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Somebody2 |
Lord_Nigh: Considering the IA staffer in question was Jason, I think a more likely case than legal is "Jason is known to oppose robots.txt entirely, so ask him not to talk about IA's policies on it" |
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Lord_Nigh |
hmm. could be. |
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Lord_Nigh |
he may be pissed off about the current situation but his hands are tied |
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Lord_Nigh |
who knows |
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Somebody2 |
If some *other* IA staffer were to say "I'm actually not allowed to comment on the robots.txt thing", I'd be a lot more likely to point to legal stuff. |
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Lord_Nigh |
true |
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Lord_Nigh |
for all i know the entire "sudden change" in the way robots.txt is a bug |
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Lord_Nigh |
but if so i have no idea who is in charge of fixing it |
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Somebody2 |
I have no doubt Jason would prefer to see the Wayback Machine ignore robots.txt, but I am also certain it isn't his decision. |
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Somebody2 |
And I know he pissed off various people when he talked about the proposed changes earlier, so it doesn't surprise me *at all* that he was asked not to talk about it further. |
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Somebody2 |
pissed off various people *OUTSIDE IA* |
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Somebody2 |
important clarification. |
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Somebody2 |
I have no idea what anyone actually connected with IA felt about it. |
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Somebody2 |
I'm also pretty amused/frustrated by MogMiner's comment: "given how open IA usually is, I'm just baffled why this is such a touchy subject with them" |
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Somebody2 |
It's really *obvious* to me at least why this is a touchy subject! |
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Somebody2 |
IA's fundamental way to deal with people upset about them distributing stuff is to say, "OK, sorry, we've stopped now. Bye!" |
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Somebody2 |
Adjusting robots.txt functionality in Wayback (either way) affects that -- *of course* they are touchy about it! |
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Somebody2 |
And the tactic (of saying, sorry-we've-stopped-now) works better the less attention is paid to it -- so minimizing what is said about things ... |
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Somebody2 |
... associated with the topic is basic sensible strategy. |
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Somebody2 |
OK, rant over. |
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bsmith093 |
tapedrive: http://database.savefanfiction.tk/ throws a 404 Sorry, the requested URLÂ 'http://database.savefanfiction.tk/'Â caused an error:Not found: '/' |
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Somebody2 goes to read the source code of ia-mine again |
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jrwr |
Somebody2: also don't prevent from saving anyway and just not displaying |
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jrwr |
gotta think of the long game :) |
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Somebody2 |
jrwr: wait, what? |
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Somebody2 |
I think I forgot the thread of this conversation. |
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jrwr |
Yarg! Evil Robots.txt |
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jrwr |
:) |
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Somebody2 is still confused |
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jrwr |
Somebody2: Having Wayback ignore Robots.txt, it could still store and not display |
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jrwr |
I would suspect that is whats going on |
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Somebody2 |
Ah, I see. |
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jrwr |
I bet its just some temp bullshit going down |
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Somebody2 |
I agree that is likely, yes. |
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jrwr |
Somebody2: just got done setting up a Onion Enabled ArchiveBot |
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Somebody2 |
jrwr: I saw -- good work! |
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jrwr |
I feel like that is a ever growing gap |
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jrwr |
I know there can be some crazy shit, but its still our culture |
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davidar |
another possibility is that they're trying different robots.txt behaviours to see how much people complain about them, perhaps |
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Somebody2 |
davidar: that's an ... amusing ... possibility |
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jrwr |
hahaha |
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jrwr |
I love it |
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jrwr |
I went on a watching spree of defcon and other con videos |
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jrwr |
man I think ive watched over 3-4 hours of SketchCow talking now |
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Somebody2 |
jrwr: only 4 hours? There's lots more... |
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jrwr |
I know, just haven't hunted them down "yet" |
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Somebody2 |
jrwr: http://ascii.textfiles.com/speaking |
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jrwr adds it to his watch list |
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Somebody2 |
jrwr: it's a list, not a specific one |
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jrwr |
Im adding them all |
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Somebody2 |
nods |
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jrwr |
He is good fun |
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jrwr |
Right now im watching 3C33 on a 6502 found in a cable box |
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Somebody2 is intending to watch the rest of the "Update or Die" conference videos here: https://www.youtube.com/user/phicentre/videos |
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jrwr |
I don't know why, but i love the 6502, I've done a ton of arcade machine repair and love the layout it promotes |
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jrwr |
I need to publish my work on a clip on SRAM tester and 6502 Debugger |
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jrwr |
it uses a fuck ton of pogo pins, but allows me to sniff all the data off the 6502 as it comes in and out, and the rPi keeps up with it in a 6502 emulated CPU, this allows the rPi to in theory replace the 6502 on board |
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davidar |
according to https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-search-engines-dont-work-well-for-web-archives/#comment-359347 "ia_archiver" isn't even wayback's useragent (anymore?) |
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Somebody2 |
davidar: interesting |
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arkiver: I'm still seeing the infinite 206s for IMzy |
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MrRadar |
It's not on every item, but I've got a big backlog of items on my VPSes with them |
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MrRadar: isn't that expected? 206 just means there's more to download |
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MrRadar |
But fot literally 3000+ requests in a row? |
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MrRadar |
3514=206 https://www.imzy.com/api/accounts/profiles/mcnulty?check=true |
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MrRadar |
For the same URL |
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Kalroth |
yeah, i got a lot of those too, i guess i assumed it was fetching some more data or something |
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Kalroth |
the page is empty, maybe it's imzys way of saying come back later? dunno |
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Kalroth |
I get different sized responses when refreshing in Chrome |
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MrRadar: i'm beginning to suspect that you're right, something is very strange with the imzy archiver |
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kanzure |
p/win 2 |
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erji0jwq9r1r0rjaodsjfiq |
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dsaffdiqi023 |
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midas |
rong. |
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MrRadar |
Verizon closed on their acquisition of Yahoo: https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/13/verizon-closes-4-5b-acquisition-of-yahoo-marissa-mayer-resigns-memo/ |
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jrwr |
Kaboom |
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jrwr |
I have a feeling its going to die now |
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its going to get renamed |
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Veriyoo |
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MrRadar |
Interesting link from /r/DataHoarder: https://it.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/6gyspx/2_tib_of_old_scene_games_finally_released/ |
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schbirid |
nice, thanks |
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jrwr |
Grab it, Catalog it, and store it |
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jrwr |
Someday, some one will want it |
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jrwr |
thats how I see it |
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jrwr |
even if they can't use it for the next 50 years |
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jrwr |
if we dont save it, no one else will, save it for the future when 100 years from now we can show them how all this went down |
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