #internetarchive.bak |
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SmileyG |
I can throw it up in that, other people get a copy, but I keep mine |
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hmmmm, we aren't internetarchive, so what is that channel? |
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yipdw |
this is #internetarchive.bak, repurposed |
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SmileyG |
:D |
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HCross |
SmileyG, a backup of the internet archive |
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:O |
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ok i wasn't thinking _that_ bad |
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I just saw HCross and someone else asking about 30Tb storage |
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and between a few of us I figure it's plausible |
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with 3:1 replication or maybe higher, we could 'amost' trust it :/ |
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if people wanna throw money at renting online storage, S3, etc, let em |
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I'm interested mainly for myself, but it'd be interesting project. |
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I think the 80% solution is to pool money into some account and use that to rent some VPS with assload TB of storage |
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If I wasn't jobless right now I'd offer to do that |
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yipdw |
anyway, the real reason I asked about it is that I can't get docstoc off because it looks like my IA account is in some sort of limbo |
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SmileyG |
but no moneys. |
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SmileyG |
create another account? |
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yipdw |
I don't know if that'd help |
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yipdw |
Jason and I have been over the permissions and they all check out |
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yipdw |
what's the IA IRC channel again? |
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yipdw |
it's #internetarchive but I forget which network |
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HCross |
here |
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yipdw |
oh |
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yipdw |
oh that's the unofficial channel, ha |
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yipdw |
hmmmm |
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hmmm theres appently one on freenode |
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SmileyG |
hmm they dead |
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SmileyG, im the only one in #internetarchive over there |
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yipdw |
I guess I could post on the IA forums |
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heh |
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actually, why not, it's the only thing I haven't tried |
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ivan` |
SmileyG: I've squirreled away 192TB into Google Drive so far. perhaps a good option. |
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SmileyG |
o_O |
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SmileyG |
how much that costing? |
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ivan` |
$50/mo |
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not bad |
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schbirid |
:O |
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SmileyG |
but again, util I have a job |
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SmileyG |
or someone steps up saying they'll pay it, and we can trust em :/ |
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(not saying I don't trust people, but things happen and people disappear) |
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ivan` |
I wrote a whole filesystem for squirreling away that much data but it kind of sucks for being written in node.js and not transparently packing small files so I mostly gave up on the existing codebase |
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ivan` |
(Google Drive has limits on files uploaded per hour, but not on size) |
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SmileyG |
per hour? |
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i use rdrive and it only sleeps for 2 secobds brfore trying again |
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ivan` |
the limits were significantly lowered, perhaps for me specifically, back in november, and I can now upload only ~1 file every 3 seconds |
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ivan` |
many of my requests hang for a long time and then get an Internal Error reply which is probably just some sloppy throttling code |
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ivan` |
and this applies to every single request I make including directory listings from the web interface |
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kyan |
That's annoying. |
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ivan` |
can't complain too much given how unprofitable my account is |
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ivan` |
not that there's anyone to complain too given google's completely useless support |
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ivan` |
s/too/to/ |
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wyatt8760 |
smileyG: glad I'm not the only one jobless :( |
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for me it's because I don't have a degree, so no one will even notice that "oh, this guy can program in C and Java and Python and multiple assembly languages, and he can design some electronic circuits" |
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wyatt8760: :/ |
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SmileyG |
I'm not a programmer |
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SmileyG |
if i was, sigh, lots of jobs around |
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SmileyG: I'm not really either |
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I prefer electronics :) |
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SmileyG |
but yeah I can imagine without the proof, it's hard to pick one up |
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wyatt8760 |
but every god damn job out there (in Fort Wayne at least) lists a bachelors' degree requirement |
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or else some expensive-ass certificate from microsoft or the linux foundation |
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or my favorite, "prior work experience" |
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hobbies not counting |
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what do you do, though? |
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joepie91 |
wyatt8760: mind, job ads lie |
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joepie91 |
ignore bachelors requirements and such |
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wyatt8760 |
alright, I've kinda been doing that |
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wyatt8760 |
sometimes |
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joepie91 |
wyatt8760: just do it all the time :) |
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wyatt8760: apply for what -you- think you would be sufficiently competent at, regardless of what it says in the requirements list, and just make sure to outline your personal projects and what they show / have made you good at / etc |
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wyatt8760: worst case, they will reject your application |
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wyatt8760 |
yeah :\ |
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wyatt8760 |
too bad that IBM mainframes job requires experience and isn't hiring an intern to learn |
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wyatt8760 |
that sounds interesting to me |
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wyatt8760 |
:\ |
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still, found some other things |
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SmileyG |
wyatt8760: where you located btw? |
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nickname_ |
Does anyone know what timezone most people are active in irc? |
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wyatt8760 |
smileyG: Fort Wayne, Indiana |
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SmileyG |
IRC in total, or this channel? |
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SmileyG |
wyatt8760: k, if anyone tells me about any jobs around there I'll ping ya |
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wyatt8760 |
G.E.'s moving out and magnavox is long gone from fort wayne sadly |
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SmileyG |
it's doubtful, but sometimes people come up with the oddest things. |
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wyatt8760 |
(the two things we had) :p |
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wyatt8760 |
also we had Philo Farnsworth but he's been dead for around 50 years |
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nickname_ |
This channel |
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nickname_ |
and the other archiveteam channels |
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wyatt8760 |
yeah? |
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wyatt8760 |
I think _probably_ either EST or west coast |
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wyatt8760 |
no wait. |
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wyatt8760 |
maybe central, since there'll be some from both coasts on then? (not that america is the only country in the world)( |
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nickname_ |
I have a youtube channel dump, how should I upload it? |
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nickname_ |
and in what format? |
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wyatt8760 |
best quality of the original video downloads |
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wyatt8760 |
whatever format that may be |
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wyatt8760 |
probably h264 or for very old ones flv |
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nickname_ |
No, the dump is already downloaded with youtube-dl |
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wyatt8760 |
my favorite tool^ |
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wyatt8760 |
then use whatever it downloaded as the format |
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nickname_ |
Should I compress it? |
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nickname_ |
(I'm uploading to archive.org) |
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wyatt8760 |
I'd say no. But it's been a while since I uploaded there |
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wyatt8760 |
definitely no lossy re-encodes |
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wyatt8760 |
It's better if you don't because it can stream that way |
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nickname_ |
It's with xml annotations, json info, and mkv video |
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wyatt8760 |
if the filenames match for the xml, json, and mkv's, that's good |
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wait, can't MKV contain essentially arbitrary data? |
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and does anyone here remember if archive.org auto-decompresses archives? |
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nickname_ |
The channel also contained copyrighted content... will that be taken down? |
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wyatt8760 |
maybe. |
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but I've been told to do it anyway |
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wyatt8760 |
if it is the archive holds onto it, but removes it from the site |
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wyatt8760 |
(presumably so when it eventually lapses into public domain it can be re-listed) |
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wyatt8760 |
(unless it's Mickey Mouse related and will presumably still be copyrighted when I die) |
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nickname_ |
The channel hosts previews of TV shows, generally cartoons |
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nickname_ |
But these are not Disney cartoons |
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wyatt8760 |
that was a joke :) |
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wyatt8760 |
yeah, do it |
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nickname_ |
I know |
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wyatt8760 |
server error 500 on archive.org |
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wyatt8760 |
nice |
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wyatt8760 |
I was just going to look at my last upload |
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nickname_ |
Should I keep the original video title? |
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wyatt8760 |
I'd say yes. At least make sure it's in metadata somewhere |
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nickname_ |
It's uploading |
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SmileyG |
>=app-eselect/eselect-python-20151117-r1 required by (dev-lang/python-3.3.5-r7:3.3/3.3m::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) |
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SmileyG |
>=app-eselect/eselect-python-20151117-r1 required by (dev-lang/python-2.7.11-r2:2.7/2.7::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) |
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SmileyG |
whoops, wrong chnnale |
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nickname_ |
Now I wait in queue |
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nickname_ |
of twelve thousand and something |
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nickname_ |
good ol' youtube-dl |
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SmileyG |
o_O why is tehre a queue o_O |
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I have to wait in a virtual "line" while my archive.org webpage is being created |
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Someone stole my username |
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I remember when nickname was not taken |
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joepie91 |
definitely never compress prior to upload |
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joepie91 |
let IA handle that |
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kyan |
if i've got 100gb of plaintext log files i'm definitely running them through xz before i upload lol |
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nickname_ |
Oh, no it's an archive of a youtube channel -- with metadata, and the video and a thumbnail, etc |
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kyan |
that wouldn't compress well at all. it would make more sense to just upload as is |
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it'll be more useful that way too |
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nickname_ |
I know |
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oui, archive.org is slow |
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How do you make a collection? |
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HCross2 |
nickname_: an administrator needs to do it |
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nickname_ |
oh okay |
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