[01:44] hmm [01:44] http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/06/04/1831228/nosql-document-storage-benefits-and-drawbacks [01:45] I'm surprised "that video" wasn't mentioned in the first post [01:49] "Now I'm cleaning a cistern of chicken shit, but I don't care because I don't have to listen to the nosql fanboys reciting the feature list of their favorite schema-free database." [02:05] sounds good to me [02:05] where do I sign up [02:10] "you are going to blow some project to hell, because you get a woody playing with software like it is a sex doll" [02:10] unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; > finger ; mount ; fsck ; > more ; yes ; umount ; sleep, [02:10] hahahaha [02:17] Coderjoe: that article is nearly content-free [02:18] as is the term "NoSQL" [02:18] indeed [02:18] I am kind of surprised at how many people just don't get it, but I guess that's what happens when an inaccurate blanket term takes off [02:18] the number of people I've seen who say that CouchDB isn't transactional is kind of amazing [02:19] (whatever "transactional" means) [05:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwzxDRmBcsI&t=0m15s [05:19] chronomex: i missed it. what happened? [05:20] ummm [05:20] there was some stupid discussion [05:20] I forget what exactly [05:20] ah [05:20] but it was stupid, I guarantee you that [05:20] heh [05:20] well this channel seems fine for that kind of thing [05:20] not worth looking for in logs [05:21] mk [05:23] Worms Reloaded: Game of the Year Edition install (i guess packed in rars but still) is only 571 MiB [05:24] arrith: http://badcheese.com/~steve/atlogs/?chan=archiveteam&day=2012-05-27 [05:24] if you still care [05:24] search for rms [05:26] ah [05:26] just dnova [05:26] thanks btw [06:43] i hate debian sometimes. reading that wheezy is set to freeze sometime this month set for a feb 2013 release [06:44] heh [06:44] im glad they like to make sure everything works but its always so behind in terms of driver support sometimes [06:44] it can be slow as fuck sometimes [06:55] S[h]O[r]T: i think you should run constnatly usable testing [06:55] or one of the ones based on sid [06:55] debian is nice since its totally community run but stable enough for top datacenters [06:56] best of both worlds [06:57] debian is nice because it does things for you by default but if you tell it to fuck off, it steps away and lets you do it yourself. [06:57] that's why I use it. [06:59] S[h]O[r]T: i think you'd be happy with fedora, or i guess arch if you're okay with bleeding edge kernels [06:59] yeah i dont use debian internally, but just offer latest for clients who want it. [07:00] yeah fedora rarely gives me issues except for getting used to NetworkManager [07:00] you cant tell it to fuckoff anymore [07:00] sucks [07:01] pushed its way into CentOS 6 as well, but its not as bad as it once was in fedora 12/13 [07:02] i like not having to touch a machine for some years unless i want to and there aren't too many distros that offer that without paying for it [13:57] tralalalalala. [13:57] :( [13:57] not the same as trololololol :( [13:59] debian administrators are.... well I can't say nice things [13:59] they all seem so far up their own... yeah. [13:59] :/ [13:59] * SmileyG prefers gentoo :D [14:24] * S[h]O[r]T high fives SmileyG [14:24] gentoo ftw [14:24] :D [15:25] S[h]O[r]T: not sure what you're talking about re: NetworkManager in CentOS 6 [15:26] I've got a CentOS 6.2 stock image here, NetworkManager isn't running [15:58] hahahahaha gentoo [16:32] chronomex: my sentiments exactly [16:33] If I wanted an OS with that little handholding, I'd throw out the cute wrapper and just blast through my own version of hlfs [16:46] that little handholding? [16:46] yes, because theres no gentoo documentation. [16:46] because it doesn't fetch and build the sources for all the packages in portage. [16:47] yup yup [16:47] but distro wars are pointless :P [16:53] I know :) [16:53] I'll always have a special place in my heart for debian, it's what I started on. Taste and preference is exactly that, no point in fighting over it. [16:57] yup [16:57] thats why I love gentoo [16:57] i tried suse, debian, centos... [16:57] all at a time when I had no pc other the one I was "testing" on, trying to get up and running [16:58] Gentoo allowed me to do that easily at the time, and I fell in love with its documents and philosphy. [16:59] That's good :) [16:59] yup :LD [16:59] I figure finding a linux os that's right for you is kind of like finding a good friend [17:00] Takes a bit of work, but once you find the right one... [17:00] there's nothing that can replace it [17:00] My favorites are debian and (curiously) freebsd [17:00] yeah [17:00] We use CentOS at work, some things it does infuriate me, and I'm like "WHY CAN'T YOU BE GENTOO FFS?" [17:01] I'm not sure what it is about freebsd. There are lots of issues, but when I set it up just the right way, I walk away and don't touch it for a year. I love that. [17:01] but if I started with CentOS, I'd likely say the same about gentoo [17:01] haha yeah centos [17:01] I tried to make a centos based media center -- learned that was a bad idea :P [17:02] :D [17:02] Gentoo allows me to "ignore" the system as such, and get on with what I want to do [17:02] but if I want to get grubby, I can. [17:02] * Aranje nods [17:02] tarring the huge user I mentioned earlier [17:02] i/o lock reached D: [17:03] D: [17:03] slllllllloooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [17:03] hmmm [17:03] this is gonna eat my internet [17:03] grub serial console setup. this stuff scares me. [17:03] something fierce [17:04] haha [17:04] user 232354? [17:04] I think that's just the id he or she is given [17:05] it? [17:05] Whatever, I can't keep track of where we're at with gender equality and shit [17:06] heh heh heh `It is also my belief that inside every tool is a HAMMER` [17:09] hmmm [17:09] Aranje: randomly, you don't mess with serial consoles and grub very much do you? :D [17:09] I don't even know what it is :D [17:09] okj haha [17:09] I was not computing when serial anything was used [17:09] hmmm [17:09] (commonly, I guess) [17:10] lots of stuff still uses serial ;) [17:10] Haha I'll take your word for it [17:10] I think I know what the plug looks like, but I don't believe I have anything that still has one [17:10] http://dpaste.org/EGOWq/ [17:10] Aranje: tv recievers? [17:10] routers [17:10] raid array devices... [17:11] I dunno what a tv receiver is, and my router does not have one [17:11] raid devices [17:11] uhh [17:11] * Aranje pulls out his 1u and pops it open to see [17:11] hehe [17:11] is [17:11] IOIOI serial? [17:12] Looks like it's got ~9 pins [17:12] yah [17:12] hah, cool [17:12] 1u has one [17:12] * Aranje really should use that thing, it just sits under my bed [17:13] 4g of ecc ram, dual processor, 200g of raided 15krpm drives [17:13] :/ [17:15] It's a waste not to use, but I've got no place that can silence a jet engine [17:15] your router almost certainly has one, just not exposed for you to see [17:15] pins on the inside maybe [17:15] my linksys's never had one (that was a real plug port) [17:15] It had a... jtag or whatever [17:16] for uh emergency recovery >_> [17:16] cisco likes to shove it into an rj45 connector [17:16] Aranje: hmmmm 200gb isn't much these days :S [17:16] even if they 15k rpm drives. :/ [17:16] SmileyG: Yup, it's from 2004 or so though [17:16] yah [17:16] dual psu, all that jazz [17:16] separate management board [17:16] we have aload of old servers like that at work [17:16] morning [17:16] it's a nice box [17:16] we chucked lots in a skip ;D [17:17] haha [17:17] I wish I could have more, but I've no place to put them [17:17] they're loud [17:17] yeah [17:17] one day maybe I'll get a rack in my loft :D [17:17] :D [17:17] Yeah, someday here too :> [22:11] http://www.behance.net/gallery/VINCCI-BIT-HOTEL/4014281 [23:00] have you seen this yet (if you're following sketchcow on twitter you have): http://blog.crysys.hu/2012/06/stuxnet-duqu-flame-open-source-license-questions-v0/ [23:11] Gah, quassel is stuck displaying the wrong nick for me [23:12] ...and easily fixed. [23:38] Odd side effect of AT stuff... the podcast of the Venus transit is very choppy. It may just be the server getting hammered but I'm pretty sure it's at my end. [23:38] Yay, bandwidth-draining archiving! [23:41] Fun! [23:43] archivismfor fun and profit [23:43] mostly fun