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odemg |
"It's typically the kind of thing that's a pain to work with in a terminal" this is entirely wrong, the 'terminal' and tools you leverage and can string together inside a terminal give you a VAST flexibility over a dumb and numb gui based app |
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odemg |
also fuck windows |
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00:09
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Frogging |
yeah it's hard to give a GUI the same flexibility |
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00:12
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TBO |
I vastly prefer having a preference window with fifteen tabs containing radio buttons, fields, checkboxes |
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00:12
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astrid |
please |
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TBO |
Yeah, it's superior in ways I care much more about than the flexibility of the linux shell |
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00:14
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TBO |
I love to design UIs. |
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00:15
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TBO |
Since the specifics of a single website sweep can vary so much from another, I'd love a GUI for that |
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00:16
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TBO |
It'd be much faster to change some checkboxes than navigating through a manual building the perfect command, not necessarily knowing at first the options available to me |
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odemg |
I just puked in my mouth a little. |
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00:16
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TBO |
Figuring the various dependencies/incompatibilities between arguments and options, missings stuff I didn't know I wanted |
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00:17
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TBO |
Haha |
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TBO |
Classic elitism |
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TBO |
But yeah if you get over yourself you'll learn to love GUIs |
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00:18
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TBO |
Get a CLI for things it's good at. Navigation. Chat. Logs. Low configuration stuff. Things that actually benefit from a shell. |
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odemg |
No I wont, I've been there and short of building your own there are no gui based tools to do half the things I do on a daily basis, I can't even tell if you're a troll at this point honestly your opinion is so far from reality |
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TBO |
Yeah right, a troll |
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00:19
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TBO |
'fcourse |
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TBO |
If there's one thing I've learned having the GUI argument over the internet |
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00:20
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TBO |
linux people are the damn worse with this one |
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TBO |
I also use linux though. |
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odemg |
2 options, do it in shell or wait for a gui tool that may never come. No brainer there buddy, shell. I've been a linux user for 12 years, should I ever have to touch a windows machine I still use command prompt and even when I was running windows daily I still found myself writing my own scripts to do things gui based tools just couldn't |
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TBO |
not really a no brainer |
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00:23
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TBO |
I asked this in a bubble that seems to very much like its CLI tools |
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00:24
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TBO |
You probably wouldn't know a good GUI tool since you wouldn't actively search for it |
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astrid |
cool your jets, both of you |
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TBO |
no offense with the bubble |
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yipdw |
the popularity of console tools is because we have a bunch of one-offs, and with the current state of computing as it is, console is often the path of least resistance. it isn't some religious thing |
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00:25
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astrid |
i'm going to go out and have a beer, and i encourage you all to do something you find similarly relaxing |
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00:25
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TBO |
astrid: timezones :I |
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00:25
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astrid |
TBO: where are you? |
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00:26
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TBO |
France |
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TBO |
2:30AM |
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astrid |
;| |
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astrid |
we;lp |
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00:26
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astrid |
maybe it's bedtime :) |
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TBO |
2:30 has always been the time for bringing up religious topics D: |
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astrid |
haha, good point though |
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00:27
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astrid |
anyway. i'm in seattle and it's just after 5pm and i really shouldn't still be at the office, but, |
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00:28
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odemg |
astrid, I'm high as a kite, chill as fook. Also 230am. CLI or Die, I'm out. *Drops mic* |
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Frogging |
[20:12:37] <TBO> I vastly prefer having a preference window with fifteen tabs containing radio buttons, fields, checkboxes |
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TBO |
ya |
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Frogging |
there's nothing wrong with that but designing those things and keeping them updated takes a lot of time |
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TBO |
I also like the fact that menus are implicitly a tree view |
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01:26
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Frogging |
you could design a graphical frontend for youtube-dl :) |
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01:26
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TBO |
"i need X option, oh it must be in preferences... video... acceleration... nope, hardware then. There we are" |
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01:28
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TBO |
Instead of "i need X option, man software, try search, nope, other search, nope, okay. *squint* maybe there *scroll scroll scroll* Ah ! Acceleration ! -venable-vacc ? -no-prompt-vacc ? no...." |
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01:28
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TBO |
and occasionally missing something, trying google, but the software is a web spider and you end up looking at pictures of spiders. |
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TBO |
I hate spiders |
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01:29
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TBO |
Ah, graphical front ends |
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Frogging |
well, to be fair, I don't think taking that long list of command line options and putting them into menus would make the process a whole lot easier. you'd still have to go through all of it and find the options you need, and read the documentation to find out what they do |
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01:30
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TBO |
Yeah, I should. I was thinking about it |
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01:31
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TBO |
There's a whole lot that can be implicit through a well designed GUI |
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01:31
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TBO |
And most importantly, hidden until needed |
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01:32
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TBO |
Description goes in context menus when you hover, for choices you use radio buttons instead or checkboxes conveying if you can use one or more |
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01:33
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TBO |
It shrinks fast. At the cost of the shell. But with a front end you can even export a .sh file |
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01:33
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Soulflare |
I think I did it right? |
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01:33
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TBO |
Hm ? |
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01:33
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Soulflare |
oh wiki edit |
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TBO |
I don't know |
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01:34
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TBO |
but if you did Git's GUi you did it wrong |
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01:34
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Soulflare |
I didn't edit on github |
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01:34
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Soulflare |
I use github as pastebin mostly |
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01:35
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TBO |
Yeah sorry it was a joke but it went over your head :° |
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Soulflare |
whoosh |
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Frogging |
git has a GUI? |
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03:18
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second |
What do you guys use to organize things? |
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hook54321 |
second: What kind of things? |
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hook54321 |
In case anyone wants to archive it, the LDS Church is doing their semi-annual General Conference tomorrow and the day after. I think there are various tools to download live streams while it's going. I'm not sure if there are easy ways to save the video viewer chat though. |
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swebb sets mode: +o Jonimus |
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09:15
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JAA |
Laverne: Yes, electronic program guide data. |
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09:21
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JAA |
My Dead Format grab seems to be nearly done. 503k URLs retrieved, 14k left. |
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09:23
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JAA |
My scrapers are almost finished as well. All three-char prefixes have been scraped, four of them are still running because they're very large (and therefore slow). |
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JAA |
They discovered 18 additional users since I started the grab. Now 11550 in total. |
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schbirid |
wpullmaintenancekickstarterplz |
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dxrt |
ya |
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schbirid |
chfoo: would you be willing to work on it if money came? |
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schbirid |
brb |
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hook54321 |
Is there a way to automatically save something onto archive.is every 5 minutes? |
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ranma |
youtube-dl never ceases to amaze me |
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ranma |
how is it youtube hasn't found a way to block youtube-dl? |
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ranma |
or does it mimic a browser THAT perfectly? |
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dd0a13f37 |
They could, but then youtube-dl would update |
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dd0a13f37 |
and then they'd block it again |
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dd0a13f37 |
It's a game of cat and mouse that would drain more resources for google than youtube-dl |
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dd0a13f37 |
Since youtube-dl would probably get a few new contributors out of spite |
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dd0a13f37 |
And they can't update all the youtube applications in smart tvs, etc easily |
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dd0a13f37 |
Anyone here have vpn/live in a country where people don't care about copyright and know how to use firefox js debugger? It's just too unbearably slow in torbrowser |
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dd0a13f37 |
I've set the breakpoints, but they don't trigger even though the code is executed and everything is painfully slow |
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dd0a13f37 |
About the private trackers (adinbied godane odemg), would it be possible to archive the torrent files and metadata without the actual files? |
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dd0a13f37 |
The categorization could be useful, and you can often programatically map the well-sorted private files to the public files with heuristics (file name, extension, size, scene release lists) |
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dd0a13f37 |
So it's definitely worth saving |
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dd0a13f37 |
I asked a website to upload a site archive to archive.org. They said sure, and that they'd upload it and send me a link. Hasn't happened anything for two weeks, what should I do? |
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schbirid |
ask them nicely if you can help |
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dd0a13f37 |
He said that he would ask "his coder" to do it, so I have no idea how I would do that |
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dd0a13f37 |
The other ones haven't responded at all, but I know gmail blocks all anonymous emails. Anyone with a clean gmail/hotmail/similar address want to try to and resend my archival requests? |
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Frogging |
anonymous emails? |
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dd0a13f37 |
Emails that don't need a phonenumber to sign up |
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dd0a13f37 |
ie airmail.cc, cock.li |
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Frogging |
stupid that mandatory phone numbers for registration is even a thing |
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Frogging |
it has to be a *mobile* number too and all I have is a landline or VoIP on my mobile |
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dd0a13f37 |
Don't landlines work? You can ask them to call |
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Frogging |
I think yahoo wanted to send a text message |
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dd0a13f37 |
Were you scraping some yahoo project and needed an account? |
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Frogging |
no I wanted an account for other reasons |
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Frogging |
but it was ridiculous the hoops I had to jump through |
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dd0a13f37 |
oh ok |
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dd0a13f37 |
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/3x3161/pythongithub_mount_a_torrent_as_a_filesystem_if/ this + a huge torrent database would be extremely powerful |
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dd0a13f37 |
You could offload the parts of your data that are well seeded temporarily, e.g. if you're running a large open directory |
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dd0a13f37 |
Well, mostly everyone has a phone# |
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dd0a13f37 |
and the spammers haven't started running phone botnets yet |
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Frogging |
it'd be nice if google didn't lie about why they're asking for it. they say it's for "account recovery" |
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Frogging |
it may be used for that but that isn't why it's *required* |
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dd0a13f37 |
"It's all for your own security!" |
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dd0a13f37 |
Why does the JS debugger in firefox cause extreme lag, even when I blackbox all scripts I don't care about? I set a breakpoint, it doesn't even trigger. What's going on? |
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dd0a13f37 |
I've gotten it to work before, so it's not completely broken |
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dd0a13f37 |
Anyone here have vpn/live in a country where people don't care about copyright? It's just too unbearably slow in torbrowser? |
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dd0a13f37 |
*torbrowser. |
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Frogging |
what are you trying to do with tor browser? |
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Frogging |
I think most places don't care enough to watch people's traffic for copyright infringement |
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dd0a13f37 |
I'm trying to get the pdf files from dn.se |
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dd0a13f37 |
I'm trying to get the pdf files from dn.se |
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dd0a13f37 |
I know how to do it, but you need an encryption key which you need the js debugger to get |
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dd0a13f37 |
dn.se is a major swedish newspaper, so they would care enough to find my IP in the logs |
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Frogging |
I've used the firefox JS debugger once or twice and it wasn't unusable. I don't imagine tor browser would be much different in that regard |
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Frogging |
maybe the script is doing something weird |
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dd0a13f37 |
Do I need to do anything to get the breakpoints to trigger? |
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dd0a13f37 |
Nah, I've used it on a site that had the exact same script but with different key and different analytics |
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dd0a13f37 |
not as heavy-handed |
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It goes up to 100% CPU whenever I try to use it |
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are you sure noscript isn't interfering? |
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it's included with the tor browser |
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dd0a13f37 |
I've disabled it for that site, it works otherwise |
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dd0a13f37 |
if you want I could send you login details in query so you can see for yourself (in torbrowser recommended) |
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nah, I don't have time to set that up right now |
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but when I insert a breakpoint in firefox in the debugger tab, it just works |
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dd0a13f37 |
ah okay, well I wouldn't recommend it without Tor |
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to insert a breakpoint you're pressing ctrl+B right? |
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and it's listed in the sources pane with a checkbox |
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pressing ctrl+B or clicking the line number, either should work. the line number background should turn blue |
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(sorry, I'm going after the obvious here) |
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dd0a13f37 |
Clicking on line number |
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dd0a13f37 |
Yeah, it does, and it works on other sites |
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dd0a13f37 |
It shows up in the breakpoints list |
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you're 100% sure the line in question is actually getting executed? |
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it |
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it's possible it just isn't being executed |
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dd0a13f37 |
If I try it on another website, it works fine |
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dd0a13f37 |
Yes, I don't see why it wouldn't - the line of code generates an encryption key, and it has the encryptino key |
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dd0a13f37 |
and in another identical instance of the same webapp it works fine |
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no idea then. I'd probably try moving the breakpoint somewhere higher up in the call stack just to make sure |
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dd0a13f37 |
I got it to work now I think |
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Yeah |
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https://www.unseen64.net/2017/09/29/8-16-bit-games-you-will-never-play-low-price-edition-book-vol-1/ |
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hook54321 sets mode: +b *!*@wowana.me |
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hook54321 sets mode: +b *!*@krustykrab.restaurant |
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hook54321 sets mode: +b *!*@113.108.141.98 |
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hook54321 sets mode: +b *!*@207.226.142.68 |
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hook54321 sets mode: +b *!*@v133-130-110-187.a039.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io |
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hook54321 sets mode: +b *!*@151.130.201.35.bc.googleusercontent.com |
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JAA |
Moving the discussion over from #archivebot: how to archive source code repositories? |
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dd0a13f37 |
Git clone over HTTPS is non-intrusive I think since the packfiles are already generated |
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dd0a13f37 |
And could be done with wpull |
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dd0a13f37 |
For all the warc stuff |
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Yeah, either that or simply taring up the cloned repo. |
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Right, but it can be integrated with archivebot if done properly |
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That could be done with both solutions. |
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But maybe a separate bot would be easier. |
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dd0a13f37: On any of the clearnet servers. |
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dd0a13f37 |
So look around for the password or install tor |
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dd0a13f37 |
all you need to do is download browser bundle from torproject.org then set local socks to localhost:9150 |
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or 9050 for regular, non bundle tor |
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ola_norsk |
!ia https://twitter.com/lsarsour |
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ola_norsk |
dangit..forgot the command |
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ola_norsk |
is there some reason wayback machine seems to struggle with archiving certain twitter account? |
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or is it just due to high traffic on said accounts? |
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ola_norsk |
@hook54321 : I'm guessing you've already updated on Lunduke now being a member of W3C.. |
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hook54321 |
yup |
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hook54321 |
#archivebot |
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ola_norsk |
the twitter archived eventually |
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im guessing it's got certain reason for high "coverage" currently.. |
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godane |
so bought 19 tapes today |
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godane |
i got them from savers |
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What is there in the Wii Shop Channel? Virtual Console has been archived many times over and it's all ROMs anyway |
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https://btdig.com/36ac1d1c556af96099e6b5662a54c11e33c73f5d/wiiware Could someone unpack and see what's inside? Would be much appreciated |
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Or nevermind, it's too small |
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