[00:01] you should have them try it [00:02] here's a great series from the Consumerist: http://consumerist.com/tag/raiders-of-the-lost-walmart/ featuring items many years beyond their prime still on shelves [00:04] hahaha [00:04] nice [00:04] I brought the drive to the employee working the register in that department and asked him to price check the item as I thought I might be hallucinating. He assured me that I wasn’t and explained that the reason they are priced so high is because the manufacturer will not let them lower the price (which surprised me given the fact that it’s Wal-Mart). [00:05] Since they couldn’t mark them down, they were perfectly content to let them sit there until the end of time. [02:44] I got a box of 5 1/4" floppies from radio shack for free once because they weren't even in the system anymore [04:41] thanks to theblaze commenter: http://www.urinal.net/ [04:41] i'm mirroring it [04:58] looks like some episodes of computer chronicles are missing audio [05:00] http://archive.org/details/Wireless_2 [05:00] http://archive.org/details/OnlineTi96 [05:01] http://archive.org/details/Internet_2 [05:02] http://archive.org/details/OnLineSh [05:07] http://archive.org/details/E3Specia [10:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzryBRPwsog&hd=1 [10:21] I guess the same link like on Vox [11:28] ya [12:48] http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses [12:48] guy in austria raided for running a TOR exit [12:48] and charged with "CP" [12:48] cc SketchCow [12:49] care [12:49] well, yes [12:50] considering he's facing 6 years in jail for that, if convicted [12:50] So let me get this straight [12:50] He runs a service of any kind, legal in Austria [12:50] and for his expense covergae he offers the possibility for donations [12:50] and he gets arrested? [12:51] Tell me it's fake [12:51] please [12:51] So aaah, I see now, someone abused his node exit, which could happen to anyone [12:52] wtf? [12:52] looks like Austrian law enforcement aren't on their latest level on IT [12:52] either [12:54] let me send anything to the Austrian Police with some illegal materials from a reusable e-mail address and then charge them with owning illegal materials [12:55] Police is pretty much immune to those kinds of plans [12:57] I wouldn't have assumed otherwise [13:12] norbert79: ok, you run a shipping yard [13:12] someone brings in illegal cargo, you get charged. [13:12] seems simple enough [13:12] and recieving isn't the same as throughput [13:12] Simple? Yes. Wrong? Of course [13:12] aye [13:12] But don't explain that to me [13:12] explain this to the Austrian police [13:12] norbert79: you open a exit node, you know traffic might be naughty but you let it out anyway. [13:13] Ok, you share a file, should the ISP being punished for that? [13:13] they let it through, right? [13:13] Same problem [13:13] hmmm in the UK ISP's block CP. [13:13] :) [13:13] CP? [13:13] child porn [13:14] oh [13:14] I know way too much abbreviations to know what you might think of :) [13:14] which is appently what the guy got arrested for [13:14] No, he got arrested because anyone who was using his exit node was sharing possible cp [13:15] by running a exit node you are actively handling that traffic [13:15] but it's the same problem like with music share and ISP [13:15] same goes for the ISP [13:15] You can't punish the ISP so they punish the lower man [13:15] big scandal, they fine him, case closed [13:15] you'd prefer a world with no ISP's? [13:16] car annology [13:16] I would prefer a world where the police would decide based on truth and would use their f*** brains [13:16] sue the garage for the drunk driver. [13:16] norbert79: did he setup the exit node in the knowledge it could be abused for narfarious means? [13:16] Yes? Then he's guilty. :/ [13:16] Again, did the ISP know that his customer might share anything illegal? [13:16] Guilty of what? I'm not sure. [13:16] So is the ISP too then [13:16] and the network card manufactuiring company [13:17] and the PC designer [13:17] :) [13:17] they help active CP!! [13:17] :) [13:17] Sue everyone [13:17] Now you see part of the problem [13:17] I already did [13:17] I am sometimes sarcastic [13:17] My favourite problem is with the Germans for example putting a fine on EMPTY harddrives [13:17] norbert79: I'm pretty sure when he signed up with the ISP he agreed not to do anything which might jepoidse their network [13:17] as they might be used for sharing illegal content [13:18] wtf [13:18] germany? [13:18] you sure? [13:18] Yes [13:18] amusing [13:18] Call it tax [13:18] now they already have that for pre-manufactured PCs too [13:19] and tending extending this to anything [13:19] which has any possibility dsaving data [13:19] including copying machines [13:19] norbert79: does it come with a licence to freely share stuff? [13:19] "They might copy boooks.... whoooo" [13:19] No idea [13:19] Probably not [13:19] not like sweden or whatever it is then :( [13:20] No, it's all about putting tax and still get you charged [13:20] despite it's called: Copyright tax, or similar [13:21] http://info.hktdc.com/alert/eu0104a.htm [13:22] yah, broken isn't it [13:22] have cake and eat it [14:28] norbert79:in germany there is a right to copy between friends [14:28] the fee (not fine) on storage media is meant to compensate for that [14:28] it is ancient and promoting the content "industry" but it is not as insane as you try to protray it [14:28] Still, I have seen issues where media has been confiscated because of "illegal materials" [14:29] in what context? [14:29] can't tell details, but have heard about cases [14:29] from German friends [14:29] off a man on the internet? [14:29] well, files can be illegal [14:29] heh german friends, I have a few german friends, lol [14:29] they like to tell me germany is great and nothing is ever wrong there. [14:30] And I have different friends, who tell the opposite [14:30] :) [14:30] :D [22:26] so apparently, a worker at a local school discovered an IBM PS/2 that was lost inside a wall. It was in a small alcove-like room, which for some reason had been covered up with a mounted-to-wall bulletin board. This somehow went undiscovered through at least one remodel/rennovation phase. [22:27] http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/11/ancient_digital_discovery_unco.html [22:34] hahaha, I thought that was just an urban legend [22:41] i don't think it was powered up or anything, so I don't know why it would have just been boarded up in there [22:42] I suppose it might have been disconnected in preparation for moving it out, but someone decided "I'll move it in the morning" and just didn't make it in before the contractors that were tasked with putting the board up [23:25] interview with raided TOR exit node operator: http://raided4tor.cryto.net/