| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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01:06
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Coderjoe |
mistym: I did a small amount of testing last night (when testing the used Canopus ADVC-300 I picked up on ebay) and found that, with the 2 minute tv clip I captured, ffv1 (with no tweaks, just using the default params) and flac audio came out to smaller than the original dv, and kept the colorspace |
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01:07
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mistym |
Coderjoe: Wow, not bad not hardly at all |
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01:07
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Coderjoe |
sadly, I can't keep the video in dv and use flac audio, because the dvvideo format specifies an exact bitrate, which includes space for the audio |
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01:09
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Coderjoe |
granted, the source video was really clean, from an iptv box (uverse) over coax on rf (channel 3) and through a tv tuner box before going into the DV converter box |
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01:12
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Coderjoe |
ffv1+flac+mkv 360,282,970 |
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01:12
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Coderjoe |
raw dv 434,160,000 |
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01:15
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Coderjoe |
sadly, pretty much every other lossless format I can think of results in a colorspace conversion as well |
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01:15
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Coderjoe |
(typically from the yuv411p to yuv420p, though sometimes to yuv422p) |
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01:36
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mistym |
That's a pretty substantial margin, too. |
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01:37
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mistym |
Yeah colourspace constraints are always sad... jpeg2000 is pretty open about those but not exactly great on the software support. |
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01:40
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Coderjoe |
just tried (untweaked) ffv2+flac+mkv (which means a conversion to 4:2:0 as well) 308,279,355 |
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01:43
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Coderjoe |
well, 411->422 isn't really too bad, because it just doubles the number of Cb and Cr samples. (instead of 4 colinear pixels having one Y while sharing 1 Cb and 1 Cr, it is 2 colinear pixels having 1 Y and sharing a Cb and Cr) |
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01:46
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mistym |
Need to run. |
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01:48
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Famicoman |
I need to get my ass to def con |
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01:48
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Coderjoe |
hopefully while still attached |
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01:48
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Famicoman |
one can home |
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01:49
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Famicoman |
if you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the canopus |
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01:49
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winr4r |
shipping body parts is expensive |
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01:49
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Famicoman |
I've been meaning to pick one up |
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01:49
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Coderjoe |
i bought it on ebay. used the typical means of paying for purchases on ebay. |
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01:50
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Famicoman |
yeah I was asking the price :P |
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01:50
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Coderjoe |
unfortunately, grass valley apparently dropped that particular model |
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01:50
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Coderjoe |
oh |
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01:50
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Coderjoe |
somehow my brain skipped the "much" |
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01:51
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Famicoman |
I've been doing research and writing guides for capping vhs and beta for a few years and nearly evenerything has pointed me at the capous advc line |
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01:51
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Famicoman |
how the hell did I just mispell canopus |
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01:52
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Coderjoe |
i ended up paying $231.50 + $15 for shipping |
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01:52
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winr4r |
jason would be the one to ask about that, if you haven't already |
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01:52
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Coderjoe |
(which was a little more than I was hoping to spend, but I think still reasonable) |
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01:52
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Famicoman |
Yeah, I've seen jason talk about the process a little |
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01:53
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|
Famicoman |
I do it the ghetto way though with an old TBC from a tv studio and some prosumer video processing gear from the 80s |
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01:53
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Coderjoe |
the ADVC110 and 52 are still listed on grassvalley's site, but the 300 and twinpact are gone. I wanted the 300 for the TBC and NR features |
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01:54
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Coderjoe |
though at least one of my SVHS decks supposedly already has TBC |
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01:54
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Famicoman |
that's not a bad price considering it has all that rolled into it |
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01:54
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Famicoman |
is it a JVC model? |
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01:54
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Coderjoe |
B&H claims to still have the 300 in stock, asking $400 for it |
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01:54
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Famicoman |
I have two svhs decks, one with just NR and one with a digital TBC and NR but you can only use one at a time for some reason |
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01:54
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Coderjoe |
I have a JVC and a Sharp. I forget the model numbers off the top of my head |
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01:55
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Coderjoe |
the TBC might be on the input side, rather than the playback side |
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01:55
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Famicoman |
that's true |
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01:55
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Coderjoe |
I was actually surprised by one of them, as it apparently laughs in the face of macrovision |
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01:56
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Famicoman |
the canopus or the deck? |
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01:56
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
(didn't realize it until I moved the PS2 to another TV with only RF input and tried to go through a VCR) |
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01:56
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Coderjoe |
deck |
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01:57
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Famicoman |
ah yeah, they're good at that :P |
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01:57
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|
Famicoman |
Occasionally I'll get a late 90's tape that the deck can't cut but the external TBC will rip it all away |
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01:58
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Coderjoe |
I was at least able to get the manual off the grassvalley ftp server still. I have not yet located the CD contents, however. (which includes control software for tweaking the brightness, contrast, sharpness, blahblah, volume, and filter parameters) |
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01:59
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Coderjoe |
you can tweak it all manually, but you have to turn the box off, flip a dip switch, turn it on, make the settings changes, turn it off, put the switch back, and turn it on |
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01:59
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Coderjoe |
while the software should let you tweak them on the fly |
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02:00
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Coderjoe |
though I was planning on just using dvgrab on a linux system to do the capture |
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02:00
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Famicoman |
I heard something about some of the advc models where if you just tilt the box 45 degrees for 10 seconds or something, it enables a mode where it disables macrovision |
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02:00
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Famicoman |
but of course, they can't publish having that feature |
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02:01
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Coderjoe |
that would be a bizarre feature to include |
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02:01
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Famicoman |
well the whole tilting thing sounds hokey but I've had people tell me it works |
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02:01
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Coderjoe |
I'm not sure if my test last night had macrovision in the signal or not |
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02:02
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Famicoman |
a lot of the devices have hidden features that disable the macrovision |
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02:02
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Coderjoe |
right, but tilting the box means they have to put some sort of sensor in for it, like an Hg switch or something |
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02:03
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Coderjoe |
it seems like it would be easier to just use one of those "reserved" dip switches on the bottom |
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02:03
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|
Famicoman |
yeah, might have been an earlier model or something |
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02:05
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|
Famicoman |
does the control software just change the settings on the software side when making a cap, or actually configure the hardware? |
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02:05
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|
Coderjoe |
iirc, SketchCow's using the USB-Live2 |
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02:05
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|
Coderjoe |
it tweaks the box's parameters. i don't know offhand if it saves those changes, though |
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02:06
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|
Famicoman |
Hope you can get your hands on it |
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02:06
🔗
|
Famicoman |
as for the usb-live2, I hear hauppage gear is really nice |
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02:06
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
I can change the params already, just not on the fly |
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02:06
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|
Coderjoe |
and I wasn't planning on using a windows box for the capture |
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02:07
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|
Famicoman |
it would be great if it saved it |
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02:09
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
interestingly, issuing an AVC "play" command switches the box's input to analog, and issuing a "stop" command switches to dv input |
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02:09
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
and pressing the input select button seems to have similar effect |
|
02:09
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
(pressing the button during capture caused dvgrab to stop) |
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02:10
🔗
|
Famicoman |
well that sounds strange |
|
05:45
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
mmm |
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05:45
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
looks like skip's busy again |
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05:46
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|
Coderjoe |
and brings us they mayor of 1937: http://archive.org/details/0762_Four_Square_04_01_00_00 |
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05:47
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|
winr4r |
heh :) |
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05:53
🔗
|
shaqfu |
How do you make a two-sided box? |
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05:53
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|
Coderjoe |
how about a one-sided box? |
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05:58
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
mmm |
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05:58
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
bell labs sure knows how to make EXCITING films |
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05:58
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
http://archive.org/details/0619_Computing_For_Fun_04_01_26_00 |
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05:59
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
i saw the title and opening credits and thought it would be good for riffing... but getting farther in changed my mind |
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06:03
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Can't watch it; Flash still kills Chrome here. Kinda surprised by the title - how many people actually had contact with computers in '64? |
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06:03
🔗
|
winr4r |
shaqfu: did you try switching to the new player? |
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06:03
🔗
|
winr4r |
uses HTML FIVE |
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06:03
🔗
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Coderjoe |
hmm |
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06:04
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Odd; the old one works fine |
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06:04
🔗
|
shaqfu |
I've had the same problem with YouTube |
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06:04
🔗
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Coderjoe |
ok, i am thinking something might have gone wrong in the process of scanning and assembling |
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06:05
🔗
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Coderjoe |
and it defaults to the new player, switching on request of the user to the old one |
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06:06
🔗
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shaqfu |
Wait, is it 30 minutes of just someone talking over a black screen? |
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06:06
🔗
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Coderjoe |
people in universities and labs (especially bell labs) would have in 64 |
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06:06
🔗
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shaqfu |
Or is the problem on my end? |
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06:07
🔗
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Coderjoe |
no, but that is what I got for the first 8 minutes or so |
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06:07
🔗
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Coderjoe |
which is why I think there was an error in digitization |
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06:08
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Yeah - I'm getting awful desynced audio |
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06:09
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|
shaqfu |
Between that and the speaker's monotone, it's hard to keep interest |
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06:09
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Which is a shame, given that the guy probably has a dozen PhDs |
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06:11
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
there's eventually some chiptunes |
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06:11
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|
Coderjoe |
but I think something goofy may be happening in the process. I saw this one awhile back: http://archive.org/details/City_Within_a_City_A |
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06:12
🔗
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shaqfu |
The intro sequence felt very Game Boy, with the monochrome graphics and chiptune |
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06:12
🔗
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shaqfu |
Oh, yikes; what's with the negative? |
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06:13
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
not just the negative, but the optical sound. but, that's not even the right film. about 2 minutes in it cuts to shots that are supposed to be there |
|
06:14
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
almost like someone started scanning a new film into the same directory while the old one was still being rendered out. |
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06:14
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
it then pops back to the western |
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06:14
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
at a little after 3 minutes |
|
06:16
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
then back to what it should be again later |
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06:17
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|
shaqfu |
Feels like something you'd expect in an art piece |
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06:17
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Coderjoe |
the negative bits are from the Globe Productions release of a film titled "China Gate" |
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06:18
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|
Coderjoe |
(as seen on the tail that is shown for a bit before switching from that back to the building of the pan am buiding |
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06:18
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|
shaqfu |
http://archive.org/details/AboutBan1935 |
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06:18
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|
shaqfu |
Scroll down a bit |
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06:18
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|
shaqfu |
Prelinger Archive is getting seriously disturbing |
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06:19
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Coderjoe |
I did negate the footage at one point, but I wasn't adventurous enough to write something to convert the optical sound track |
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06:20
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
yeah, there is some spam crap that needs to be cleaned up, too |
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06:20
🔗
|
shaqfu |
I honestly have no clue what that is - it's like a cross between a porn keyword dump, a Romanized Arabic dictionary, and the Qur'an |
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06:20
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|
shaqfu |
It's the text equivalent of that PanAm video |
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06:21
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Coderjoe |
there was one review left on an educational film which almost certainly linked to either child porn or a honeypot |
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06:21
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shaqfu |
Ouch |
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06:21
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
(I emailed info@ and the review is gone now) |
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06:24
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Looks like someone's hitting these hard - 8M downloads on posture shorts? |
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06:24
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DFJustin |
you can poke @footage about the other ones I guess |
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06:30
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
I've got a half-composed email I'll be sending off in a bit |
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06:30
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
I'd rather not use twitter for such a thing |
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06:40
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
bahah |
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06:40
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
http://archive.org/details/0869_Signal_30_07_00_59_00 |
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06:40
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
the opening crawl... |
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06:42
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
I hate to laugh, given the subject matter, but that opening crawl is unintentionally funny |
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06:43
🔗
|
shaqfu |
"Why don't they look?" |
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06:53
🔗
|
winr4r |
Coderjoe: yes |
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07:40
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
winr4r: eh? |
|
07:40
🔗
|
winr4r |
"that opening crawl is unintentionally funny" |
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08:17
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
more old computer goodness from bell labs: http://archive.org/details/0767_Incredible_Machine_The_20_26_47_00 |
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08:42
🔗
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Coderjoe |
mmm |
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08:43
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
http://archive.org/details/0767_ESS_20_00_58_00 |
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08:43
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|
Coderjoe |
(ESS, as in Electronic Switching System, the phone call routing system) |
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08:51
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
shows growing of silicon crystals |
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09:09
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
haha |
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09:09
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
wow |
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09:09
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
around 22 minutes, that "Computing For Fun" gets kinda creepy |
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09:16
🔗
|
ersi |
How so? |
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09:25
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
the "music" sounds like random corrupt compressed digital audio interspersed with heavy breathing |
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09:52
🔗
|
ersi |
ah, alright. Funky :( |
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13:31
🔗
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SmileyG |
fLoo: No problem :) |
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13:31
🔗
|
fLoo |
perfect |
|
13:31
🔗
|
SmileyG |
You'll see more amusing chat here anyway ;) |
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13:31
🔗
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fLoo |
may i ask u several questions please? |
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13:31
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fLoo |
i know, dont ask to ask |
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13:31
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SmileyG |
fire away |
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13:31
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|
fLoo |
just ask .. :) |
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13:31
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fLoo |
ok, thanks |
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13:32
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|
fLoo |
1. i plan to archive a video-collection of a tv-sender, is it allowed to use archive.org ? |
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13:32
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SmileyG |
whats a TV sender, you mean broadcaster? |
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13:32
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fLoo |
2. if i would like to archive for example a social network, is this allowed ? |
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13:32
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fLoo |
i mean 'Spiegel-TV' which is a german 'show' |
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13:33
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fLoo |
they do coverages about up2date topics |
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13:33
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fLoo |
www.spiegel.de |
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13:35
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SmileyG |
i'm not sure but someone will answer. |
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13:35
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ersi |
yeah, upload whatever you want to archive.org |
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13:36
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|
ersi |
If it's inappropriate they'll make it 'private' (non-viewable publicly until threats are cleared) |
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13:36
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fLoo |
ok perfect, is there an api to use ? |
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13:36
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fLoo |
this question is just because im too bored too search for it |
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13:36
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fLoo |
:) |
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13:36
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|
ersi |
yeah, there is |
|
13:37
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|
ersi |
should go look at archive.org later when you got data to upload |
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13:37
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|
fLoo |
thanks |
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17:29
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omf_ |
Is there a project to keep backups of the linux distros just like all the shareware disks are being collected? |
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17:54
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Famicoman |
that would be a cool project |
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17:59
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omf_ |
well I mention it because I have old linux cds and a few hundred gigabytes of disk images |
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17:59
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|
omf_ |
It is the largest open source project in the world |
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17:59
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|
omf_ |
the historical significance is there |
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18:00
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|
omf_ |
plus all the distros that did releases and then died |
|
18:00
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mistym |
That would be cool. If there isn't there should be! |
|
18:01
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omf_ |
Is there a process for pitching and starting a new project? |
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18:03
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|
ersi |
omf_: There's a lot of mirror sites that keep copies almost indefenetly. Like university FTP mirrors and such, but I'm not aware of any project that collects them for archival |
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18:03
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ersi |
I know there's a loot of old distros on ftp.sunet.org/pub ;p |
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18:04
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omf_ |
university ftp mirrors go away |
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18:04
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omf_ |
take ohio state university for example |
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18:04
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|
ersi |
yeah yeah, I'm not saying they're archiving the images |
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18:04
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omf_ |
they had the oldest redhat mirror and one of the longest running linux mirrors in the world |
|
18:05
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omf_ |
I was working there when we turned it off years ago. |
|
18:05
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omf_ |
we got hate mail for over a year about that |
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18:05
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|
ersi |
Ew, that's not nice |
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18:06
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omf_ |
shit it was from people who also worked there. Too many links to content on there |
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18:06
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omf_ |
I had to clean up thousands of broken urls across all the sites |
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18:06
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DFJustin |
omf_: sketchcow can hook you up with resources when he gets back |
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18:06
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omf_ |
there was no justification to turning it off either. Someone said it was not getting much use |
|
18:07
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DFJustin |
he put up a bunch of old freebsd discs at http://archive.org/details/freebsd-cdroms |
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18:09
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omf_ |
I am going to start mapping out where the disks are currently living on the net |
|
18:12
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SketchCow |
what what |
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18:12
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SketchCow |
I'd like to get those up on archive.org. |
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18:12
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SketchCow |
Yes. |
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18:13
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SketchCow |
Let's make a collection and put them there. |
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18:13
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SketchCow |
I can give you an FTP, etc. |
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18:16
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omf_ |
SketchCow, my home internet is slow. Is there anyway I can bittorrent on the server for the isos that are still live on the net. That would be 300gb or so |
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18:16
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omf_ |
a rough guess on size |
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18:16
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omf_ |
I got at least 60gb on my machine |
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18:24
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SketchCow |
If you send me links to items you have, I'll pull them myself, gladly. |
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18:24
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omf_ |
or wget the iso from the net to the archive. Most might be accessible that way as well |
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18:25
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|
omf_ |
It is going to take me some time to map it out and find matching md5, sha1 and other checksums to make sure the source material is good |
|
18:34
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|
godane |
SketchCow: looks like 3D World 122 i can get |
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18:34
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|
godane |
its a dvd iso |
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18:34
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|
godane |
if goes from 0 to 400kbytes again |
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18:38
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|
godane |
upload 3d world 139 |
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18:40
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godane |
139 image has vue 8 frontier which provides senic nature and poser & daz studio for character rendering |
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godane |
some if not most of the videos on 3d world disk are zip compressed btw |
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18:41
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fLoo |
GERMANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
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18:41
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fLoo |
vs |
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fLoo |
ITAAAAAAALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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fLoo |
:D |
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18:41
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fLoo |
who wins ? |
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18:42
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omf_ |
for soccer I would go with Italy |
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18:45
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fLoo |
pff |
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18:45
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fLoo |
germany wins |
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18:45
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fLoo |
3:1 |
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ersi |
Hmmm, Google Compute could be something awesome for us :D |
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19:11
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ersi |
VM inside Googles Datacenter? Check! |
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omf_ |
SketchCow, okay I have started mapping the distros out and I have some test downloads to try out. Do I need to create an archive.org account to proceed? I want to make sure I do this the proper way |
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SketchCow |
Let's discuss what you're going to do. |
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20:03
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chronomex |
man there's a lot of good music on IA |
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20:03
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chronomex |
I keep forgetting |
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mistym |
http://archive.org/details/mtk123 One of my favourite albums ever |
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chronomex |
now playing: http://archive.org/details/Sorted-AtmosphericSession |
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20:23
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Famicoman |
anyone happen to have the "The Art of Pixelvision" DVDs? |
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20:25
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SketchCow |
do |
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SketchCow |
Not sure where they are, but I do |
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20:26
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Famicoman |
If you ever found them and had the time, I'd love to see them |
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20:26
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Famicoman |
I can't even find someone selling them anymore |
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21:12
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chronomex |
ersi: hm, actually a friend of mine worked on building that |
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DFJustin |
hmm no ogg derivatives on that album |
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21:54
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Coderjoe |
oh yay |
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21:55
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Coderjoe |
IA apparently will send me an email each time someone posts a review on an item I uploaded |
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22:24
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fLoo |
da fuq |
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22:24
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fLoo |
this kenneth is rocking hard |
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22:24
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fLoo |
86 tb |
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22:24
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fLoo |
lol |
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22:25
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DFJustin |
he works at heroku |
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22:26
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fLoo |
oh |
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22:26
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fLoo |
i see |
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22:29
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fLoo |
btw |
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22:29
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fLoo |
why isnt the page update |
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22:29
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fLoo |
i mean, i cant see my name in the stats |