#archiveteam-bs 2019-04-09,Tue

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05:13 🔗 kiska I am now downloading the list, but transfer.sh is slow
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11:15 🔗 Reventlov Hi.
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11:26 🔗 paul2520 hi Reventlov
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11:52 🔗 Reventlov About Archive Bot: how does it knows at which depth it should stop when following links?
11:53 🔗 Reventlov (I ask because for example, in bn7khrtvzbr8nay7pip3k51w4, many domains that are not in the original list are crawled)
11:53 🔗 Reventlov (such as youtube videos, and so on)
11:53 🔗 Reventlov it stops at d = 1 for urls that are not on the original domains?
11:55 🔗 Reventlov by the way this might be useful to someone: https://clbin.com/uRZx4
11:56 🔗 ivan Reventlov: by default it crawls offsite links to a depth of 1, including page requisites on said pages
11:57 🔗 Reventlov ack
11:58 🔗 Reventlov so, let's say we want to crawl *.blog.lemonde.fr: is this possible to feed into ArchiveBot the links that match this regex?
11:58 🔗 Reventlov (self-feed)
11:59 🔗 ivan it can't span domains other than the ones it started with
12:00 🔗 Reventlov ok. Let's say we missed domains in the starting list: is there an easy way to extract everything in the crawled pages? Like archivebot grepping?
12:00 🔗 Reventlov (context: french blogs shutting down)
12:03 🔗 ivan you want to grep WARCs for URLs?
12:04 🔗 Reventlov well I don't have access to the WARCs files, but, yeah, something like that
12:04 🔗 ivan well they get uploaded to IA reasonably quickly
12:04 🔗 Reventlov (for example, in the case of these blogs, there is an easy way to find all the urls: it's *.blog.lemonde.fr)
12:05 🔗 ivan zcat WARC | grep -P '[-_a-zA-Z0-9]+\.blog\.lemonde\.fr' or similar
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13:08 🔗 JAA paul2520: Yes, https://archiveteam.org/dumps/ Weekly dumps there, and they also get uploaded to IA with some delay.
13:09 🔗 JAA Reventlov: "Follow any example.org subdomain and recurse on it" isn't possible with ArchiveBot, but you can do it with wpull using the --domain or --accept-regex options.
13:10 🔗 JAA (IIRC, --domain is not filtering for domains correctly, and --domain example.org would also recurse on badexample.org. That's very unlikely to be an issue in reality though.)
13:14 🔗 JAA kiska: Did you manage to get my list?
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13:15 🔗 kiska Yes I got the list, and doing *something* to it
13:16 🔗 JAA :-)
13:16 🔗 JAA I have an hour now, so I'll still try to get the wpull setup working.
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13:19 🔗 kiska JAA: I've less the list, and I've seen posts and profile endpoints, so that maybe easy to split off
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13:19 🔗 kiska And I just found the topics endpint
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13:19 🔗 kiska s/endpint/endpoint
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13:20 🔗 JAA kiska: Yeah, that list was intended as a seed for a recursive grab, so it contains everything I could find essentially.
13:20 🔗 JAA Users/channels (same but not the same?), posts, topics, and possibly some other stuff.
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13:20 🔗 kiska I guess we could do something similar to what we did during the tumblr grab and have the warriors also rsync a txt file
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13:21 🔗 JAA Yeah, collect usernames, upload them to the rsync target, add them as items, reiterate until no new users are found.
13:22 🔗 JAA s,users,users/channels,
13:22 🔗 kiska Or even collect post IDs and also rsync that
13:22 🔗 JAA (On the site, users and channels behave the same and use the same URL format, but they're separate on the API.)
13:22 🔗 JAA Hmm, not sure, I think one item should be one (or more) user and all its posts.
13:23 🔗 JAA Then you don't really need to collect post links.
13:23 🔗 JAA I just collected them because the recursion won't grab them since the later pages are loaded through JS.
13:23 🔗 kiska From what I can see, the posts/PostID endpoint will redirect to the profile/postID endpoint
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13:24 🔗 kiska So I may just exclude the posts/ endpoint in the list and see if I can grab just profiles I guess
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13:26 🔗 kiska Looks like everything in a topic will just direct to the post by a profile, so we may not grab topics, if thats the case
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13:27 🔗 JAA Yes, I believe that's the case. I used topics to discover more users/channels, basically.
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13:27 🔗 JAA Most users came from the "random users" page though, which I hammered for an hour or two.
13:27 🔗 kiska Or we can grab topics anyway since its part of a collection of posts
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13:28 🔗 kiska Ah xD maybe we can do a disco project where we just hammer that random users page
13:29 🔗 JAA Probably won't find too many more users I think.
13:29 🔗 JAA I ran it until it wasn't finding much anymore.
13:30 🔗 JAA Most important is to get it up and running quickly.
13:31 🔗 kiska We'll do more disco, if we run out of profiles
13:31 🔗 JAA Argh, not this shit again.
13:31 🔗 kiska Hrm?
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13:31 🔗 JAA Trying to compile Python 3.4 on your machines and running into OpenSSL version incompatibilities.
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13:32 🔗 Igloo How long does Hetzner typically take for first order?
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13:33 🔗 Igloo I ordered it nearly 20 hours ago and still nada :-/
13:33 🔗 Igloo Got order confirmation
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13:36 🔗 JAA Who else does machine management with for host in ...; do ssh root@${host} 'apt install something'; done ? :-)
13:36 🔗 Reventlov :p
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13:37 🔗 JAA I should do something more clever with tmux panels instead.
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13:40 🔗 eythian I tend to use ansible's ad-hoc commands.
13:40 🔗 eythian (because I use ansible for configuation anyway.)
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13:44 🔗 JAA Oooh, this is so much better.
13:44 🔗 JAA astrid: Thanks again for telling me about tmux synchronize-panes sometime last year! It's absolutely awesome.
13:45 🔗 kiska JAA: Do you require me to downgrade the version of Debian on them?
13:46 🔗 JAA kiska: No, it's fine. Just had to install the OpenSSL 1.0 headers instead of 1.1.
13:46 🔗 kiska Ah
13:46 🔗 JAA So libssl1.0-dev instead of libssl-dev.
13:47 🔗 kiska Anyway I'll start to look at starting a warrior if its needed, or if you can't get your wpull thing active
13:47 🔗 JAA I hope you don't intend to use these for anything else though since they're a mess already.
13:47 🔗 kiska Nope, they are destroyed afterwards anyway
13:47 🔗 JAA :-)
13:47 🔗 JAA The header thing is not a real issue here, but in another case I actually needed the 1.1 headers for something else.
13:48 🔗 JAA It's really annoying that you can't have both installed at the same time.
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14:13 🔗 kiska Dear lord.... What am I looking at...
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14:18 🔗 JAA ?
14:19 🔗 kiska sola.ai and the onclick event
14:23 🔗 JAA Ah
14:25 🔗 JAA Yeah, if you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you...
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16:06 🔗 JAA kiska: Just to avoid any misunderstandings, please do work towards getting it running. I'm still working on the wpull setup when I can, but there's a decent chance I won't be able to get it up in time.
16:09 🔗 JAA I got my wpull version running in principle, but there's some issue with the DB right now, and I won't have much more time tonight to work on this.
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16:10 🔗 JAA Also, who the fuck thought it's a good idea to have a footer on an infinite-scroll website??
16:10 🔗 kiska My response as well
16:10 🔗 JAA The site will shut down in a bit under 20 hours, by the way. (12:00 GMT on the 10th)
16:11 🔗 kiska Yeah I am having issues with the "Load more" button on profiles, wget isn't "clicking" them
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16:12 🔗 kiska Their js script file has 177k lines which I am having trouble parsing, seeing if I can emulate the requests
16:12 🔗 JAA JS...
16:13 🔗 JAA Yeah, I just observed the requests in the browser and then scripted around that.
16:13 🔗 JAA For scraping topics etc.
16:14 🔗 JAA For user profiles, I did /users/${user}/posts/?limit=30&offset=XXX&limit=30
16:14 🔗 JAA Yes, two times limit because reasons.
16:14 🔗 kiska Hrm... Might be able to use that to emulate the req
16:15 🔗 kiska Apparently 7c236626-a12c-48d1-990f-07e4b3c2d884 = freistaat...
16:15 🔗 JAA Yeah, each user has a UUID.
16:16 🔗 JAA That's what I looked at first to see whether there's a way to iterate over all users through integers. Nope.
16:17 🔗 kiska I am trying to figure out how they generate that UUID
16:19 🔗 JAA kiska: Here are the commands I used to generate that list, by the way; maybe it's useful. http://ix.io/1FL0+/sola.ai-cmds
16:19 🔗 JAA GNU parallel + curl is pretty nice.
16:19 🔗 kiska I'll take a look, but I am looking at their getUserPosts() function
16:20 🔗 JAA Oh wait, I used xargs with -P, not parallel, nvm.
16:21 🔗 kiska Firefox is chugging with prettifying their js
16:21 🔗 JAA Can transfer.sh please get their shit together? I have some 269k Sola API URLs for ArchiveBot...
16:22 🔗 JAA (Can't put it on ix.io since the file's way above the size limit.)
16:25 🔗 kiska pastebin?
16:25 🔗 JAA Random filenames in the AB archives? No thanks.
16:26 🔗 JAA We have too many "urls-pastebin.com-rAnDoM-inf-20180101-000000-asdfg-00000.warc.gz" files in there already.
16:27 🔗 kiska WTF is this?! https://pastebin.com/MbfJGzni
16:27 🔗 kiska The UUID is here
16:28 🔗 kiska It looks like JSON data to me
16:28 🔗 JAA Yup, it is JSON.
16:28 🔗 JAA Where's that from?
16:28 🔗 kiska The html of the profile
16:29 🔗 kiska https://sola.ai/freistaat view source this
16:29 🔗 JAA Ah
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16:29 🔗 kiska Looks like I'll be working out how to use arkiver's JSON library he used in G+ grab
16:29 🔗 arkiver ?
16:30 🔗 JAA Everything has UUID at Sola. Posts, post parts, images (I think), users, channels...
16:30 🔗 arkiver sola.ai going down?
16:30 🔗 JAA Yes, tomorrow at noon UTC.
16:31 🔗 arkiver right deadline
16:32 🔗 arkiver tight*
16:32 🔗 arkiver do we have a list of users?
16:32 🔗 kiska We have a seed located here: https://transfer.sh/bfKxz/sola.ai-out
16:32 🔗 JAA Yeah, incomplete scrape.
16:32 🔗 arkiver kiska: or are you handling this one?
16:32 🔗 JAA See also the sola.ai-cmds file I linked above.
16:33 🔗 JAA I scraped a variety of resources ("random users" page, topics, recent posts, etc.)
16:33 🔗 kiska I think the words are "attempting to"
16:33 🔗 JAA But nothing's archived yet.
16:33 🔗 arkiver JAA: can you post it for me again please
16:33 🔗 JAA 04-09 16:19:00 <@JAA> kiska: Here are the commands I used to generate that list, by the way; maybe it's useful. http://ix.io/1FL0+/sola.ai-cmds
16:34 🔗 arkiver and your results?
16:34 🔗 arkiver sorry, don´t see it here
16:34 🔗 JAA What kiska just linked.
16:34 🔗 JAA Oh wait, transfer.sh's having issues, right.
16:35 🔗 kiska *sigh*
16:36 🔗 JAA I know that feeling.
16:36 🔗 kiska I am uploading a item to IA with that file
16:36 🔗 JAA My API URL job in ArchiveBot just started retrieving stuff.
16:37 🔗 JAA So at least something is being saved.
16:37 🔗 kiska Ah excellent!
16:38 🔗 JAA Need to go now, so I won't get my wpull grab up probably. Anything you can do will be greatly appreciated.
16:38 🔗 JAA Or should I split the list up and at least !ao < it?
16:39 🔗 JAA (I know you suggested that before and I said it'd be incomplete since it's only a seed list, but something's better than nothing, and with the deadline looming...)
16:39 🔗 kiska Can we split? Put a web server on one of the machines I gave you
16:39 🔗 kiska And feed the urls that way into AB
16:40 🔗 JAA Hmm, it seems like there are some free resources on AB at the moment anyway since my API job ended up on a normal pipeline.
16:40 🔗 JAA Don't have time to set up AB right now.
16:41 🔗 kiska You don't need to setup AB, just set one of them up as a web server, split files and upload to that machine. feed resulting url to AB. I'll try and set up AB on those machines once I give up
16:41 🔗 kiska s/files/list
16:41 🔗 JAA Ah
16:42 🔗 JAA Yeah, that's basically what I just did with my irssi machine for the API grab. python3 -m http.server FTW.
16:42 🔗 kiska Ah xD
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16:45 🔗 arkiver 2.8 million users?
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16:45 🔗 JAA No, that file has users, posts, and a bunch of other stuff.
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16:46 🔗 JAA Don't remember how many users I found, I think ~60k or so?
16:46 🔗 arkiver ah I see
16:46 🔗 kiska Here is IA item: https://archive.org/details/sola.ai-out
16:46 🔗 arkiver right, probably no warrior project needed?
16:46 🔗 kiska If you can't see the list
16:46 🔗 arkiver thanks
16:46 🔗 arkiver yeah, got it from JAA
16:46 🔗 kiska Ah xD
16:46 🔗 JAA 61513 users
16:47 🔗 arkiver I don´t think we really need a warrior project for this?
16:50 🔗 kiska I don't think we do either, but as JAA said his scrape is certainly incomplete
16:51 🔗 JAA arkiver: The idea was to start a recursive grab from that list, but that's too large for ArchiveBot or a single wpull instance. So I wanted to do a distributed grab with my special wpull version for that, but I didn't have enough time to get that running as I'm really busy this week.
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18:34 🔗 ayanami_ So this one forum I'm on, all of a sudden, without any notice, is removing anything and everything off topic
18:35 🔗 ayanami_ to the main purpose of the forum
18:35 🔗 ayanami_ Kind of want to do a quick archivebot job but it might be too big
18:36 🔗 ayanami_ https://forum.gethopscotch.com/t/changes-to-the-forum/51127 Here's a link
18:37 🔗 ayanami_ I don't really go on this forum often though so I didnt know until I logged in just now
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21:31 🔗 Fusl why is the tracker down?
21:36 🔗 astrid seems up from here
21:36 🔗 astrid what do you mean by down
21:36 🔗 astrid [astrid@xn--zoty-01a:14:36 0 ~]$ uptime
21:36 🔗 astrid 14:36:57 up 136 days, 5:45, 2 users, load average: 1.75, 1.97, 2.06
21:37 🔗 Fusl down as in http://xor.meo.ws/2efd5efc/091a/4558/acea/66234909aafa.png
21:37 🔗 Fusl We're sorry, but something went wrong.
21:37 🔗 Fusl The issue has been logged for investigation. Please try again later.
21:37 🔗 astrid hm yeah that looks hosed
21:38 🔗 astrid above my pay grade, sorry
21:39 🔗 Fusl above my access level, sorry
21:39 🔗 Fusl and i'm off now anyways so
21:39 🔗 Fusl Kaz chfoo: any of you wanna take a look?
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21:39 🔗 Kaz Will look soon
21:44 🔗 chfoo redis needs a restart
21:44 🔗 Kaz Fixed?
21:45 🔗 Kaz I did it
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23:23 🔗 JAA Ah crap, my ArchiveBot jobs for sola.ai are not retrieving the post contents because the URLs I threw in are redirects.
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23:34 🔗 JAA kiska, arkiver: ^
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23:56 🔗 JAA Or more precisely, because they're redirects to a different path (e.g. /posts/YWRmZGV/ -> /informative/i-got-5-want-more-peoples-come-on-at-comments-we-will-creat-YWRmZGV).
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