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We're archiving medium? |
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i think HCross has a lot of that |
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SketchCow: working on a small project just by myself ye |
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OK. |
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SketchCow |
HCross: There is now https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_medium and they'll end up there. |
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HCross |
Oooh, thank you. I'll update my end when I send the next lot over |
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No, keep shoving in inbox |
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The director will direc |
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ah ok |
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This is The System Working |
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Ryz: were created around 2010 |
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SketchCow: also please see https://archive.org/details/KCNA24112019 - this is a North Korean news site which is only accessible from Japanese IP addresses - grabbed it using a JP VPN |
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Woo? |
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You definitely found a way to add the absolute least amount of metadata |
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SketchCow |
It looks like it's able to remove metadata from everything it touches |
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Idk, there's the name of the website and the grab date in the item name. Could be worse. :-P |
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It would take major effort to be worse |
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I'll start uploading everything into items with a random UUID as the ID. |
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SketchCow |
Yes, that's your takeaway |
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:-) |
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Eventually Brew-boy is going to go "Why does archive team upload thousands of essentially blank items" |
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Fun fact: because there's no separator between "KCNA" and the date, you can't even find that item on https://archive.org/search.php?query=KCNA&sort=-publicdate |
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VoynichCr |
https://twitter.com/MattNavarra/status/1199264642264190976 |
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so Twitter is deleting, probably, million of accounts in 15 days |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/KCNA24112019 got pizzaz |
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SketchCow: Wrong date at the end, it's 24 Nov, not 11. |
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Fixed |
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Mm, wondering if The-Eye can take on the Twitter deletion task, I'm not strongly familiar with their actions and process at their insides~ |
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that's odemgi ? |
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Ryz, details? |
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odemgi: https://twitter.com/MattNavarra/status/1199264642264190976 |
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Accounts that don't agree to the current ToS will be purged in less than two weeks. |
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Yeah, VoynichCr has first brought it up here~ |
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Er, a bit over two weeks. |
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anarcat wants twitter.com/anarcat :p |
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odemgi |
Hmm, I haven't done backfill on twitter yet, but I'm currently archiving around 80% in realtime. If we want the pages and not just the json I'm going to need help, cc arkiver |
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There's almost certainly no way to detect whether an account has done so, so we'd have to archive all of it, which would be two-digit PB if including media etc. |
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JAA, we could just go after accounts that haven't tweeted in some numbers of days, weeks, but have more than 5 or some number of tweets tbd |
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odemgi |
I'll grab a list for us to run through, give me a few hours my shits heavily compressed |
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Then we'd need a list of those accounts. Does that exist? |
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"archiving 80% in realtime" what does it mean? |
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is IA archiving all Twitter realtime? |
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Curious question odemgi, is The-Eye whitelisted for IA's WBM? |
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odemgi |
we don't fuck around on our end and I've previously archived our pages there so :shrug: |
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VoynichCr, exactly what I said, I'm getting raw json in realtime, let's not talk overly much about this due to it not all really being above board and the more we talk about it the more likely I am to get locked out. |
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nice |
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https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/26/20984328/twitter-removing-inactive-accounts-usernames-available-date |
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Huh, so this isn't about the ToS at all? |
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"We have begun proactive outreach to many accounts who have not logged into Twitter in over six months to inform them that their accounts may be permanently removed due to prolonged inactivity." |
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six months = prolonged inactivity |
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JAA |
Obviously, anyone who doesn't use Twitter daily is a degenerate. |
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JAA |
-- Twitter management, probably |
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they are going to do this on batches, and probably they will change when people start to shout at them a bit |
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Yeah, will be interesting to see how it develops once it gets more widely known. |
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https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/inactive-twitter-accounts |
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Arctic |
What did you mean by “the TOS issue has already been disproven by Google corporate”, markedL? |
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Arctic |
Sorry if you already said this, I had to leave before I would’ve seen it. |
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markedL |
I remember someone posted a message from Google that said they're not referring to content but to YouTube features |
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markedL |
this seems to be primary source: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1193975620755001344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1193975620755001344&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.sg%2Fyoutube-confirms-it-wont-delete-non-money-making-accounts-34319 |
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Proper link without tracking bullshit: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1193975620755001344 |
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markedL |
sorry, yes. better, thank you. this is interesting in terms of what edits are allowed on an existing video. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/55770 |
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Oh, I see. |
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Arctic |
It’s still possible that YouTube w’ll be deleting a lot of videos from inactive accounts due to the set audience issue. |
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so why does the set audience issue result in a deletion? |
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the only deletion issue I know of is content creators pulling content themselves because they think it opens themselves to FTC fine liability |
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I predict this concern will subside somewhat when they realize the FTC will follow them where ever, and where ever will make less money |
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The FTC won't follow them wherever, because not everyone uses targeted ads/sponsors |
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But things could get interesting if there's an FCC ADA enforcement of closed captioning on internet videos |
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I could see a future where videos can only become monetized if all dialog is professionally and accurately trascribed for the deaf-and-hard-of-hearing. That could cost channels many tens of thousands of dollars to retroactively go back and CC their content |
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Raccoon |
as it's required of all commercially published video in america |
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markedL |
google for kids doesnt use tracking ads, so why put effort into moving content vs just checking a box |
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markedL: people paying for ads checkbox "we want tracking only" |
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if there are no non-tracking ads available, none will appear on your videos, you won't make money. |
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Wondering what's the costs of not-tracking ads, less than tracking ads? |
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I haven't used google analytics in ages, but people want to see how many ad impressions turn into customers |
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Raccoon |
that's the reason you pay for the service, at all |
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Also wondering if there's a way to only advertise on just one YouTube channel; because so far it seems to be just wide-ranging no matter how narrow or wide it would be~ |
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I think we're mainly going to see a lot more people adopting the patreon crowd-donor model, and soliciting direct video sponsors. |
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I am curious if Google is even allowed to report on whether a 12 year old clicks on an ad or not. Or whether Google is even allowed to report on whether a 12 year old made an ad impression or not. As those are forms of interactive tracking, technically. |
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The FCC might totally ban all ad insight of any and all forms for Kids. |
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*FTC |
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