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00:22 🔗 jacketcha no, but I do have archives of people posting dumb stuff that I grabbed with liveweb
00:27 🔗 jacketcha ok, i have another question. is warc files basically the USB of files? I mean, you can technically put any file into a warc file, from what I understand
00:28 🔗 astrid warc records http transactions. so anything you can do on http, you can record into a warc
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01:24 🔗 BnAboyZ I've been out of the loop for a while
01:24 🔗 jacketcha r/OutOfTheLoop
01:24 🔗 BnAboyZ did the wayback-machine start accepting video playback from warc files?
01:30 🔗 jacketcha no idea
01:31 🔗 jacketcha i usually just use the wayback machine for finding my teachers with hair so im not an expert on it
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02:10 🔗 Kaz who had the wiki edit bot? JAA ?
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02:45 🔗 Bond__ how many people are actively downloading newspapers
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05:13 🔗 rolfoid i'd love to be downloading newspapers
05:14 🔗 rolfoid that said, my two cents is that they are probably already archived in other places (and physical form) and should be done after whatever else is on the wire
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06:44 🔗 jacketcha does twitter have any public endpoints to make it easier to scrape?
06:55 🔗 jacketcha Ok, so I have a proposal for a twitter archive
06:56 🔗 jacketcha We create a service that allows you to download your own personal twitter archive, and add it to the database
06:56 🔗 jacketcha a script goes through all your tweets and adds them to their respective threads, and then orders all the threads in chronological order
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07:35 🔗 Specular is #archiveteam-ot new or have I just never noticed it?
07:36 🔗 hook54321 It's new
07:45 🔗 Somebody2 ola_norsk (if you read the logs): I did send the email, and I have not gotten a response back.
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09:01 🔗 PurpleSym Wiki bot should be functional again.
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11:18 🔗 jacketcha Ok, so I have a dumb way of archiving sites at a contstant rate.
11:18 🔗 jacketcha I talk about IFTTT alot, and it's for two simple reasons: It's a good service, and I suck at server side programming
11:19 🔗 jacketcha Now, I figured out that there is no client=side scraping in the liveweb crawl (save page now)
11:19 🔗 jacketcha so you can use it just by making a http request to https://web.archive.org/save/[url to save]
11:19 🔗 jacketcha IFTTT has web request support
11:20 🔗 jacketcha I currently use this to archive things like my twitter
11:20 🔗 jacketcha But it could have better purposes
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12:26 🔗 JAA Kaz: No, that's PurpleSym's, and he fixed it a few hours ago. :-)
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12:51 🔗 schbirid https://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Filesharing
12:52 🔗 schbirid there is quite a bit of libgen but messy
13:01 🔗 jrwr I'm so glad that the wiki was easy to upgrade
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14:17 🔗 SketchCow Good morning
14:18 🔗 SketchCow In the future, don't post things I say about the operation of Internet Archive to Reddit threads along with conclusions
14:18 🔗 SketchCow I know it comes from a good place but I'm not imbued with the permission to make official statements
14:23 🔗 jrwr sorry about that, hope I didn't get you into any trouble,
14:23 🔗 jrwr it has been deleted
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14:59 🔗 godane https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/7mhm8t/kpfa_wbai_may_shut_down_by_mid_january_is_there_a/
15:00 🔗 godane i'm going to see about grabbing the last 4 months of it
15:00 🔗 godane i have up to 2017-07-31
15:00 🔗 godane i have august but i'm running a check on it right now to make sure i have it all
15:02 🔗 SketchCow Interesting
15:03 🔗 godane wbai is where i'm screwed on
15:04 🔗 godane at least off the wall and off the hook are hosted by 2600.com
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16:56 🔗 Muad-Dib I know this has been the case for a while now and I might be a bit late (*cough*) asking about it, but can someone tell me what happened to the FTP-archiving effort/#effteepee? Why are the warrior items paused and the pads/github seemingly dead?
16:57 🔗 Muad-Dib Did people get burned out or is there something else going on I'm just not aware of?
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18:09 🔗 Igloo Probably burned out.
18:47 🔗 robogoat So, what _is_ the best hobbyist tape system? (I'm thinking second-hand enterprise-class reader/writer, probably off ebay or similar?)
18:48 🔗 ola_norsk DAT tapes were big once upon a time i think
18:52 🔗 ola_norsk i don't know, but DAT might've been the last of tape storage solutions.
18:52 🔗 ola_norsk all i remember is that it was quite fancy, for for a very short while
18:53 🔗 robogoat Eh, reading r/datahoarders seems to indicate that the tradeoff for just buying spinning disks is now not worth it.
18:55 🔗 JAA LTO is definitely what you would be looking for, but yeah, it's only worth it if you have dozens of TB to store.
18:56 🔗 robogoat Is it really even worth it then?
18:56 🔗 JAA The drives are expensive, and handling a large number of tapes is a hassle (so you'd want a tape library for more $$$).
18:56 🔗 JAA It definitely can be. Depends what your goals are really.
18:56 🔗 hook54321 JAA: The deadline to apply for the Pineapple Fund was yesterday apparently, but the form is still open... :/
18:56 🔗 JAA HDDs have a lifespan of a few years, but LTO tapes easily last 30+ years.
18:56 🔗 JAA (The drives might not though.)
18:57 🔗 ola_norsk arent there CD/DVD writers can be automaticaly be fed cakeboxes of CD/DVD disks?
18:57 🔗 robogoat Well, but anyways the HDD density seems to be going up so fast, and cost down so fast,
18:58 🔗 JAA In terms of storage capacity per price, tapes are definitely king.
18:58 🔗 robogoat But for how much longer?
18:59 🔗 ola_norsk but since it magnetic signal, can it not diminish over time?
18:59 🔗 JAA Well, tape prices are decreasing as well. I don't know how the rates compare.
18:59 🔗 JAA It also depends where you're located probably.
18:59 🔗 JAA HDD prices in Europe have stagnated since ca. 2010/11.
18:59 🔗 JAA Price per TB, that is.
19:00 🔗 JAA ola_norsk: Have fun handling thousands of DVDs. ;-) Even with BDs, it gets messy very quickly.
19:00 🔗 hook54321 Should I just try to fill out the form for us?
19:01 🔗 ola_norsk aye, but for _really_ long time storage, optical is better than magnetic is it not?
19:02 🔗 JAA Normal BDs have lifespans comparable to tape, I think.
19:03 🔗 JAA M-Discs are rated for 1000 years though.
19:05 🔗 JAA You'd probably want to migrate to new storage media every now and then anyway though because the old media will at some point become obsolete and difficult to read. See e.g. Floppys nowadays.
19:06 🔗 JAA </offtopic>
19:06 🔗 JAA hook54321: Pineapple Fund?
19:06 🔗 hook54321 yeah
19:06 🔗 hook54321 https://pineapplefund.org/
19:07 🔗 JAA Right
19:07 🔗 JAA Ah, missed your message above.
19:11 🔗 JAA Wouldn't hurt to try, I guess. We should probably discuss who/how we'd handle the money though. Or maybe it could go through Open Collective, since we're not a registered nonprofit anyway.
19:12 🔗 hook54321 Yeah. We're not a registered anything afaik...
19:13 🔗 ola_norsk i remember seeing a video by Techmoan where he went trough the differences in tape (albeit for audio storage). There's certainly awesome tape solutions out there. But from what i remember, it not only relied on the tape(strip) itself, but also the power of the recorder (e.g how strong a magnetic signal was put on it) https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=techmoan+metal+tapes
19:13 🔗 hook54321 "In what country are you incorporated in?" ... uhm. all of them? idk
19:14 🔗 JAA None?
19:14 🔗 hook54321 I'll put that I guess
19:16 🔗 hook54321 Should I put Jason down as the contact person?
19:16 🔗 JAA SketchCow: ^
19:19 🔗 hook54321 It might be better if he filled it out, if he is online at least. If not I'm guessing it's better if we submit something instead of waiting, since we're already past the deadline.
19:21 🔗 hook54321 "What is the maximum account you can accept, and reasonably use?"
19:21 🔗 hook54321 "What can you achieve with a donation of that size?" "Do you need help accepting and converting bitcoin?"
19:36 🔗 hook54321 I'll submit something in 20 minutes or so unless anyone has an issue with that. I'm guessing 10k is what we could reasonably use... Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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