#archiveteam-bs 2012-07-02,Mon

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00:02 🔗 shaqfu Off-topic, but dear God it's hard to get in touch with state libraries
00:02 🔗 shaqfu 5-7 days for reference :(
00:05 🔗 chronomex one does not complain about offtopic in the offtopic channel
00:05 🔗 chronomex sounds like A-class bureaucracy
00:05 🔗 shaqfu The offtopic is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding offtopic
00:06 🔗 shaqfu I'm just hoping I don't forget to alter the state name in my canned question
00:07 🔗 chronomex heh, what are you working on?
00:07 🔗 shaqfu Someone asked the archives listserv if there's a list of dates of incorporation of every US city
00:07 🔗 shaqfu And there isn't
00:07 🔗 chronomex that sounds like a lot of work.
00:08 🔗 shaqfu I suggested scraping Wikipedia for it, but it's really spotty - only about 50% coverage
00:08 🔗 chronomex extant cities or all cities ever incorporated?
00:08 🔗 shaqfu Extant for now
00:08 🔗 shaqfu Let's keep this sane
00:08 🔗 chronomex hehehe
00:08 🔗 chronomex you might be interested in a friend of mine's project
00:08 🔗 shaqfu Esp. since I want to toss it into a map and see if anything interesting comes out of it
00:08 🔗 shaqfu e.g. cities following rivers/railroads/interstates
00:08 🔗 chronomex http://everydot.com/
00:08 🔗 chronomex he photographed every named place in north dakota
00:09 🔗 chronomex the website says 300, which is wrong
00:09 🔗 shaqfu Amazingly, there's one other guy trying a project like this
00:09 🔗 shaqfu He's a goddamn *city astrologer*
00:09 🔗 chronomex http://www.flickr.com/photos/afiler/collections/72157602918645986/
00:09 🔗 chronomex wat
00:09 🔗 chronomex what is a city astrologer
00:10 🔗 shaqfu You can buy his database ($50) and see when your city was born and if it aligns to your celestial signs
00:10 🔗 chronomex whoa
00:10 🔗 shaqfu http://garybrandastrology.com/city/CitiesOrder.html
00:10 🔗 shaqfu He's also insanely incomplete
00:10 🔗 shaqfu New Jersey alone has 566 incorporated places
00:12 🔗 shaqfu And wow, that's an impressive project
00:12 🔗 chronomex there's a neighborhood in seattle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgetown,_Seattle which was a city for 6 years, just barely missing census enumeration by 2 weeks
00:13 🔗 chronomex so it was an actual city that never made it onto the census tallies; I wonder how many other similar places exist
00:13 🔗 shaqfu That's why I'm avoiding the census
00:13 🔗 shaqfu A lot can happen in ten years, esp. with westward expansion
00:13 🔗 chronomex but you're focusing on currently-extant places :)
00:13 🔗 shaqfu True, but I'd like to be more granular than decades
00:13 🔗 chronomex censuses are good for establishing outer bounds for existence
00:15 🔗 shaqfu True
00:17 🔗 shaqfu Still, it'll be nice to see year-by-year expansion vs. a whole bunch of towns popping up in 1880
00:18 🔗 shaqfu With my luck, I'll get this, feed it into a map, and see nothing interesting come out of it
00:22 🔗 shaqfu Oh, speaking of silly projects of mine - do you know of any sources for tracking down old HyperCard ebooks?
01:09 🔗 chronomex shaqfu: hmm, no idea.
01:10 🔗 shaqfu I'll bother balrog next time he's on
01:26 🔗 chronomex I can't believe that okcupid's distance options are "anywhere", "within 100 miles", "within 50 miles" and "within 25 miles"
01:27 🔗 chronomex like, seriously, I live in a place with people, I don't want to go more than 5 miles to get laid
01:30 🔗 yipdw neat line to open my client on
01:30 🔗 chronomex :)
01:31 🔗 chronomex I aim to surprise and confuse
01:42 🔗 Coderjoe iirc, the tiger data sees updates more frequently than 10 years
01:43 🔗 Coderjoe though it won't really give you incorporation dates
01:55 🔗 shaqfu I don't think there's a reliable national source; otherwise I'd probably see it on wikipedia
01:55 🔗 shaqfu Instead of the piecemeal that's there
02:34 🔗 shaqfu Fucking sigh; no such resource for Ohio. Am I crazy enough to email 88 local clerks, y/n
04:45 🔗 chronomex y
04:46 🔗 shaqfu All this just to prove a point
04:51 🔗 chronomex sometimes the best projects were started to prove a point
04:53 🔗 yipdw GNU, for example
05:00 🔗 chronomex I suppose you're right
05:00 🔗 chronomex hadn't thought about that before
05:01 🔗 shaqfu Someone asked on the archives listserv if such an index existed
05:01 🔗 shaqfu Of 20 responses, 19 were fossils saying no, 1 was me going "no, but you could probably build it without much work"
05:01 🔗 shaqfu "without much work" is starting to haunt me :(
05:01 🔗 chronomex hehehe
05:02 🔗 chronomex "without much work" is a very flexible phrase
05:03 🔗 shaqfu I hoped that, by good fortune, it was all on Wikipedia and I could trivially scrape it
05:03 🔗 shaqfu And for the ~18 that are, I can trivially scrape it
05:03 🔗 shaqfu For the 30 that aren't (fuck AK/HI)... :(
05:04 🔗 chronomex well alaska only has 10 incorporated places anyway, right?
05:04 🔗 shaqfu Probably
05:06 🔗 shaqfu "The population was 0 at the 2000 census"
05:06 🔗 shaqfu What the hell Alaska
05:08 🔗 mistym Where is this?
05:08 🔗 mistym "The population was 0" is not something I read about places often
05:08 🔗 shaqfu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine,_Alaska
05:08 🔗 mistym That is such an Alaskan town name.
05:11 🔗 shaqfu I applied for a job in Alaska because it paid insanely well
05:11 🔗 shaqfu But given that you have to drive to Anchorage every time you want to buy something...
05:12 🔗 mistym I don't think I could live that way.
05:12 🔗 shaqfu The way people do it is buying huge tracts of land, buying a prop plane, and flying around
05:12 🔗 shaqfu Plenty of room to land
05:12 🔗 mistym At least it paid well? I've seen jobs in Canada in northern Ontario communities paying pittances.
05:13 🔗 shaqfu Oof
05:14 🔗 chronomex yeah if you're going to live in the middle of nowhere, they better pay at least enough to buy shit off amazon
05:14 🔗 shaqfu And get destroyed by shipping
05:16 🔗 Coderjoe and being isolated from people, or with little to do but drink. high speed internet? hahahaa
05:19 🔗 Coderjoe and then you can work on writing a book. but i doubt publishers will buy a book full of "all work and no play makes jack a dull boy"
05:19 🔗 shaqfu High-speed caribou
05:19 🔗 shaqfu You'd be living Northern Exposure
05:21 🔗 mistym High-speed caribou is the next-gen version of IP over avian carriers
05:23 🔗 shaqfu You can use salmon, but while having fantastic up speed, they're useless down
05:23 🔗 mistym ha!
14:10 🔗 DFJustin starting to put up episodes of Pasokon Sunday (Japanese TV show about computers from the 1980s) http://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Pasokon+Sunday%22
14:40 🔗 SketchCow How many episodes?
14:41 🔗 DFJustin only around a dozen
14:42 🔗 SketchCow I can make a collection
14:43 🔗 DFJustin it ran weekly for several years so there ought to be hundreds but there just seem to be home vhs copies
14:48 🔗 SketchCow Well, let's hope more show up
14:48 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/movies/thumbnails.php?identifier=pasokon-sunday-emulation-soft is an adorable set of thumbnails
15:07 🔗 DFJustin on the plus side you get the commercials
16:35 🔗 underscor I like old commercials
16:37 🔗 Schbirid so good http://archive.org/details/BEVLARA01
16:57 🔗 Schbirid is there a common saying for "(positively) anxiously awaiting your reply"?
16:57 🔗 Schbirid for email
16:57 🔗 Schbirid colloquial
16:58 🔗 mistym Compulsively hitting the reload button,
17:00 🔗 shaqfu Schbirid: Just "looking forward to your reply" is fine
17:01 🔗 Schbirid perfect, haha
17:24 🔗 Schbirid oh, ouch. avfs serving a 15GB tar.gz will eat a "bit" of cpu if files are accessed :((
17:24 🔗 Schbirid load average: 5.12, 4.77, 4.76
17:25 🔗 Schbirid well, poop
17:45 🔗 DFJustin whoah microfiche score
19:35 🔗 winr4r oh no, load averages above 1!
19:35 🔗 winr4r this means your scheduler is doing its job!
19:36 🔗 winr4r good evening, folks :)
19:36 🔗 winr4r DFJustin: do explain :D
19:37 🔗 DFJustin https://twitter.com/#!/textfiles
19:40 🔗 winr4r DFJustin: holy god
19:40 🔗 winr4r i've been busy all day so i missed that but holy god
20:34 🔗 SketchCow https://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/white-trash-repairs-you-know-how-youre-always-bugging-me-to-change-the-toilet-paper-roll1.gif
20:38 🔗 yipdw haha
20:38 🔗 yipdw I need one of those
21:40 🔗 mistym http://ubiktune.org/releases/ubi044-various-artists-soundshock-2-fm-funk-terrror Some glorious FM tunes here
21:53 🔗 DFJustin hey that netlabel isn't on archive.org
21:54 🔗 DFJustin what gives
22:43 🔗 pzuraq SketchCow
22:57 🔗 SketchCow Yes
22:58 🔗 pzuraq joepie sent me. Apparently you have a project, sound interesting.
22:58 🔗 pzuraq need help?
23:02 🔗 SketchCow Which project?
23:04 🔗 pzuraq Let's Just Solve the Problem Month?
23:05 🔗 Nijaxor an wild joepie91 and pzuraq appear!
23:05 🔗 joepie91 ohai
23:05 🔗 SketchCow Oh yes
23:05 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: I told him that I *thought* that was your post
23:05 🔗 joepie91 but not sure
23:05 🔗 joepie91 :p
23:05 🔗 SketchCow That's mine.
23:05 🔗 SketchCow The question is what you rousted him NOW for.
23:06 🔗 SketchCow It's in november, and we're doing some rough plans in the wiki right now for how we'll progress and what resources exiust.
23:06 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: I didn't really, actually.. I just sent the article and said 'person X on network Y can probably explain more'
23:06 🔗 joepie91 :P
23:06 🔗 joepie91 on that note, is there already an (early) list of what kind of things will have to be done?
23:07 🔗 pzuraq If I have time and you throw small tasks at me I'll be able to help
23:07 🔗 pzuraq got experience with html/css/php/js
23:08 🔗 pzuraq would like to help with pre-planning
23:08 🔗 pzuraq if not, just rouse me when november comes round
23:09 🔗 pzuraq I will be in here :)
23:09 🔗 SketchCow Get ye on the wiki
23:09 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Just_Solve_the_Problem_2012

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