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03:11 🔗 JAA VoynichCr: May I suggest moving Template:URLAB to Template:ArchiveBot/URL ?
03:11 🔗 JAA (Assuming subpages for templates are possible)
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05:47 🔗 godane1 SketchCow: magazine scans you may want : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BweO6Y13Cmc4TF9hNHVUN0I2NmM
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07:07 🔗 VoynichCr JAA: sure... though i wanted the shortest name possible, to minimize KBs in long pages
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16:34 🔗 SketchCow VoynichCr: Thanks, we'll take him out back
16:42 🔗 SketchCow godane: I know the scanner of those documents. I'll take to him.
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17:51 🔗 ola_norsk Would anyone happen to know what argument to use with the IA client to keep an item from doing derivatives on an item?
17:52 🔗 SketchCow Looking
17:52 🔗 SketchCow -H x-archive-queue-derive:0
17:52 🔗 ola_norsk ty
17:56 🔗 JAA 'ia upload' also has a --no-derive option which is easier to remember.
17:56 🔗 SketchCow Oh yeah, see
17:56 🔗 SketchCow I assumed he checked that
17:57 🔗 SketchCow Both work
17:58 🔗 ola_norsk i remember there was a 'metadata' way , eg '--metadata=no_deriv:false' or something like that. Or am i remembering incorrectly?
17:59 🔗 ola_norsk either way, thanks for help
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18:00 🔗 SketchCow No, metadata sets things
18:01 🔗 SketchCow Headers are different
18:01 🔗 ola_norsk ok
18:01 🔗 SketchCow That said, there's absolutely this undocumented to the public set of metadata pairs that "do" things
18:01 🔗 SketchCow Like setting mediatype makes different things happen. Setting things like ppi-direct tells the deriver what to set the dpi to regardless of what it sees. Etc.
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18:06 🔗 ola_norsk It's possible i might be confusing what i felt i'd remembered having read on the earlier IA 'how to upload' help pages with the '--no-derive' argument. Been duckduckgoing for the past 30 minutes trying to figure it out. But thanks again 🍺
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20:13 🔗 betamax Out of curiosity, once you've uploaded an item with --no-derive, is there a command you can run at a later point to start the derivation?
20:13 🔗 betamax (I'm thinking of projects where I upload a large number of items in a short time, but don't want to clog up IAs derive queues)
20:14 🔗 JAA Hah! I was wondering the same a while ago and didn't find anything, so I dug around what happens when you click "re-derive" in the browser and wrote this: https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/little-things/blob/master/ia-derive
20:19 🔗 betamax For a clueless idiot, is it just "./ia-derive <identifier>"?
20:20 🔗 betamax Amd is config/ia.ini a cookies.txt like cookie files?
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20:27 🔗 JAA Yup, that's the usage. ~/.config/ia.ini is the file that the ia tool uses for authentication on uploads etc. Turns out it also works for this.
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21:22 🔗 el-topo hi
21:22 🔗 el-topo first, I know this isn't #archive.org
21:22 🔗 Kaz JAA: cheers, brain wasn't working
21:22 🔗 JAA sets mode: +o Kaz
21:22 🔗 el-topo how about alternate DNS roots like the Opennic project and .bit domains, is there any archiving of that stuff?
21:23 🔗 JAA I'm not aware of anyone doing anything in that direction. There has been discussion about OpenNIC before though.
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21:26 🔗 el-topo Opennic domains might not be used that much, but there seem to be a growing interest in .bit domains for use with Zeronet. You could say that a Zeronet site gets archived as soon as you peer it though.
21:29 🔗 HCross Fusl ^ I know that is your sort of thing
21:31 🔗 Kaz I guess in theory, there's no reason why opennic TLDs won't work in wayback
21:39 🔗 Fusl speaking of .bit, looks like we'll be de-peering namecoin/.bit soon anyways
21:39 🔗 Fusl https://wiki.opennic.org/votings
21:42 🔗 el-topo oups, well I see the reason it might have to be done
21:47 🔗 el-topo and illegal stuff is something that shouldn't be archived of course
21:55 🔗 hook54321 Awhile ago I emailed Mark (director about the Wayback Machine) about getting OpenNIC domains into the Wayback Machine
21:55 🔗 el-topo hook54321, no reply yet?
21:56 🔗 hook54321 I did get one, he seemed interested in getting them in there.
21:57 🔗 el-topo cool, so it might be happening in the near future
21:57 🔗 hook54321 I haven't gotten around to setting up a pipeline specifically for OpenNIC domains, having someone create a separate collection for those WARCs, and other stuff yet.
22:03 🔗 hook54321 There's some concerns about how OpenNIC peers with namecoin (due to namecoin specific things, Fusl can probably provide specific technical details if someone is curious), so even if OpenNIC stays peered with them it likely wouldn't be archived through the use of OpenNIC DNS servers.
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