#archiveteam-bs 2018-03-09,Fri

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00:08 🔗 SketchCow https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/971900134593241088
00:08 🔗 SketchCow ha HA ha
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01:08 🔗 ivan very nice
01:11 🔗 ivan http://money.cnn.com/1997/04/15/technology/netscape_netcaster/
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03:23 🔗 JAA sets mode: -b *!*BnARobin@*.bnaboyz.nl
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09:56 🔗 hook54321 !a http://lunduke.com/ --igset blogs
09:56 🔗 hook54321 oops
09:58 🔗 hook54321 The "apps" section of the chrome webstore kinda shut down not too long ago, however you can still access it from chromeos devices for now.
10:15 🔗 JAA Interesting. Is this in any way related to the upcoming shutdown of Firefox OS's Marketplace?
10:15 🔗 hook54321 I don't think so
10:16 🔗 hook54321 I think Mozilla is shutting down Firefox OS's Marketplace because they pretty much stopped marketing Firefox OS and probably aren't supporting it anymore.
10:21 🔗 JAA Right. I remember some rumors about Chrome OS being discontinued/merged with Android from a few years ago, but apparently that was bullshit, and the "apps" shutdown is unrelated to that anyway. Nevermind.
10:24 🔗 JAA By the way, if anyone wants to investigate Firefox Marketplace (it's tricky to archive), there was some discussion about that in #archivebot yesterday and I left a few related links there.
10:24 🔗 JAA I want to look into it in more detail this weekend.
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10:29 🔗 dxrt JAA: Did you see https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/971900134593241088 ?
10:31 🔗 JAA dxrt: I did not. Sweet, thanks!
10:31 🔗 dxrt :)
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17:13 🔗 bithippo Having more stalls than usual today when uploading to the archive
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19:48 🔗 hook54321 bithippo: If there's 720p60 and 480p available, which one will tubeup grab?
19:48 🔗 bithippo youtube-dl default for youtube is to grab the best rendition of audio and video and merge
19:48 🔗 bithippo (usually into an mkv container)
19:50 🔗 hook54321 But 720p60 is only better in some senses, since it's only 60fps.
19:54 🔗 bithippo I can extend tubeup to support all renditions with an option
19:55 🔗 bithippo Would need to pass through to youtube-dl
19:57 🔗 hook54321 I'm confused. what do you mean all renditions?
19:59 🔗 hook54321 bithippo: also, I'm in Shkreli's Discord chat, (not for reasons people would probably assume), if that could help with anything let me know.
19:59 🔗 bithippo Thank you!
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20:03 🔗 hook54321 He apparantly hasn't said anything in it since September.
20:08 🔗 JAA bithippo, hook54321: youtube-dl will only grab the best video and audio if ffmpeg is installed because it's otherwise unable to mux them together. If it can't find ffmpeg, it'll fall back to the best combination of video and audio already muxed together available from YouTube's servers (usually 720p, I think).
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20:09 🔗 hook54321 720p and 720p60 are different though
20:09 🔗 JAA And I think it should refuse the download if you give it an explicit option for which video to grab if that requires muxing and it can't find ffmpeg.
20:09 🔗 JAA Yep
20:09 🔗 JAA which video/audio combination to grab*
20:10 🔗 hook54321 so like, 480p might be better when looking at FPS, but 720p60 might be better when looking at resolution.
20:12 🔗 JAA I'm pretty sure that the 480p one won't be 60 fps. Maybe 30, maybe even less (25 or 24 or 23.976 or whatever).
20:12 🔗 JAA But yeah, generally you should go for highest resolution *and* highest framerate.
20:19 🔗 JAA There's also the matter of mp4 vs. webm. I haven't compared the files offered by YouTube, so I don't know which is better in this case. In general, VP9 tends to perform better than AVC at the same bitrate I believe.
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21:26 🔗 godane i'm starting to upload Alfajr News Newspaper
21:38 🔗 bithippo toysrusin.com servers are just weird.
21:38 🔗 bithippo Feels like they're throttling me, but the content is coming through just fine.
21:46 🔗 JAA bithippo: Do you mean toysrusinc.com? We're grabbing that through ArchiveBot (which isn't banned on that domain, interestingly).
21:47 🔗 bithippo "[04:56:37] <@JAA> hook54321, bithippo: The Toys'R'Us jobs didn't work very well due to bans. It seems that they banned virtually all server IPs somehow."
21:47 🔗 bithippo So I started a grab locally
21:47 🔗 bithippo If it turns out not to be needed, no worries.
21:49 🔗 JAA Right. Looks like the job for toysrusinc.com was started a few hours before I said that, and I probably missed it or something. I was mainly talking about toysrus.com and subdomains, I think.
21:49 🔗 JAA Probably doesn't hurt to grab it twice, to be honest. Something's fishy with the grabs through ArchiveBot, so I don't fully trust those archives being clean.
21:49 🔗 JAA the Toys 'R' Us grabs*
21:50 🔗 bithippo Cool cool.
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22:44 🔗 bithippo This is an error I don't see every day.
22:44 🔗 bithippo We encountered an internal error. Please try again. - nonzero exit: Catalog::get_s3_use_status('FMf5G29xCVBcx1ix','youtube-I0lnaK3aB8U'): "\nFatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'ERROR: failed fetch from Redis cache' in /var/cache/petabox/petabox/www/common/Catalog.inc:1411\nStack trace:\n#0 Command line code(1): Catalog::get_s3_use_status('FMf5G29xCVBcx1i...', 'youtube-I0lnaK3...')\n#1 {main}\n thrown in /var/cache/petabox/
22:44 🔗 bithippo petabox/www/common/Catalog.inc on line 1411\n" None
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23:19 🔗 WubTheCap I've been getting a lot of Internal Server Errors from IA lately.
23:19 🔗 WubTheCap You're not the only one.
23:19 🔗 WubTheCap I'm talking like an average of 5 per day.
23:19 🔗 bithippo Was just thinking about flipping my behavior of tubeup
23:20 🔗 bithippo Instead of having it upload each file in an item separately (which there can be many, one for each subtitle language, etc).
23:20 🔗 bithippo Have tubeup create a torrent locally of all files for an item, and then make one call to IA with the torrent as the file.
23:20 🔗 bithippo My understanding is that IA will ingest the torrent lazily then
23:24 🔗 bithippo Wouldn't be a big deal, but the internetarchive python package doesn't handle 500s gracefully :/
23:27 🔗 hook54321 bithippo: I was under the impression it's generally preferred to have them in separate items.
23:27 🔗 bithippo Per item torrents.
23:28 🔗 hook54321 oh
23:28 🔗 bithippo json, annotations, master rendition, subtitles, create torrent, submit torrent for item creation
23:29 🔗 bithippo http://archive.org/about/faqs.php#321
23:30 🔗 bithippo Probably won't scale based on: "This capability is not intended as an alternative to our uploader. It merely enables the Archive to capture material already being distributed via BitTorrent."
23:56 🔗 DFJustin yeah uploading via torrent is kind of a kludge and the files come in as derivatives and not proper files on the item

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