#archiveteam-bs 2019-12-13,Fri

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00:25 πŸ”— OrIdow6 The DeveloperWorks site seems to consist of a number of "communities" (groups). Each community has several of what I will call "features" (overview, recent updates, etc.).
00:26 πŸ”— OrIdow6 Some "features" are what are clled "apps". I assume that the underlying reason some are apps and some are not is that apps were written/maintained by different groups of people, but how this manifests itself to the user is that all apps (except for the "Activities" app, which is completely restricted to registered users, as far as I can tell) have a life of their own, and can have items in them not attached to a c
00:26 πŸ”— OrIdow6 as the rest of the "features" must be tied to a community.
00:29 πŸ”— OrIdow6 Archiving it looks like like it would be fairly complicated - if you are in a community, some apps are accessed purely by AJAX, to the point that you nominally stay on some other URL, nearly everything has several GET parameters, & a lot of other caveats
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00:35 πŸ”— betamax Anyone here want to help out archiving stuff related to the UK 2019 General Election?
00:35 πŸ”— betamax I have a lists of:
00:35 πŸ”— betamax twitter accounts (2740)
00:35 πŸ”— betamax facebook accounts (2701)
00:35 πŸ”— betamax websites (3573)
00:35 πŸ”— betamax instagram accounts (202)
00:35 πŸ”— betamax youtube accounts (55)
00:36 πŸ”— betamax if no one else wants to do this, I can probably do it at some point, but I really want to focus on Yahoo Groups for the next two days
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01:14 πŸ”— Ryz betamax, maybe JAA or I could~ Elections are JAA's thing~ o.o;
01:14 πŸ”— jodizzle betamax: Sure, I was going to look at UK stuff anyway.
01:15 πŸ”— jodizzle Or Ryz
01:15 πŸ”— jodizzle Want to make an Elections page? https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Elections
01:15 πŸ”— betamax I'm bogged down with Yahoo Groups right now, so would only be able to do such things on Sunday
01:16 πŸ”— betamax but it would be great if you could make a start
01:16 πŸ”— Ryz ...Ugh, creating ArchiveBot pages of it was rough~ <#>;
01:16 πŸ”— betamax scraping all the twitters, facebooks and websites in particular will take an age, so getting started early would be a benifit
01:17 πŸ”— jodizzle betamax: You could just dump all the links in a page like this, unformatted, and we can start sorting through them: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Elections/2020_United_States_presidential_election
01:17 πŸ”— jodizzle With that many social media accounts, it might be better to do them in one big snscrape file than try to feed them through socialbot one at a time
01:18 πŸ”— Ryz jodizzle, keep in mind this is the UK, United Kingdom~
01:18 πŸ”— jodizzle Right
01:19 πŸ”— jodizzle I meant just a page like that, under 'Elections/'
01:19 πŸ”— jodizzle You'd have to make a new one
01:19 πŸ”— jodizzle Basically just somewhere to put the list
01:20 πŸ”— Ryz betamax, do you have the list for me or others to process?
01:22 πŸ”— betamax yup, gimmie a set
01:22 πŸ”— betamax *sec
01:24 πŸ”— betamax http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=26959359146283624475
01:24 πŸ”— betamax that's a zip file with a text file for the twitters, a text file for the facebooks, etc....
01:25 πŸ”— betamax (sorry for using sucj a terrible file storage site, by the way!)
01:25 πŸ”— Ryz Gonna probably go for Instagram pages first~
01:25 πŸ”— jodizzle Ryz: I'm going to dump these on an 'Election/' page, so that we can have a public point of reference
01:26 πŸ”— Ryz From there, I will label the jobs with "UK 2019 General Election"
01:27 πŸ”— betamax huge thanks for doing this
01:27 πŸ”— jodizzle I could also run snscrape on e.g., the twitters in parallel on one of my machines to make it go faster. Though maybe using socialbot is still better, since it pings chromebot
01:28 πŸ”— jodizzle Not sure
01:42 πŸ”— jodizzle Ryz: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Elections/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election
01:42 πŸ”— jodizzle For reference
01:42 πŸ”— jodizzle I might do some cleanup there, there's a decent amount of duplication
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03:52 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: you going to be getting some japanese radio program that had archives going back to 2000
03:53 πŸ”— godane https://www.stv.jp/radio/podcast/ainugo/index.html
04:14 πŸ”— Wingy Flashfire the worker uses the browser’s fetch api to get the results from the straw poll api then pushes them in blocks of 1000 to my server.
04:15 πŸ”— Frogging super cool
04:15 πŸ”— Frogging nice job
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04:29 πŸ”— Flashfire So Wingy does that mean I should just leave it open?
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04:39 πŸ”— Frogging Flashfire: As long as you want to be fetching straw poll, yes
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04:54 πŸ”— Wingy Flashfire if you want to you can :)
04:55 πŸ”— Wingy if the progress bars stop resetting something has gone wrong. Ping me if they stop resetting.
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05:16 πŸ”— Flashfire wingy if you write any other archivers like this let me know. Just letting my browser do the work is easiest
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06:06 πŸ”— SketchCow https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1541
06:06 πŸ”— SketchCow https://poal.co/s/ModAbuse/120094
06:06 πŸ”— SketchCow I think we can all agree this assertion is accurate
06:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Naturally, anyone who disagrees with be kicked to death
06:08 πŸ”— Raccoon You've been cancel cultured. You can't hold an opinion now as you've been invalidated.
06:13 πŸ”— Raccoon lol, an opinion from 2004 no less.
06:14 πŸ”— oxguy3 can someone add this to archivebot? it's 113MB of documents related to major league baseball's international broadcasts http://mlbigsp.majorleaguebaseball.com/filestore/
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06:22 πŸ”— Raccoon wbm is going to town on it. http://web.archive.org/web/20191213062050/http://mlbigsp.majorleaguebaseball.com/filestore/
06:22 πŸ”— oxguy3 grazi grazi
06:23 πŸ”— oxguy3 oh wait, sorry -- i tried to archive it using archive.org's archiving tool, but it only grabbed a random handful of the files instead of all of them
06:24 πŸ”— Raccoon i did it and it seemed to work
06:24 πŸ”— Raccoon used 'save outlinks'
06:24 πŸ”— Raccoon didn't verify every file as it's still working
06:24 πŸ”— oxguy3 yeah i saved outlinks too, and it grabbed a big list of outlinks, but it was only a subset of the whole directory
06:25 πŸ”— Raccoon try poking at them in an hour to see if a random set are all there
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07:41 πŸ”— * whytho slaps eientei95 around a bit with a large fishbot
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12:26 πŸ”— Myself I just got here so I don't know if this was previously mentioned: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/ea0wx2/urgent_request_federal_databases_disappearing/ more info https://envirodatagov.org/goodbye-to-toxmap-and-our-environmental-right-to-know/
12:40 πŸ”— godane so good news is i'm grabbing there technical bulletin
12:40 πŸ”— godane goes back to 1969
12:45 πŸ”— Myself folks in the reddit thread suggested it's already being hit so hard as to impact the servers, though =/ them folks need coordination!
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13:47 πŸ”— Wingy Flashfire Will do :)
13:56 πŸ”— Kaz Looking at tracker.
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14:05 πŸ”— Wingy kiska: Does Irista have anything public?
14:07 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: i noticed my folder was gone on FOS
14:07 πŸ”— godane i recreated that folder and i'm finally uploading the cnn sports tape
14:23 πŸ”— eythian https://old.reddit.com/r/mobileweb/comments/e7yivg/join_reddit_to_keep_reading_an_account_is_now/
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14:29 πŸ”— jc86035 my warrior instances are not loading any projects, even after restarting Docker. is this a known issue / is there a known resolution?
14:29 πŸ”— jc86035 > Phooey… No warrior projects are available for participation yet!
14:29 πŸ”— jc86035 > seesaw.warrior - DEBUG - Warrior ID ''.
14:32 πŸ”— markedL jc86035 tracker is down, assume it's related unless it persists
14:32 πŸ”— jc86035 noted
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16:44 πŸ”— SketchCow The FTP site isn't an empty locker room that gets reservations. When people upload, they can create folders, everything does that for it.
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20:01 πŸ”— erkinalp https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21780092
20:01 πŸ”— erkinalp is a rush needed to write a warrior script
20:01 πŸ”— erkinalp for this reddit change
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20:03 πŸ”— erkinalp https://old.reddit.com/r/mobileweb/comments/e7yivg/join_reddit_to_keep_reading_an_account_is_now/
20:04 πŸ”— erkinalp as stated by asWhydoineedanemail69
20:05 πŸ”— satoshi i think maybe they will get rid of old.reddit.com first
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20:07 πŸ”— SootBectr "I was enjoying the new mobile Reddit experience..." my guess is the desktop version won't follow anytime soon
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20:13 πŸ”— erkinalp then it's middle priority
20:13 πŸ”— Frogging I have only observed the behaviour on mobile, and only inconsistently. But I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/old-reddit-redirect/ on my desktop so I wouldn't know how the desktop new site behaves
20:13 πŸ”— SootBectr Interesting stats for old/new/apps/mobile from a top 100 sub here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21782685
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20:14 πŸ”— erkinalp i'm using the new desktop site but always as a logged in user
20:14 πŸ”— erkinalp so cannot tell anything
20:15 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: be careful to no upload my tape rips for a while
20:15 πŸ”— godane my wifi acted up
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21:35 πŸ”— markedL we've got a channel for reddit called #shreddit
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21:53 πŸ”— JAA "I was enjoying the new mobile Reddit experience..." - Sentences that have never been said by anyone.
22:00 πŸ”— Raccoon https://www.google.com/search?q=Sorry+about+formatting+on+mobile+site%3Areddit.com -- 158,000 results
22:30 πŸ”— jc86035 is down-the-tube (YouTube liked lists) still active?
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22:32 πŸ”— OrIdow6 It more or less was suspended when some human at YT made a change to ban us (or so I am told)
22:33 πŸ”— OrIdow6 And it looks like they've gone private, now
22:34 πŸ”— jc86035 great
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22:46 πŸ”— markedL we need to do thumbnails next
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22:51 πŸ”— Raccoon YahooSucks deadlines tonight.
22:59 πŸ”— pnJay I always feel so bad when we miss
22:59 πŸ”— pnJay but we also almost always miss.
23:13 πŸ”— jodizzle Didn't they push the deadline back?
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23:14 πŸ”— markedL not for the web, they reset a deadline for GetMyData
23:15 πŸ”— jodizzle Ah
23:16 πŸ”— SootBectr It's tomorrow, no? "11:59 PM PT on Dec 14, 2019"
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23:28 πŸ”— SootBectr The website shutdown, that is.
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23:38 πŸ”— betamax we're not sure. Before they extended the deadline, GMD requests needed to be made bt 11.59PM PST
23:38 πŸ”— betamax seems logical that this would also be the wesbite shutdown...
23:38 πŸ”— betamax but there's been nothing logical about this so far
23:41 πŸ”— JAA That's 2019-12-15 07:59 UTC for those who aren't on the US west coast.
23:43 πŸ”— SootBectr Quote is from https://twitter.com/YahooCare/status/1204312076379926528
23:43 πŸ”— JAA (Also, fuck people who use "PT" instead of PDT or PST.)
23:44 πŸ”— markedL nobody knows how to use PST vs PDT here, so you're screwed no matter
23:45 πŸ”— SootBectr I have no idea what they even stand for, thanks for UTC-ifying it for ease of use
23:45 πŸ”— JAA Winter = PST, summer = PDT. This isn't hard.
23:45 πŸ”— jc86035 (PST is -8, PDT is -7)
23:46 πŸ”— markedL people will say PST when PDT is in effect out of habit
23:46 πŸ”— JAA Yes, there are many idiots out there.
23:46 πŸ”— markedL PT is idiot proof
23:46 πŸ”— JAA Yes, and also idiotic.
23:47 πŸ”— Myself It bugs me that P_S_T isn't in _s_ummer. That's what always screws me up.
23:47 πŸ”— Myself If I care, I give a UTC offset.
23:47 πŸ”— SootBectr How about how UTC stands for Coordinated Universal Time?
23:48 πŸ”— JAA Β―\_(ツ)_/Β― At least UTC is unambiguous.
23:48 πŸ”— JAA What the abbreviation means exactly doesn't even matter.
23:49 πŸ”— JAA With "PT", it's always a guessing game in spring and autumn whether the US already switched to/from DST because *of course* the switch is not on the same date everywhere.
23:49 πŸ”— JAA Anyway, </rant>
23:50 πŸ”— Myself In most other languages, the noun comes first, so it'd be TCU or TUC. In English, we put the noun at the end, so CUT. They deliberately chose UTC as to be neutral and favor neither.
23:50 πŸ”— JAA Correct, and more precisely, it's a compromise between English and French.
23:51 πŸ”— SootBectr Yep
23:51 πŸ”— klg_ PT isn't really ambiguous either, it's just not fixed to UTC, but it is fixed with regard to other US zones so it's just as convenient for people there
23:51 πŸ”— SootBectr I don't care, was just asking if it bugged Myself too :)
23:52 πŸ”— JAA klg_: That's exactly my point, it's convenient only for people inside the US, but it's used in contexts relevant to people outside of the US.
23:52 πŸ”— JAA And yes, "PT" can be ambiguous during one hour in autumn.
23:53 πŸ”— JAA s/can be/is/
23:53 πŸ”— SootBectr Swatch Internet Time will save us all, one day.
23:53 πŸ”— klg_ where?
23:53 πŸ”— markedL afaik, Swatch is no longer making beat time watches
23:54 πŸ”— SootBectr That just makes the time more valuable
23:54 πŸ”— Myself If Swatch had based it in UTC instead of Switzerland time (UTC+1), I'd still be championing it.
23:55 πŸ”— markedL half the point was it was arbitrary, that everyone should just deal with it
23:56 πŸ”— JAA klg_: You mean, when? On the switch from DST to standard time, the hour between 02:00 and 03:00 local time occurs twice. So "2019-10-27 02:30 PT" is ambiguous.
23:56 πŸ”— klg_ oh that, okay
23:56 πŸ”— JAA And that shit is why nobody in their right mind would ever use a local TZ for storing dates.
23:57 πŸ”— Myself UTC has leapseconds too. TAI is the only sensible thing.
23:57 πŸ”— klg_ except when they need to schedule events in their local time zone which might unpredictably change before that event happens
23:57 πŸ”— JAA Leap seconds are still unambiguous, just a bit annoying to handle since your seconds counter can become 60.
23:58 πŸ”— JAA That's why you regularly update your time zone data.
23:58 πŸ”— JAA Anyway, this definitely no longer belongs in this channel.
23:58 πŸ”— Myself Oh hey, there's -ot over there
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