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so i found the biggest number of missing videos so far is in the 15xxx area |
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one was the zelda twilgiht wii review : https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video15232 |
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xmc: this one was also marked as spam: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video15996 |
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xmc: another one blocked for no reason : https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video16371 |
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its a xplay super paper mario review |
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i mean |
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it's interesting |
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but i can't do anything about it |
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g4tv.com-video19398: X-Play Holiday Buyer's Guide: PSP : https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video19398 |
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SAVED |
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whydomain |
PurpleSym: how do you know how many groups are public / private? I've started scanning the info JSON page for every group, but it will take a while and I though I'd ask in case you'd already done this |
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whydomain: Checked the messagesVis attribute of each group. |
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whydomain |
Did you keep the JSON info page for each group? (I need to see how many have messageVis = SUBSCRIBERS and memberShipType = OPEN) |
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whydomain |
Those are the private groups I think I can archive |
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PurpleSym |
Yes, kept them. |
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whydomain |
Clarification: I need to know _which_ groups have the above, not how many! |
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whydomain |
Any way you could send them to me (How many GB?) |
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whydomain |
Or are they on IA? |
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PurpleSym |
They should be up on IA in one or two of the first items I uploaded. |
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But I have everything on my server as well and could assemble a list of private groups. It might take a while though. |
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whydomain |
No worries, I think I've found it: https://archive.org/details/yahoo_groups ? |
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whydomain |
(I've got a server I can run this on) |
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Yeah, should be in there. |
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g4tv.com-video22957: 3D Tour Guide : https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video22957 |
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inb4 darked |
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i'm watching this full episode of the Screen Savers : https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video23235 |
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godane |
its in 56k |
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HCross |
http://archive.org oops. we killed it |
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Sanqui |
did anybody grab a copy? |
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HCross |
xD |
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ndizzle |
http://web.archive.bibalex.org/web/20010919000000/http://www.archive.org/ |
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ndizzle is now known as ndiddy |
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ndiddy |
oh god, they screwed up their cpature |
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HCross |
isnt that archiveception? |
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ndiddy |
looks like every capture since 2001 has been filed into one day in september |
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ndiddy |
http://web.archive.bibalex.org/web/*/http://archive.org |
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JW_work1 |
niddy — afaik, bibalex is … less than maintained. |
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DoomTay |
I think I just short-circuited the Internet Archiving website during one of my archiving projects |
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DoomTay |
Anyone know of any kind of thing that'll help with mass IA archiving? |
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....and it went into maintenance mode. Terriffic |
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Oh man, I think I'm growing out of my favorite shirt |
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HCross |
DoomTay, xmc its basically https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ftp-queue but with a metric fuckton of FTP sites |
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HCross |
3098 now |
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xmc |
i assume this is some sort of ls-lR sort of thing |
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HCross |
yes also #effteepee |
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godane |
I'm going after Verity Baptist sermons mp3s |
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godane |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/15/its-not-a-tragedy-pastor-who-delivered-controversial-sermon-on-orlando-massacre-refuses-to-retract-comments/ |
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godane |
the website is in archivebot and mp3s for 2016 at least are downloading fast |
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godane |
looks like sermons go back to 2011 |
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DoomTay: I'd be surprised if you broke it. somebody else is reporting intermittent responses to pings but the weathermap isn't showing congestion, so my bets right now would be on some piece of networking gear having gone boom |
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https://twitter.com/AttackNodes/status/743154643820253184 |
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Meroje |
Someone is claiming to DDoS |
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Frogging |
they make it sound like the Archive is doing something wrong |
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Frogging |
what could they be angry about |
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Frogging |
:p |
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Meroje |
there may be clues on the discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11911926 |
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Meroje |
apparently IA backed up some ISIS content |
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DoomTay |
Yikes |
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Frogging |
wouldn't it easier to talk to info@ |
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DoomTay |
I once emailed info@ about a small bug with their toolbar. I never got a response |
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DoomTay |
That was 3 months ago |
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DoomTay |
So my guess would be no |
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xmc |
info@ is answered by one or two people, they don't always get back to you |
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xmc |
but they do do things |
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xmc |
i hate it when people come into this channel and assume that IA is staffed by assholes who don't respond |
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xmc |
i hate it when people come into this channel and get upset that there isn't talking within the first two minutes after they join |
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alfie |
anyone got anything on the ia downtime? just curious more than anything |
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xmc |
they're being ddosed because people on the internet are little shits |
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alfie |
right, fair |
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alfie |
anyone claiming responsibility, or some skid with a botnet? |
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xmc |
https://twitter.com/AttackNodes/status/743154643820253184 |
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Frogging |
[18:00:40] <@xmc> i hate it when people come into this channel and get upset that there isn't talking within the first two minutes after they join |
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Frogging |
all too common on IRC |
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Frogging |
:p |
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xmc |
alfie: if you read back just 20 messages you'll see eXACTLY that |
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xmc |
Frogging: i know and that doesn't excuse it |
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alfie |
xmc: on mobile, don't have my scrollback, apologies |
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joepie91 |
fucking hell |
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alfie |
o/ joepie91 |
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joepie91 |
opisis, _again_? |
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DoomTay |
Even in my case, Mibbit doesn't display messages prior to my arrival |
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alfie |
joepie91: yup, aka people blatantly not understanding the mission of the internet archive and being upset someone mirrored ISIS-related stuff at the IA |
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joepie91 |
grumble |
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joepie91 |
does opisis still live on anonops? |
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joepie91 |
if so, I might go shout at some morons |
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joepie91 |
gain |
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joepie91 |
again* |
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DoomTay |
Next think you know, someone will try and physically destroy IA's servers |
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alfie |
DoomTay: fucking hope not, we need those for, like, serving |
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alfie |
joepie91: if you do, pls2logs : |
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yipdw |
it's good to see disagreements on the internet handled so gracefully |
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yipdw: it's not even a disagreement, it's people just being worthless at the whole "thinking critically" thing |
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Lord_Nigh |
so what exactly did they do? did they actually break the webhost and registrar, or is it juts plain botnet DDOS? |
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Lord_Nigh |
how quicky do these douchebags usually give up? |
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xmc |
Lord_Nigh: what are you talking about, "webhost and registrar"? |
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Lord_Nigh |
ok, well, some sites use secondary hosting or a colo provider |
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Lord_Nigh |
that's what i meant by 'webhost'r |
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Lord_Nigh |
registrar i meant if someone tried to engineer or sieze the 'archive.org' name itself |
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xmc |
archive.org is completely self-hosted |
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xmc |
they have their own AS number and IP space and transit |
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yipdw |
https://monitor.archive.org/weathermap/weathermap.html might help |
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xmc |
as much a first-class citizen of the internet as one can be |
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yipdw |
though it is kinda weird that there's no reddish arrows on there; maybe something else is off |
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yipdw |
oh well I'm sure they're on it |
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we got some sharp ones on the internet today, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11911926 |
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oink, oink |
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arkiver |
are you AttackNodes? |
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arkiver, christ no |
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arkiver |
haha ok |
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arkiver |
nvm |
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DoomTay |
Suddenly I started thinking of this other guy who had a Twitter and whose name escapes me who would hack various subreddits |
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Yeah, bummer on the DDOS |
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xmc |
they'll burn out sooner or later |
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SketchCow |
Exactly |
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xmc |
IA isn't losing ad revenue, they'll be here tomorrow |
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SketchCow |
We're saving money today |
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Spring |
it's eye-rolling when these types consider a ddos the equivalent of 'hacking' or whathaveyou |
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Spring |
I mean, so they organize a ddos and say 'yippie ki-yay' on social media to feel good about themselves, and the site's down for a bit but so what? It's self-serving BS. |
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Spring |
it's like the script kiddie version of a selfie |
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xmc |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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DoomTay |
Anyone heard of Lizard Squad? |
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DoomTay |
Another hacking group that claimed responsibility for taking down PSN, Xbox Live, and other places |
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DoomTay |
Who knows why except for the sake of being assholes |
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DoomTay |
It pwobably wouldn't be surprising if someone tried to take down IA because they felt the concept of archiving digital stuff was playing God or some BS like that |
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arkiver |
I think in this case they are angry because of the IS propaganda on IA |
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can't even tell if it's the spam they're referring to or the web archives |
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Spring |
but seriously, what legit nerd on earth doesn't know who archive.org are and what they represent? |
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xmc |
lots |
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http://kmkeen.com/maintainers-matter/ <- I vehemently agree with this. It's what I've been trying to say for a while. |
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JW_work1 |
the comments here are worth reading, though: http://lwn.net/Articles/691537/ |
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joepie91 |
JW_work1: I think it makes some great points, but I also think it wrongly conflates "maintainer" and "packager" |
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joepie91 |
and that conflation makes it impossible to consider alternative solutions, such as ISV-provided configuration flags that are individually set for a distribution by maintainers |
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joepie91: hm, quite possibly. Say more? |
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alfie |
joepie91: you're colossally awful at paying attention to notifications, XMPP? :P |
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joepie91 |
or maintainers providing modified packages that are provided by the ISV originally, but modified by the maintainer to include eg. a "less spying" mode by default |
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joepie91 |
but WITHOUT removing the possibility to use the ISV version |
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joepie91 |
(at which point the ISV would still be the packager, and the maintainer would only do the QC part) |
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joepie91 |
alfie: not really, I just prioritize things :P |
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joepie91 |
I will eventually read things |
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JW_work1 |
Hm. |
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joepie91 |
JW_work1: so basically, *right now* these are the same people |
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Yeah, I also agree that the essay is not particularly clear on that, and that is a weakness. |
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joepie91 |
as in, people are both packager and maintainer |
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joepie91 |
but that does not necessarily need to be the case |
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JW_work1: Nix is an interesting example of something like this, actually |
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joepie91 |
JW_work1: almost every package in nixpkgs is based on the ISV-provided tarball |
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joepie91 |
with only two kinds of patches: |
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1) build fix patches, eg. to make it build in a Nix environment because otherwise it will just not compile - these essentially just recreate the ISV's intention, but within the context of Nix |
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joepie91 |
2) application patches, eg. to change behaviour or disable/remove features - these are configurable with installation flags |
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nice |
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joepie91 |
it transparently provides pre-built binaries where available, but the ISV-provided sources are the canonical version |
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joepie91 |
and it will usually default to the "better config" for the second type of patch, but still allow you to turn it off |
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joepie91 |
to get a 'vanilla' install |
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joepie91 |
so yeah, I think that's pretty close to the solution already |
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joepie91 |
JW_work1: a very specific criticism of that article, btw |
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joepie91 |
"The promise: A universal package means that ISVs don't need be aware of every distro and its unique quirks. |
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joepie91 |
The reality: They don't need to and never have. Put out the sources with a makefile. The maintainers can handle the rest. It's what we do. Heck, the makefile is optional. We can write one. (But please merge it when we send a pull request!)" |
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joepie91 |
that's not really true |
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the ISV does not care about what the distros do |
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it only cares about presenting its software to users |
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which means they have one of two choices |
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either 1) wait for maintainers to do it, have them potentially package outdated versions and have to deal with this, or have maintainers outright reject inclusion for potentially arbitrary reasons, or even weird stuff like the Node.js naming conflict that has caused issues for years |
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or 2) package it themselves and now they need to know all distro quirks |
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if an ISV wants their application to be universally available to Linux users regardless of their distro, then they MUST know the quirks of all of the distros |
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