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Is it possible to edit an item's collection it belongs to after creating said item? |
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Anyone else getting a lot of errors when accessing the Wayback Machine? I get "unable to connect", timeouts, pages which never finish loading, etc. |
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I'm cleaning WARCs still |
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https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_miiverse is getting that massive miiverse grab |
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https://archive.org/details/warczone now exists. It is "outsider" WARCs, WARCs where we have no idea who is sending them. There's a good chance they won't go directly into Wayback. |
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SketchCow: thats a damn fine pun you made there |
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https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_yahoogroups is about to get super huge |
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Hi all, I seem to have lost the link to the Discord server, can anyone send it to me? A while back I asked about archiving Gazelle-based sites, and got linked to the discord server to talk to -Archivist-, as he/she was working on that at the time. Thanks! |
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adinbied: If it was posted in here, try searching the logs: http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_logs |
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Found it, thanks! |
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SketchCow: Can I get permission to upload to that collection? |
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SketchCow |
I don't see why not, you're one of the processes I've got cleaning up |
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SketchCow |
You now have archiveteam_yahoogroups. You might need to log out of your browser to get it noticed. |
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SketchCow: Thanks for moving those miiverse files |
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Kinda realized part of the way through making them that I _probably_ should have less of them, rather than 10,000 post chunks. |
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But, hey, it's easier for people to download a 200 MB warc than multiple terabytes if they just need one post ;) |
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SketchCow: my cat throw up on one of your boxes |
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godane |
I NEED TO GET LABELS NOW SO I CAN MAIL THEM BEFORE THE CAT RUINS YOUR STUFF |
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tapes are fine but box has dry cat vomit on it |
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SketchCow changes topic to: Lengthy Archive Team related discussions here | General archiving & offtopic: #archiveteam-ot | < godane> SketchCow: my cat throw up on one of your boxes |
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Let me get on that |
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SketchCow |
DrasticAc: yes, if I'd had more of a say on your project, I'd have said you should have 50gb per item |
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DrasticAc |
Yeah, it was one of those things I didn't know until it was too late to switch. |
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But next time, I have a better idea of what to do. |
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Igloo |
godane: i am glad I am not the only one with that problem. My cats puke on stuff all the time ¬_¬ |
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I don't know if it'll be useful, but I was thinking of making a mini-archivebot for stuff like Slack or Discord. |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_verizon |
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SketchCow |
You can see my script slowly adding a filler logo to all the items |
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DrasticAc |
Since it seems like a portion of stuff that gets submitted to archivebot are one-off sites (like twitter links), having something like that available more widely might be useful. |
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lgloo: lucky for most of my stuff is in my room |
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DrasticAc |
Although I guess you can use the IA extension for that. |
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SketchCow |
The problem is that people are not very good at assessing archivebot |
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godane |
and the cat doesn't come into my room |
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godane |
but there is no room for boxes in my room |
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And we get people doing things like "hurr durr The Onion is pretty amazeballs, I better kick off a million-url job with one line because just in case" |
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SketchCow |
"Hey, someone mirrored a mirror of a mirror we mirror, better get THAT copy too" |
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Igloo |
We are trying to police that much better though.... |
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SketchCow |
We are |
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SketchCow |
Adding it to random discords or slacks would not be smark |
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DrasticAc |
Could keep a database to check against that though. |
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SketchCow |
I'd kill any link |
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DrasticAc |
Like, if x link was already archived, don't do it again. |
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SketchCow |
Drop to a whitelist of people who can kick off jobs |
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Igloo |
DrasticAc we do that. But it's just a bit broken at the moment. If you want to help us fix it we'd appreciate it ;-) |
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Igloo |
AB is a victim of it's own success. |
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SketchCow |
Just saying. Don't make more links to archivebot |
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godane |
in other news i got my archivebox rpi project to broadcast a 'honeypot' wifi |
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SketchCow |
Or things that can kick off archivebot to an even larger set of feel-no-pain instigators |
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DrasticAc |
Oh no, I'm not saying make a slack bot that talks to _our_ archivebot. |
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godane |
next part of my project is to add a local wayback machine to it |
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DrasticAc |
I'm saying "make something totally different that offers a limited set of its functions" |
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SketchCow |
Oh, here's a project I was thinking about that someone should do. |
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SketchCow |
Ready? |
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SketchCow |
You seem to all be quite capable of this. |
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SketchCow |
A little package, that if you drop it in a directory, and the directory has WARCs, you get a little mini wayback for it |
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SketchCow |
Which maybe a navigatron option for the family of URLs it covers |
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Igloo |
So, Something that can run on any server? and provide a way back feel for the warcs in that directory? |
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SketchCow |
Yes. |
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SketchCow |
Or a subdirectory, I guess |
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SketchCow |
WARCS/ |
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Igloo |
Interesting, I like the idea of that |
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DrasticAc |
Yeah, that sounds very useful |
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SketchCow |
Do it |
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SketchCow |
waiting |
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DrasticAc |
Just wait till I get off of work, have dinner, etc. |
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SketchCow |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af3mlZ28MzI |
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Igloo |
<< I love that film >> |
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Jon |
hmm. I've got a blu ray, CC-BY-SA-NC, but it is DRM protected. I would like to put it on archive.org but not sure whether to put it up with or without the DRM. Also a prior upload by someone else years back got deleted without explanation |
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astrid |
do you have a link to this prior upload? it was probably darked because the copyright holder complained. i can check though. |
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JAA |
k_o: VSCO will be quite annoying to archive with all that JS going on. If you could write up a summary of what the site structure is like and how the content can be accessed, that would be great. |
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JAA |
Looks like they don't use numeric IDs though, so iterating over everything won't be easy. |
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k_o |
Oh, the site is one of the worst things I've ever seen. |
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k_o |
I've got two scripts that can download it, though. |
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JAA |
That's definitely also helpful, yes. |
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k_o |
The one I prefer is from github and it's written in ruby |
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k_o |
Lemme find the link |
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JAA |
(Ugh, Ruby. ;-) ) |
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k_o |
https://github.com/HuggableSquare/vsco-dl Well, the other one I wrote in Python, but it's a good deal slower than this one, and doesn't get nearly as much metadata |
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k_o |
This puts everything in a folder, but the naming is pretty crap, so I wrote a Python script to rename the files to the year, month, and day |
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k_o |
After that I run packjpg to compress everything to about 75% and then pack it into .tar.bz2 archives |
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JAA |
Well, we usually archive in the WARC format if possible. |
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k_o |
I'm not too familiar with WARC, so some changes would probably be necessary there |
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JAA |
What vsco-dl does should be fairly easy to do with a plugin for wget-lua or wpull. |
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k_o |
Yeah, the problem is that I'm averaging 220MB/user right now |
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k_o |
My current list is 150,000 names and growing, so it's already in the 30 TB range, which is more space than I have |
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JAA |
Any idea how large it is in total? |
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JAA |
Ah |
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k_o |
The thing is, VSCO reported 30 million active monthly users last year |
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So it's probably in the petabytes range at least |
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JAA |
Hmm, that seems way too large for a photo sharing website. |
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JAA |
Vidme and SoundCloud are in that range. |
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JAA |
(Well, Vidme was and SC is.) |
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Exactly, vidme *was* |
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and SC was threatening to go under |
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Yeah |
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k_o |
hence my concern |
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k_o |
what happened to SC, anyway? did they find new funding? |
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Right, but I can't believe that VSCO gets even close to 1 PB. |
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I'm not sure what IA thinks about grabbing a copy of them though. |
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I mean the 30 million thing is pretty widely reported https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vsco-now-30-million-active-170002551.html |
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k_o |
That's actually the only info I can find about their stats. No user info since then, no size info, no quarterly reports. |
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I'm not even really sure how they make money, there's no articles about it on the first pages of search. |
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But yeah, there's the issue of privacy and all that. I remember the Instagram project got a lot of bad press |
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IA may not want that |
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Anyways, I thought I'd float the idea to archiveteam, see if anyone was interested |
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JAA |
Looks like you can purchase something called "VSCO Film"? |
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k_o |
There's no immediate danger, but I remember how short notice on vidme meant we couldn't save all of it |
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Hard to imagine how one product could bring in enough cash to host as much data as they do |
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Who knows, though, they don't seem to post earnings or anything |
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Yeah, it's nice to have an idea of how the site works etc. already so we can grab it quickly when they announce the shutdown. |
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astrid, yeah, thanks -- it was http://archive.org/details/NineInchNailsGhostsI-Ivblu-ray24bit96khz$ |
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minus the $ http://archive.org/details/NineInchNailsGhostsI-Ivblu-ray24bit96khz |
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astrid |
right |
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astrid: the album is widely available in 16/44.1 (including several times on archive.org); in 24/96 (as on the BD) it's much rarer. I just sourced one after 10 years or so, and it cost me £50 |
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despite that it's still clearly marked as CC-BY-SA-NC |
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astrid |
that was darked in december 2014 with the comment "possible rights issues" |
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astrid |
email info@archive.org and maybe they'll un-dark it |
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Jon |
thanks, I shall. Can you tell if I was the original uploader? I've completely forgotten. My username is jmtd on archive.org |
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thanks for all your help |
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JAA |
k_o: Apparently you can also buy filters and possibly other stuff through an in-app store. The famous microtransactions scheme. |
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astrid |
original uploader was someone with email address 893productions@gmail.com |
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ok yeah that wasn't me. Thanks :> |
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k_o |
In that case, their business model may be sound |
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Jon |
I'll still email |
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astrid |
sure thing Jon |
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k_o |
I figured it's a website worth keeping an eye on though |
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k_o: Sure. Are you willing to share your code for scraping users? |
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Sure, it's written in python and uses selenium |
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I can put it up on pastebin |
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It's probably not the most efficient way to go about it, but I don't know how else to render their crappy website except for a headless browser |
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Yeah, it should be a lot faster to just do the relevant API requests directly. |
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I'm interested in seeing the code anyway, also because I wanted to look into headless browsers for archiving before. |
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internet crashed |
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idk if the message got through, I'll upload the code to pastebin |
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godane |
i get to have fun setting up my new comcast cable modem latter |
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k_o_: Here's what happened: http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam-bs?date=2018-01-09,Tue&sel=229#l225 |
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k_o_ |
Alright, that's all the messages I sent |
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Gimme a sec to cut out the code and put it up |
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k_o_ |
https://pastebin.com/au6eSN39 |
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k_o_ |
You start if off by creating a file vsco.txt with |
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At least one username and a "|" before the first username |
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It searches the collection for each user and adds those names to the file, going through all of the new names, so theoretically it will eventually scrape every non-orphan user on the site |
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If you need to break the script, just move the | back to the point you want it, and it won't search through the first names again |
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It also checks for duplicates and won't add those, so each username is unique |
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Ah, collections, I see. |
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Thanks |
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My vsco.txt is slightly over 157,000 lines currently, but with 30 million active users, that's barely half a percent |
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It's been running for about a day, so given a few weeks, it could probably build up a pretty good list |
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I figured it would be helpful to have around if/when there's a shutdown notice |
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Indeed |
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Another idea to discover users would be to search for tags appearing on the individual photo pages. |
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I think most of the people who are tagged also appear on the collection, but I could be wrong |
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If the script I'm running finishes with a lot of users missing, I could try that |
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