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atrocity |
anybody running the seagate shingle drives? |
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atrocity |
8Tb for $200 isn't bad |
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atrocity |
and i have a pretty high write-one, read-many scenario |
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wp494 |
shingle drives - yuck |
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wp494 |
might as well shuck those wd easystores from bestbuy and save yourself $40 or more |
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atrocity |
are they all reds? |
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atrocity |
i mean, knowing my use case, not sure it's bad |
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atrocity |
a 20Gb cache onboard, which i won't fill up immediately |
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godane |
i'm making a audio collection of Charlie Rose episodes i have |
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godane |
its for the myspleen people but could be uploaded as a way for a much smaller data collection of Charlie Rose |
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01:32
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atrocity |
oh, a fellow ms user! |
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godane |
SketchCow: is there anyway to make all the podcasts collection files downloadable : https://archive.org/details/The_Jim_Rome_Show_Podcast-2005-01-03 |
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01:40
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godane |
there downloadable for me only |
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01:41
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godane |
so everyone else just sees broken items with no files |
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godane |
so think a Charlie Rose mp3 collection would be like 250gb vs 2.5tb of video |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/apkarchive |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/ipaarchive building |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware discovered CD-ROMs in uploads that have graphics attached for seeing what the item is |
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godane |
also metadata is in the mp3 files |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/cdromimages discovered CD-ROMs in uploads (or in previous cd-rom collections) without graphics attached |
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godane |
SketchCow: don't upload my video captures yet |
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godane |
i'm having trouble with one file right now |
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godane |
upload speed of FOS is very slow for some reason on my end |
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M-WillBra |
SketchCow: so remember like 6mo ago when you wanted an ftp.prserv.net archive? i downloaded most of it but wonder what the preferred format is for splitting things into smaller archive chunks and/or providing a file listing |
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M-WillBra |
zipping it all and uploading it all as one chunk is much like trying to fit an entire redwood tree into a woodchipper |
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SketchCow |
I've done that before |
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SketchCow |
But how big is it |
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M-WillBra |
SketchCow: I forget off the top of my head but I think dozens of gigs (and I'm on DSL) |
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M-WillBra |
More than 5 and less than 80 |
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M-WillBra |
I was thinking about zipping each group of folders separately to get a rough split that doesn't require people to download the whole thing if they just want one bit |
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Somebody2 |
80G is fine to upload all as one thing, but dividing it up would be OK too, IMO (but I'm nothing like an authority) |
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Somebody2 |
If Hiccup shows up again, point them in the direction of the IA Census. |
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astrid |
try to keep items to 5 gigs, but you won't start running into issues until about 100g |
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astrid: thanks, i think it's probably my side having issues more than anything. so i think i need to split it up but i wasn't sure if there was an archive/split/metadata format that was better than, say, a big .txt file with a recursive `ls` dump, etc |
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jacketcha |
hey, I have a dumb question |
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jacketcha |
how do you generate the warc record ID? |
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jacketcha |
I need it for the next update of my chrome extension, because liveweb can't capture past robots.txt |
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Frogging |
check the spec |
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jacketcha |
I did |
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HCross2 |
SketchCow: did you mean to add random images into https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_newssites items? |
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JAA |
atrocity: For a read-heavy environment, shingled drives seem pretty much perfect. I haven't used them yet, but I plan to do so soon (waiting for the price to come down a bit more on this side of the pond). Regarding WD Red vs. white-labeled: the two are essentially identical except for the PWDIS feature in some of the white drives (which is easily fixable with a bit of tape if your machine doesn't sup |
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JAA |
port it). |
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JAA |
Heh, I remember now that we discuseed this before. |
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Jon |
afternoon all |
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* |
Jon pimps SketchCow's podcast on his blog |
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Sanqui |
archiveteam is lacking a third piece of the triforce |
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Sanqui |
irc for short term discussion, wiki for long-term information storage, where's the medium term |
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Sanqui |
we're lacking a forum |
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Sanqui |
channel offshoots like #msgbored with not much activity will never get anywhere without a place to discuss ideas where they won't disappear |
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SketchCow |
HCross2: Yes |
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SketchCow |
Oh god not a forum |
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HCross2 |
Ah thanks. I looked this morning and was confused |
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SketchCow |
Trying to make the collections prettier and more defined. |
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SketchCow |
Add descriptions to the collections that are clearer. Could use help. |
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Jon |
Sanqui, heh, mailing list? |
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Jon |
or a usenet server. |
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Jon |
I'd love to have to use usenet again. |
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Sanqui |
that might do but I sorta lack the tools, my email handling is horrible |
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Sanqui |
I should get my thunderbird up and running again |
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Jon |
modern versions of MailMan apparently have a web front-end for archives which is nice enough to fool people into thinking they are actually using a forum |
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Jon |
although I haven't seen it deployed somewhere for real, which is telling. |
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Sanqui |
do people still use thunderbird |
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Jon |
yeah |
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Sanqui |
oki |
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Jon |
best of a bad bunch I think |
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Sanqui |
i do like gmail's mail grouping |
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SketchCow |
Oh god not a mailing list |
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SketchCow |
Hey, Archivebot has not shoved a new batch into the archive in what looks like almost a day. |
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SketchCow |
This is actually good news |
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Jon |
SketchCow, so I take that as tacit approval of a usenet group? :P |
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SketchCow |
oh god not a usenet group |
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Jon |
:> |
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* |
Jon , despite having been a UNIX sysadmin in a prior life, wouldn't know where to begin with that |
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SketchCow |
I do |
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SketchCow |
But I will not do it |
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SketchCow |
So, look. |
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SketchCow |
There's a larger issue at scale. The easier we make it for everyone to hop into Archive Team on a "just stopping in" basis, the more we end up with |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: Hi guyz!!!! |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: Sure do hate things going away |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: I want to help |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: I read the docs |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: I have submitted 409gb of warc grabs |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: Ooops, done wrong |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: Anyone here like pokemon |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: I found a rare one |
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Jon |
lol |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: Also, I have added a bunch of new things to the wiki |
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SketchCow |
MELLONCHOLY: Why r u all so mean |
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Jon |
To get back to Sanqui's point, tbh I think the wiki would be fine for forum-like stuff , i.e. Talk: pages |
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SketchCow |
I think if there's stuff being discussed, the Wiki is best now, now that jrwr has really spiffed things up |
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Sanqui |
talk pages are pretty bad, but I agree that there's no clearly good solution |
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SketchCow |
Talk pages are just fine |
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SketchCow |
You just need discipline. |
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SketchCow |
Speaking of which, I have over 40 windows open on this desktop doing archiving |
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Jon |
\o/ |
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Jon |
point of order. For archiving a Blu Ray, which is legitimately archive-able (Creative Commons) *but* has AACS DRM; it makes sense to archive after decrypting right? |
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Jon |
the legal risk is in the process of decrypting; not receipt of post-decrypted stuff. |
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Jon |
I need to double check the decryption process is precise and there's not a fidelity issue too |
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SketchCow |
FOS has two partitions. One is at 6%, one is at 61%. The 61% is basically my stuff so I'm trying to nail it down. (It's "Just" 2tb of stuff) |
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SketchCow |
Ha ha legal risk |
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Jon |
well I mean DMCA or whatever |
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SketchCow |
I'll visit you in Blu-Ray Jail |
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Jon |
kind offer |
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SketchCow |
I'll bring a cake with a file |
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Jon |
this is probably why the existing BD rip on archive.org I'm aware of was darkened |
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SketchCow |
Well, if it was something recent and obvious, I'm sure a bot found it |
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Jon |
it's http://archive.org/details/NineInchNailsGhostsI-Ivblu-ray24bit96khz but I've already mailed info@ to discuss it, so not asking you to do anything here, just if you were curious |
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Jon |
CC-BY-SA-NC |
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SketchCow |
It was darked 3.1 years ago |
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SketchCow |
There, I undarked it |
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Jon |
yeah I'm slow to get back to this, I backburnered looking into it near the time |
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Jon |
oh wow thanks |
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Sanqui |
yeah I think thunderbird is just frozen trying to download my gmail inbox. |
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JAA |
You should see that in the status bar near the bottom. "Downloading header x of n" or something like that. |
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SketchCow |
I forgot to mention that of those 40 screens, something like 15 of them are running an analytic process against archive.org stacks of materials to find cases where I unwittingly broke things and to unbreak them |
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SketchCow |
Just a huge fucking cleanup crew |
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Jon |
is it satisfying to have the machine(s) doing work, though, right? getting value's worth from the silicon |
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SketchCow |
Well, I'm not sad or anything |
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zino |
Oh, National Archives space uploads: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/420606009/fight-for-space-space-program-and-nasa-documentary/posts/2089150?ref=backer_project_update => https://archive.org/details/@paul_hildebrandt |
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SketchCow |
I'm back to no hours in the day currently. |
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zino |
SketchCow, maybe ignore doing some things. No hours left might be bad health-wise. |
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SketchCow |
ha ha |
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SketchCow |
The gal keeps on top of me |
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SketchCow |
I went to bed at midnight like a prole last night |
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zino |
:-) |
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SketchCow |
Like a rube, a huckleberry, a member of the masses without classes |
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SketchCow |
One window is fixing the covers of the zines section |
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jrwr |
SketchCow: there is a addon I can add in that adds forum like threads to talk pages |
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jrwr |
they work like reddit comments so threaded |
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PurpleSym |
SketchCow: Can I create new collections with these new archive.org superpowers? The NIN remixes would deserve one, imo: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3Aremix.nin.com%20mediatype%3Aaudio%20subject%3Aarchiveteam |
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Who is DKL3. |
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Stand down, tracked, thanks |
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Somebody2: I'm wondering if you ever got a response back on the email you sent to Norsk Dataforening? (i apologize if i mistake you for another user here) |
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ola_norsk: Nope, no response yet. |
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Somebody2: aye, though there might have been some reorginazation going on there in the few weeks. Torp now seems to be listed as "general secretary".. http://www.dataforeningen.no/ansatte.134521.no.html ...It's typical fucking beurocracy |
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Somebody2 |
Eh, like I said -- my message was pretty much focused on "you don't need to reply to this" -- so not getting a reply just means they understood it. :-) |
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ola_norsk |
a "thank for your input" would've been courteous though |
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"Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention." |
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ola_norsk |
..or an open letter, signed by academics |
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godane |
i'm uploading tons of odd recordings i have |
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godane |
this is so i can get rid of them once jason uploads them to archive.org |
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godane |
one of the odd ones is a recording of WMUR News9 At 11 on 1997-02-23 |
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godane |
SketchCow: your getting a old local news recording from my personal tape collection |
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