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Oh dear, every second post on those forums has one of those shitty "Posted with my <phone model>" lines in it. I hate BB already. |
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Of course not, that would be ridiculous. Everything is worth archiv... Okay no, that shit can go straight to /dev/null. |
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imperfect |
Good evening you people who are much more intelligent and dedicated than myself! |
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Flashfire |
hello..... |
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imperfect |
I discovered this project two days ago and have about 9000 questions, |
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imperfect |
But how are you tonight, Flashfire? |
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Flashfire |
Im good |
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Flashfire |
What do you want to know? |
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Flashfire |
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So I'm incredibly lazy, and wanted to run a warrior (or many) and was wondering the best setup idea. I tore apart the ova and created an ovf that seems to be running, but not quite sure how to check results and make sure I didn't waste time doing such |
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imperfect |
But this was to run it on my esxi host since the ova was dedicated toward virtualbox |
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imperfect |
If I accidentally made a working variant, I'd be glad to zip it and give my edits back too |
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imperfect (in case you read the logs): If you know what you're doing, you might be best off setting up a VM with Debian, Ubuntu, or whichever distro you prefer, and running the scripts there directly. That can also easily be scripted. The warrior is mostly for people who just want to click on something and have it do something useful in the background. |
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At least that's my view on the warrior. |
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has anyone ever developed something that interacts with javascript to archive websites? |
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I'm only aware of https://webrecorder.io/ which does an OK job but requires manual user interaction of course |
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kyounko: brozzler and crocoite/chromebot come to mind. |
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and does webrecorder allow you to keep your manual user interaction? |
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or do they keep it |
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Its free software, you can run it locally if you don't trust them handing your data :P |
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*handling |
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I personally avoid webrecorder unless it's absolutely needed |
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JAA: There is a user posting spam on multiple channels that we use. |
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Should something be done? |
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Eh, I just ended leaving some of the channels, because there weren't many members in there. |
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is there an archive of Twitter trending topics by day? a way to check what was a trend in July 25, for example |
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VoynichCr: I found a website: https://trendogate.com |
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I have 20TB of space on my aarchive nas and 100Mbps I can dedicate to the tumblr project. what's the best way to contribute other than running multiple warrior nodes with expanded hdd in my vmware cluster? |
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teej_: Just ignore the spam. |
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Ahzzmandi: I'm not sure how much running multiple warrior nodes really helps |
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although I don't know how to stay under tumblr's throttling limits |
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if you only have one IP and one hard drive, I would be surprised if running 50 wget threads was more useful than running 10 wget threads |
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the two bottlenecks I see being your IP being throttled by tumblr and your hard drive bandwidth |
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if anyone knows more on the topic I'd be interested |
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levelch: I have not noticed any throttling from tublr running 40 wget threads from one IP |
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jut |
*tumblr |
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jut: I cannot say I directly noticed throttling but running more than 16 threads, all threads seemed to be running slower, giving no benefit |
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this server's hard drive is not that good though |
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Yeah those instances are spaced over 3 machines |
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let's scale up again to 30 to see what happens |
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Tumblr talk in #tumbledown please. |
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JAA: according to #archiveteam topic, #tumbledown is for "tumblr porn talk"? |
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levelch: Well yeah, the Tumblr archival is primarily about adult blogs because those are getting nuked in a few days. |
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levelch |
gotcha |
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levelch |
not trying to argue about the rules, just trying to understand them :) |
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diggan |
any overview of the architecture of the warrior + tracker available somewhere? interested in a high-level one, mainly about the communication and allocation of items between the two |
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jut |
https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Dev/Infrastructure |
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diggan |
thanks a bunch jut |
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what do you think about hostinger? it's stable or in risk? |
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Ahzzmandi |
the backing storage is a NAS server with 70TB of raid6 storage with flash cache 128GB ram and 3 esx servers on 24-core opterons. |
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<-- IT infrastructure engineer. |
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Kaz |
it was decent until you mentioned opterons |
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Kaz |
guess they'll keep you warm this winter |
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cf |
lol |
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Kaz |
diggan: also github.com/archiveteam/seesaw-kit |
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jason0597 |
youtube has like 5 billion videos now |
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cf |
jason0597: anyways, yeah i started with all videos submitted to reddit which gave ~20M ids, and scraped all of those, then wrote a simple crawler that pulls out video ids and now it's recursively crawling |
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jason0597 |
reddit? |
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cf |
if you have ideas for where else to get a large list of IDs to seed with, i'm all ears |
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Flashfire |
They have like an EB of data |
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Flashfire |
cf if you can get in contact with Ivan he has stockpiles |
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cf |
of IDs? |
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Flashfire |
He isn’t online at all right now which is strange |
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Flashfire |
yeah |
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diggan |
Kaz: thanks, the overview there is very helpful for what I wanted to know! |
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Flashfire |
He has a Google Drive he pushes a TB to a day. Then he runs scripts to check what videos have been deleted. Deleted videos get pushed to IA |
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jason0597 |
oh you scraped all youtube videos submitted to the entire reddit.com website? |
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cf |
jason0597: scraped the video id out of the link, yeah |
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cf |
Flashfire: oh shit, cool. will msg him |
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jason0597 |
and what happens if a video on reddit has no annotations? is it just wasted time looking up whether it has annotations or not? |
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Flashfire |
Yeah I have been giving him channels to add. Mainly advertisement ones and stuff are good because they often get deleted after a while |
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cf |
jason0597: if the video has no annotations, yeah it's basically an empty xml file. technically is time wasted, but for the reddit-based scrape I was processing like 1k videos/second so not a lot of time lol |
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jason0597 |
ah that's quick |
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cf |
Flashfire: sweet. I was going to go through and do more discovery based on the channel ids I have (apparently the uploaders channel id shows up in the annotations xml), but if that's already been done that would make things much easier |
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jason0597 |
how would you expand the search though beyond reddit? |
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cf |
jason0597: a lot of the annotations are links to other youtube videos, so i just extract the ids from the annotations list while its saving and add that to the queue to download |
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cf |
initial reddit scrape was 20M links, of which ~11M had annotations, directly scraping those for more video ids gave another million or so, and the recursive crawler has been running off of those for a day or so and already accumulated another 800k ids (something like 99% of which have annotations) |
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jason0597 |
ah i see |
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cf |
quite an interesting thing actually since a lot of channels used to use them for links to next/prev vid |
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jason0597 |
yeah that's how it was back in the day |
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jason0597 |
before they added cards and stuff |
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cf |
so it ends up covering the channels well |
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Flashfire |
cf yeah recursive is best way to go for first. Next I can get you Ivan’s list of channels I think I have it sitting somewhere |
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cf |
yep, but we also mostly care about videos from that time since you haven't been able to add annotations since like early 2017 |
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cf |
sweet |
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cf |
Flashfire: video ids themselves would be better (PM'd ivan already about it), but more channel ids never hurt |
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Flashfire |
http://62.210.77.51/youtube/youtube-id-map |
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Flashfire |
Try that |
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jason0597 |
is your crawler at max capacity now that you've gone into recursive search? |
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cf |
jason0597: basically. could probably scale out, but I don't really want to mess with setting up a large queueing system |
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Flashfire |
Cf will that help! |
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Flashfire |
? |
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cf |
Flashfire: looks like that list gives me ~10M new ids, thanks! |
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cf |
will get that crawling tonight |
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Flashfire |
Alright awesome |
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jason0597 |
are there any official youtube statistics of e.g. no of youtube videos currently available |
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Flashfire |
https://ludios.org/tmp/youtube-recs-2018-11-17-over-1000-subs.html |
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Flashfire |
cf that might help as well they are channel stuff mainly |
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cf |
absolutely, was looking for a list like that |
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cf |
just need to figure out how to get video ids from those channel ids |
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cf |
the official api would only let me get like 10k channels/day |
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jason0597 |
are there really 5 billion videos on youtube? |
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PurpleSym: hey, why chromebot is so slow? |
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jason0597: wouldn't surprise me |
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jason0597 |
doesn't that make the effort look bleak? |
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cf |
sure, but does that mean we shouldn't do anything? |
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cf |
also, i'd imagine > 90% of those are 0 view videos |
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jason0597 |
no it doesn't mean we shouldn't try |
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jason0597 |
btw how much space do the annotations you have archived so far take up? |
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cf |
something like 7GB as a tgz |
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Ahzzmandi |
kaz $200 for each opteron 24-core can't be beat on a tight budget. ;) |
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cf |
until you need any amount of single thread performance :) |
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kyounko |
hook54321: whats wrong with webrecorder.io? |
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Kaz |
Ahzzmandi: your power is free? |
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Ahzzmandi |
kaz, nah, power save cluster. It's a personal lab. runs ~9 Amps@120v avg. |
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hook54321 |
kyounko: Requires manual interaction. I'm also not sure how I feel about the organization behind it yet. |
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I'll swap em out for newer systems over the next year. |
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Kaz |
fuck me what |
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kyounko |
hook54321: most anything worthwhile and modern in the web requires manual interaction |
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Ahzzmandi |
that includes the nas server. |
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Kaz |
9 amps?? |
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Ahzzmandi |
3x 2u opterons, 1x NAS dual xeon. ~40 hdd. |
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kyounko |
wouldn't the holy grail of archiving be crawling inside of facebooks walled garden? |
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Ahzzmandi |
I have an APC metered switchable PDU to monitor it with. |
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Kaz |
'tight budget' and '9 amps' doesn't fit |
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Kaz |
even if they are your measly american amps |
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Ahzzmandi |
it does when xeons of any real performance over the opterons are 4x more to buy and monthly electric is ~$85 for it. |
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kyounko |
$85 for now, won't be in 5 years |
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kyounko |
its all about the now |
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Ahzzmandi |
that's why i'm replacing them soon with low power systems. |
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kyounko |
don't waste your time NOW |
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Ahzzmandi |
i've had these for 3 years now. |
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Kaz |
I got a dl380 with E5-2620 v4 + 48GB of ddr4 for £300 |
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Kaz |
and it's currently pulling..75w |
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Ahzzmandi |
these were 128GB ddr3 24 core 2.1Ghz for $200 shipped. |
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kyounko |
I don't know what this all means lol |
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Ahzzmandi |
using 3 of them them as an esx cluster. |
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hook54321 |
kyounko: I've actually come across very few things that I've needed to use it for |
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Kaz |
you probably burn through that extra £/$100 in a week anyway |
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Ahzzmandi |
nah. $85/mo in electric cost. |
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Kaz |
yikes |
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Ahzzmandi |
$40 of that is the NAS server. so really $45/mo for the 3 opteron servers. |
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Kaz |
i mean sure if it works, but damn |
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Ahzzmandi |
Its also a 3 year old setup. |
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kyounko |
hook54321: would it be important to archive facebook, just like what is happening with tumblr, but I've been a heavy web surfer to have found that tumblr did host porn |
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Ahzzmandi |
if I was building it today, i'd go with hpe gen8 xeons instead of opterons. |
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jason0597 |
who uses such amount of RAM and processing power |
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kyounko |
of course facebook thinks preventing google from crawling is respecting user privacy |
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jason0597 |
btw i mean as an individual, not as a company, i can understand how a company would need a lot of processing power |
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Ahzzmandi |
jason, lab systems, plus game servers for friends. and my NAS provides remote backup target for friends and family. |
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kyounko |
of course, games |
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Ahzzmandi |
some people are paranoid about using commercial online backup sites like backblaze. 8-/ |
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kyounko |
paranoid? |
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Ahzzmandi |
libertarians. so they pay me the same fee to host their backups. |
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Ahzzmandi |
lol |
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Ahzzmandi |
it pays for the electric and servers. :) |
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kyounko |
hurricane electric? |
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jason0597 |
well you don't need 128GB of RAM to have a big NAS server to store stuff |
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kyounko |
facebook is banal garbage, but its very intensive computing |
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Ahzzmandi |
I know. that's what the xeon 1u came with at a good price. plus it makes for a nice biffer for the esx VMs over iscsi. :) |
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Ahzzmandi |
buffer |
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kyounko |
Ahzzmandi: do you have this thing hooked up to a cable modem or something? |
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Ahzzmandi |
snagged a 24 port 10Gbe sfp+ sswitch for $220 on ebay. |
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Ahzzmandi |
kyounko nah, 150/150Mbps fios |
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kyounko |
i see |
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kyounko |
fios is a verizon trademark |
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Ahzzmandi |
had it at 300Mbps till frontier bought them out and killed that option. 8-/ |
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Ahzzmandi |
argued verizon down to $135/mo for 300Mbps symmetrical when they first deployed to my city. |
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Ahzzmandi |
then frontier bought fios in texas and jacked it to $85/mo for 150. |
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kyounko |
i'm not going to stretch out my neck for high speed interenet |
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Ahzzmandi |
to each their own on their gear and net. ;) |
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Ahzzmandi |
sides, I can afford it now with my job. |
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Ahzzmandi |
just started replacing the 3TB drives in the NAS with 8TB drives. The 3TB ones are avg 5 years old now. |
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kyounko |
I guess we've come a long way from a 386 with a serial port isa card running dial in modems |
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Ahzzmandi |
IKR? |
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kyounko |
i understand _so_ much |
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Ahzzmandi |
was so jelly of my friends with the USR 9600 when all I had was a vicmodem 2400. |
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kyounko |
looking at the phone line, there are 4 wires |
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kyounko |
i was doing 9600 in 1999 |
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kyounko |
which was 0.96 KBps |
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Ahzzmandi |
<-- isdn 128k in 97 ;) |
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Ahzzmandi |
ran a mom&pop isp in Dallas called dfwmm.net |
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kyounko |
so... tell me how did the dial ups have 10 modems per 1 phone number? |
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till AT&T ganked my pairgain lines for the 28.8k bank. 8-( Tried to leverage me into renting their ISDN pools to run 56k when it came out. |
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kyo, dial pools. 1 inbound number rolls over to unnumbered lines. |
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kyounko |
HOW? |
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kyounko |
each phone line is 4 wires |
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kyounko |
only two wires are used per jack |
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Ahzzmandi |
1 pair really. |
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demux bar on a 64-pair cable. |
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kyounko |
?????????? |
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kyounko |
:D |
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Ahzzmandi |
fat centronix looking connector that breaks it out into 64 rj11 jacks. |
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hook54321 |
kyounko: It's possible to kinda grab facebook pages with chromebot |
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kyounko |
i had a hoot when I was reading an old cisco manual |
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kyounko |
the cisco manual said a T3 was a coaxial cable coming out of the concrete surface |
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kyounko |
mmm'kay, but since when is a T3 a cable modem? |
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Ahzzmandi |
I had 128 28.8k lines and 8 PRI ISDN lines to a set of 5 or 6 CompuTone boxes. |
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kyounko |
you don't ask question, you just accept the telephone company |
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lol. |
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T3 is a pair of coax. |
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kyounko |
ISDN always confused me |
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Ahzzmandi |
rg11 i *think*, maybe rg9 |
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Ahzzmandi |
nah, ISDN is a bastard superset of T1. |
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kyounko |
and then things got good with the TNT modem pools |
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Ahzzmandi |
well the PRI is. |
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kyounko |
because ea TNT just had virtual phone circuits |
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the BRI is a unique beast. |
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kyounko |
why even have a physical POP when you can just virtualize it at the telco? |
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kyounko |
I used dial up untill 2008 |
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Ahzzmandi |
ewwww |
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kyounko |
it was level3 |
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Ahzzmandi |
kyo, because it was cheaper to run my own pop than to be an ATT reseller. ;) |
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kyounko |
nuts |
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kyounko |
I live in a rural area |
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Ahzzmandi |
well there ya go. Boonie problems. |
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kyounko |
used to be mountain bell when they first brought "the phone" here |
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Ahzzmandi |
get out of the styx if you want civilized things like internet service. hehehehe |
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kyounko |
I'm not leaving |
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kyounko |
not interested in the rat race |
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Ahzzmandi |
didn't get anythign beyond 9600 at the family farm in kansas till about 8 years ago. |
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kyounko |
so they had a phone line running all the way to the farm? |
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Ahzzmandi |
yeah. |
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Ahzzmandi |
killed the shared line in 2002 finally. XD |
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kyounko |
I remember life before the internet |
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Ahzzmandi |
then got boosted DSL 5/1 in 2010. |
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Ahzzmandi |
BBS. then archie and wais. Veronica was my bitch. ;) |
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kyounko |
we had a market here for multiple lines per a single phone number |
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kyounko |
nothing to do with modems |
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Ahzzmandi |
business lines. |
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kyounko |
yes |
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kyounko |
every business had so much lines coming into them from the bell box |
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kyounko |
external jack mounts and wires everywhere |
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kyounko |
mountain bell didn't waste any time |
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Ahzzmandi |
yep. |
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Ahzzmandi |
I still hate stablock blocks. |
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Ahzzmandi |
give me twist pins over stablock any day. |
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but people used to smoke cigarettes inside the radio grill in wal-mart in those days |
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i hope the disks are delivered tomorrow. need to deploy 128TB useable in the archive server next week at work. 8-/ |
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Ahzzmandi |
chewed up the 300TB of backup spool space just about and they want to deploy another 40TB of servers in the next 2 weeks. 8-/ |
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This all seems pretty off-topic. Could you move it to #archiveteam-ot please? |
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Ahzzmandi |
yeah, sory bout that. thought -bs was for the BS. :) |
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I honestly have no idea what "bs" stands for. But yeah, this is for archival-related discussions. |
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SketchCow: your going to be get walt disney world vaction planing video with booklet scanned |
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godane |
this the 25th anniversary tape |
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godane |
*this is |
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