[01:06] mistym: I did a small amount of testing last night (when testing the used Canopus ADVC-300 I picked up on ebay) and found that, with the 2 minute tv clip I captured, ffv1 (with no tweaks, just using the default params) and flac audio came out to smaller than the original dv, and kept the colorspace [01:07] Coderjoe: Wow, not bad not hardly at all [01:07] sadly, I can't keep the video in dv and use flac audio, because the dvvideo format specifies an exact bitrate, which includes space for the audio [01:09] granted, the source video was really clean, from an iptv box (uverse) over coax on rf (channel 3) and through a tv tuner box before going into the DV converter box [01:12] ffv1+flac+mkv 360,282,970 [01:12] raw dv 434,160,000 [01:15] sadly, pretty much every other lossless format I can think of results in a colorspace conversion as well [01:15] (typically from the yuv411p to yuv420p, though sometimes to yuv422p) [01:36] That's a pretty substantial margin, too. [01:37] Yeah colourspace constraints are always sad... jpeg2000 is pretty open about those but not exactly great on the software support. [01:40] just tried (untweaked) ffv2+flac+mkv (which means a conversion to 4:2:0 as well) 308,279,355 [01:43] well, 411->422 isn't really too bad, because it just doubles the number of Cb and Cr samples. (instead of 4 colinear pixels having one Y while sharing 1 Cb and 1 Cr, it is 2 colinear pixels having 1 Y and sharing a Cb and Cr) [01:46] Need to run. [01:48] I need to get my ass to def con [01:48] hopefully while still attached [01:48] one can home [01:49] if you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the canopus [01:49] shipping body parts is expensive [01:49] I've been meaning to pick one up [01:49] i bought it on ebay. used the typical means of paying for purchases on ebay. [01:50] yeah I was asking the price :P [01:50] unfortunately, grass valley apparently dropped that particular model [01:50] oh [01:50] somehow my brain skipped the "much" [01:51] I've been doing research and writing guides for capping vhs and beta for a few years and nearly evenerything has pointed me at the capous advc line [01:51] how the hell did I just mispell canopus [01:52] i ended up paying $231.50 + $15 for shipping [01:52] jason would be the one to ask about that, if you haven't already [01:52] (which was a little more than I was hoping to spend, but I think still reasonable) [01:52] Yeah, I've seen jason talk about the process a little [01:53] I do it the ghetto way though with an old TBC from a tv studio and some prosumer video processing gear from the 80s [01:53] the ADVC110 and 52 are still listed on grassvalley's site, but the 300 and twinpact are gone. I wanted the 300 for the TBC and NR features [01:54] though at least one of my SVHS decks supposedly already has TBC [01:54] that's not a bad price considering it has all that rolled into it [01:54] is it a JVC model? [01:54] B&H claims to still have the 300 in stock, asking $400 for it [01:54] I have two svhs decks, one with just NR and one with a digital TBC and NR but you can only use one at a time for some reason [01:54] I have a JVC and a Sharp. I forget the model numbers off the top of my head [01:55] the TBC might be on the input side, rather than the playback side [01:55] that's true [01:55] I was actually surprised by one of them, as it apparently laughs in the face of macrovision [01:56] the canopus or the deck? [01:56] (didn't realize it until I moved the PS2 to another TV with only RF input and tried to go through a VCR) [01:56] deck [01:57] ah yeah, they're good at that :P [01:57] Occasionally I'll get a late 90's tape that the deck can't cut but the external TBC will rip it all away [01:58] I was at least able to get the manual off the grassvalley ftp server still. I have not yet located the CD contents, however. (which includes control software for tweaking the brightness, contrast, sharpness, blahblah, volume, and filter parameters) [01:59] you can tweak it all manually, but you have to turn the box off, flip a dip switch, turn it on, make the settings changes, turn it off, put the switch back, and turn it on [01:59] while the software should let you tweak them on the fly [02:00] though I was planning on just using dvgrab on a linux system to do the capture [02:00] I heard something about some of the advc models where if you just tilt the box 45 degrees for 10 seconds or something, it enables a mode where it disables macrovision [02:00] but of course, they can't publish having that feature [02:01] that would be a bizarre feature to include [02:01] well the whole tilting thing sounds hokey but I've had people tell me it works [02:01] I'm not sure if my test last night had macrovision in the signal or not [02:02] a lot of the devices have hidden features that disable the macrovision [02:02] right, but tilting the box means they have to put some sort of sensor in for it, like an Hg switch or something [02:03] it seems like it would be easier to just use one of those "reserved" dip switches on the bottom [02:03] yeah, might have been an earlier model or something [02:05] does the control software just change the settings on the software side when making a cap, or actually configure the hardware? [02:05] iirc, SketchCow's using the USB-Live2 [02:05] it tweaks the box's parameters. i don't know offhand if it saves those changes, though [02:06] Hope you can get your hands on it [02:06] as for the usb-live2, I hear hauppage gear is really nice [02:06] I can change the params already, just not on the fly [02:06] and I wasn't planning on using a windows box for the capture [02:07] it would be great if it saved it [02:09] interestingly, issuing an AVC "play" command switches the box's input to analog, and issuing a "stop" command switches to dv input [02:09] and pressing the input select button seems to have similar effect [02:09] (pressing the button during capture caused dvgrab to stop) [02:10] well that sounds strange [05:45] mmm [05:45] looks like skip's busy again [05:46] and brings us they mayor of 1937: http://archive.org/details/0762_Four_Square_04_01_00_00 [05:47] heh :) [05:53] How do you make a two-sided box? [05:53] how about a one-sided box? [05:58] mmm [05:58] bell labs sure knows how to make EXCITING films [05:58] http://archive.org/details/0619_Computing_For_Fun_04_01_26_00 [05:59] i saw the title and opening credits and thought it would be good for riffing... but getting farther in changed my mind [06:03] Can't watch it; Flash still kills Chrome here. Kinda surprised by the title - how many people actually had contact with computers in '64? [06:03] shaqfu: did you try switching to the new player? [06:03] uses HTML FIVE [06:03] hmm [06:04] Odd; the old one works fine [06:04] I've had the same problem with YouTube [06:04] ok, i am thinking something might have gone wrong in the process of scanning and assembling [06:05] and it defaults to the new player, switching on request of the user to the old one [06:06] Wait, is it 30 minutes of just someone talking over a black screen? [06:06] people in universities and labs (especially bell labs) would have in 64 [06:06] Or is the problem on my end? [06:07] no, but that is what I got for the first 8 minutes or so [06:07] which is why I think there was an error in digitization [06:08] Yeah - I'm getting awful desynced audio [06:09] Between that and the speaker's monotone, it's hard to keep interest [06:09] Which is a shame, given that the guy probably has a dozen PhDs [06:11] there's eventually some chiptunes [06:11] but I think something goofy may be happening in the process. I saw this one awhile back: http://archive.org/details/City_Within_a_City_A [06:12] The intro sequence felt very Game Boy, with the monochrome graphics and chiptune [06:12] Oh, yikes; what's with the negative? [06:13] not just the negative, but the optical sound. but, that's not even the right film. about 2 minutes in it cuts to shots that are supposed to be there [06:14] almost like someone started scanning a new film into the same directory while the old one was still being rendered out. [06:14] it then pops back to the western [06:14] at a little after 3 minutes [06:16] then back to what it should be again later [06:17] Feels like something you'd expect in an art piece [06:17] the negative bits are from the Globe Productions release of a film titled "China Gate" [06:18] (as seen on the tail that is shown for a bit before switching from that back to the building of the pan am buiding [06:18] http://archive.org/details/AboutBan1935 [06:18] Scroll down a bit [06:18] Prelinger Archive is getting seriously disturbing [06:19] I did negate the footage at one point, but I wasn't adventurous enough to write something to convert the optical sound track [06:20] yeah, there is some spam crap that needs to be cleaned up, too [06:20] I honestly have no clue what that is - it's like a cross between a porn keyword dump, a Romanized Arabic dictionary, and the Qur'an [06:20] It's the text equivalent of that PanAm video [06:21] there was one review left on an educational film which almost certainly linked to either child porn or a honeypot [06:21] Ouch [06:21] (I emailed info@ and the review is gone now) [06:24] Looks like someone's hitting these hard - 8M downloads on posture shorts? [06:24] you can poke @footage about the other ones I guess [06:30] I've got a half-composed email I'll be sending off in a bit [06:30] I'd rather not use twitter for such a thing [06:40] bahah [06:40] http://archive.org/details/0869_Signal_30_07_00_59_00 [06:40] the opening crawl... [06:42] I hate to laugh, given the subject matter, but that opening crawl is unintentionally funny [06:43] "Why don't they look?" [06:53] Coderjoe: yes [07:40] winr4r: eh? [07:40] "that opening crawl is unintentionally funny" [08:17] more old computer goodness from bell labs: http://archive.org/details/0767_Incredible_Machine_The_20_26_47_00 [08:42] mmm [08:43] http://archive.org/details/0767_ESS_20_00_58_00 [08:43] (ESS, as in Electronic Switching System, the phone call routing system) [08:51] shows growing of silicon crystals [09:09] haha [09:09] wow [09:09] around 22 minutes, that "Computing For Fun" gets kinda creepy [09:16] How so? [09:25] the "music" sounds like random corrupt compressed digital audio interspersed with heavy breathing [09:52] ah, alright. Funky :( [13:31] fLoo: No problem :) [13:31] perfect [13:31] You'll see more amusing chat here anyway ;) [13:31] may i ask u several questions please? [13:31] i know, dont ask to ask [13:31] fire away [13:31] just ask .. :) [13:31] ok, thanks [13:32] 1. i plan to archive a video-collection of a tv-sender, is it allowed to use archive.org ? [13:32] whats a TV sender, you mean broadcaster? [13:32] 2. if i would like to archive for example a social network, is this allowed ? [13:32] i mean 'Spiegel-TV' which is a german 'show' [13:33] they do coverages about up2date topics [13:33] www.spiegel.de [13:35] i'm not sure but someone will answer. [13:35] yeah, upload whatever you want to archive.org [13:36] If it's inappropriate they'll make it 'private' (non-viewable publicly until threats are cleared) [13:36] ok perfect, is there an api to use ? [13:36] this question is just because im too bored too search for it [13:36] :) [13:36] yeah, there is [13:37] should go look at archive.org later when you got data to upload [13:37] thanks [17:29] Is there a project to keep backups of the linux distros just like all the shareware disks are being collected? [17:54] that would be a cool project [17:59] well I mention it because I have old linux cds and a few hundred gigabytes of disk images [17:59] It is the largest open source project in the world [17:59] the historical significance is there [18:00] plus all the distros that did releases and then died [18:00] That would be cool. If there isn't there should be! [18:01] Is there a process for pitching and starting a new project? [18:03] omf_: There's a lot of mirror sites that keep copies almost indefenetly. Like university FTP mirrors and such, but I'm not aware of any project that collects them for archival [18:03] I know there's a loot of old distros on ftp.sunet.org/pub ;p [18:04] university ftp mirrors go away [18:04] take ohio state university for example [18:04] yeah yeah, I'm not saying they're archiving the images [18:04] they had the oldest redhat mirror and one of the longest running linux mirrors in the world [18:05] I was working there when we turned it off years ago. [18:05] we got hate mail for over a year about that [18:05] Ew, that's not nice [18:06] shit it was from people who also worked there. Too many links to content on there [18:06] I had to clean up thousands of broken urls across all the sites [18:06] omf_: sketchcow can hook you up with resources when he gets back [18:06] there was no justification to turning it off either. Someone said it was not getting much use [18:07] he put up a bunch of old freebsd discs at http://archive.org/details/freebsd-cdroms [18:09] I am going to start mapping out where the disks are currently living on the net [18:12] what what [18:12] I'd like to get those up on archive.org. [18:12] Yes. [18:13] Let's make a collection and put them there. [18:13] I can give you an FTP, etc. [18:16] SketchCow, my home internet is slow. Is there anyway I can bittorrent on the server for the isos that are still live on the net. That would be 300gb or so [18:16] a rough guess on size [18:16] I got at least 60gb on my machine [18:24] If you send me links to items you have, I'll pull them myself, gladly. [18:24] or wget the iso from the net to the archive. Most might be accessible that way as well [18:25] It is going to take me some time to map it out and find matching md5, sha1 and other checksums to make sure the source material is good [18:34] SketchCow: looks like 3D World 122 i can get [18:34] its a dvd iso [18:34] if goes from 0 to 400kbytes again [18:38] upload 3d world 139 [18:40] 139 image has vue 8 frontier which provides senic nature and poser & daz studio for character rendering [18:40] some if not most of the videos on 3d world disk are zip compressed btw [18:41] GERMANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY [18:41] vs [18:41] ITAAAAAAALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [18:41] :D [18:41] who wins ? [18:42] for soccer I would go with Italy [18:45] pff [18:45] germany wins [18:45] 3:1 [19:11] Hmmm, Google Compute could be something awesome for us :D [19:11] VM inside Googles Datacenter? Check! [19:22] SketchCow, okay I have started mapping the distros out and I have some test downloads to try out. Do I need to create an archive.org account to proceed? I want to make sure I do this the proper way [19:46] Let's discuss what you're going to do. [20:03] man there's a lot of good music on IA [20:03] I keep forgetting [20:04] http://archive.org/details/mtk123 One of my favourite albums ever [20:06] now playing: http://archive.org/details/Sorted-AtmosphericSession [20:23] anyone happen to have the "The Art of Pixelvision" DVDs? [20:25] do [20:25] Not sure where they are, but I do [20:26] If you ever found them and had the time, I'd love to see them [20:26] I can't even find someone selling them anymore [21:12] ersi: hm, actually a friend of mine worked on building that [21:17] hmm no ogg derivatives on that album [21:54] oh yay [21:55] IA apparently will send me an email each time someone posts a review on an item I uploaded [22:24] da fuq [22:24] this kenneth is rocking hard [22:24] 86 tb [22:24] lol [22:25] he works at heroku [22:26] oh [22:26] i see [22:29] btw [22:29] why isnt the page update [22:29] i mean, i cant see my name in the stats