[05:32] So a good portion of my backup media is failing, older stuff first. Between 3 different burners, 2 software programs and a few different kinds of media I figured it out and it still sucks. [05:32] Putting bd-r disks in a wallet is bad for them. Storage in individual cases is the safest [05:32] lame [05:32] I got 13 year old burned dvdrs that do not have this problem [05:32] unsurprising [05:33] how the fuck can this happen [05:33] do not depend on any single item for your data [05:33] backups [05:33] I doubled checked each backup when it was done [05:33] rsync + sha1 [05:33] cool [05:33] and now 2 years later, busted [05:33] well, the problem is BDR has much smaller bits than DVDR [05:34] So now I am building a raid as another backup [05:34] and it uses tiny ink dots anyway [05:34] I just cannot believe how much this sucks [05:34] yup [05:34] I was using cdrs in 1994 and did not have shit like this. I had some faith that after media had been out a few years they work the bugs out [05:35] writable optical media tends to be bad news [05:35] sorry to break it to you [05:35] well it is now [05:35] CDRs fade [05:35] really bad [05:35] I used gold gold cdrs, guaranteed 100 year shelf life [05:35] pfffff [05:35] that's bullshit claim [05:36] the library of congress even approved them [05:36] only way to make anything last is to recopy it every few years [05:36] well I recopy every so many years so I can get more data on each disk [05:36] sure [05:36] it sucks flipping disks looking for old photos and video [05:36] and I am in a suck position [05:36] if you really want it to last, keep duplicate copies on different type of media [05:37] I do profession HD video and photos. So I generate 300+gb a week easy [05:37] magnetic media tend to have more permanence than optical media [05:37] yep that is what I am doing now. Once I get this bluray shit figured. I will have a bluray set and a raid disk array set [05:37] most places I worked still use hardcore tape drives [05:37] LTO-4 tape systems are not expensive on the secondary market [05:37] 800G per tape cart [05:37] and I restored a 15 year old backup once and it still worked [05:37] that sounds good [05:37] yep [05:38] slow but good [05:38] yep [05:38] who makes it? [05:38] http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=lto4 [05:38] it's a standard! [05:38] this is why I love archiveteam, other collectors who get it [05:38] tape carts are about $30: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Ultrium-800GB-Cartridge-LTX800G/dp/B000QEGJH8/ [05:39] I kinda expected hvd would already be out [05:39] I do not trust optical media [05:39] and I know the crystal stuff is coming along [05:39] it's unpleasant to use anyway [05:39] That is a hard burn in binary [05:40] hmm? [05:40] yeah I break cds in my car constantly [05:40] "hard burn in binary" ? [05:40] Crystal tech. It burns binary dots into a hard crystal that is one time only [05:40] oh [05:41] Starts in the multi terabyte range and they run cars over the shit and it still works [05:41] * chronomex shrugs [05:41] I also don't like single-use media [05:41] but it's compelling for archivism [05:41] It is being developed by a bunch of companies and governments as a real long term storage media [05:41] aye [05:42] Hell they even said it is like the data rods they have in star trek [05:42] on the flip side they have dna based hard drives that are starting to work [05:42] a friend of mine did a workup on LTO-6 gear, he says it doesn't get cheaper than spinning rust until you're well into the petabyte range [05:42] er, not petabyte [05:42] well over $500,000 [05:42] you use a tape drive? [05:42] no [05:42] I may start soon though [05:43] probably not, but possible [05:43] I had a 600mb back in the 90s it never failed [05:43] aye [05:43] fuck talk about what should be a solved problem [05:43] no, it's a very hard problem [05:44] bits are -tiny- and we're trying to get the BER to 0? [05:44] in a hostile environment [05:45] I mean a few dozen media and hard drive companies. A couple decades and more than a few billion dollars later and the error rate on hard drive surfaces is the same it was 10, 20 years ago [05:45] which matches your point about how hard this is [05:45] but the bits are multiple orders of magnitude smaller [05:48] I sometimes worry about how the IA is not fully backed up anywhere else that I know of [05:48] IA has backups but they're not georedundant [05:48] so they at least have onsite? [05:48] iirc everything is duplicated onsite at different machines [05:48] for both backup and load balancing [05:50] those tape drives are like $1,000 [05:50] shit [05:51] you can get them for $300ish if you look in the right places [05:51] http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Quantum-LTO-Ultrium-4-WORM-Tape-Cartridge/5312206/product.html?cid=207675 seems a bit too cheap.. [05:51] but yeah typically 1k [05:51] Wait, no, that's a cartridge [05:51] hah [05:51] ffs misleading image [05:51] with a picture of a drive [05:51] wtf [05:52] typical overstock [05:54] It is going to take forever to save up for one of those [05:54] :( [05:54] college debt still ruining my life [05:54] I've figured out a way to generate easy money running off of the guilt of others. [05:55] Buy someone 30 dollars of credit for their pre-paid plan. [05:55] They feel as if they owe me, and send the credit back and pay me in cash for their plan being activated. [05:55] I send that credit to a second person, and they say they'll pay me back. [05:55] $30 profit! [05:55] I don't get it [05:56] Everyone here has a pre-paid plan for their mobile phones. [05:56] Basically, get $30 of credit each month, and a plan gets activated. [05:56] Yeah I do prepaid cause it saves me money [05:56] oh [05:56] You cannot deactivate it no matter how hard you try. [05:57] It's either that, or Redstone Powered takes off and Cameron_D and I buy a tape drive each. [05:59] omf_: for half the capacity, lto-3 drives are for sale on ebay for like $150 and less [05:59] I could live with that [05:59] carts are $20ish [05:59] as long as the tapes are over 100gb each [05:59] for 400gbyte [05:59] anything else is just too small [06:00] lol, I just thought back to the 20mb hard drive that came with my XT back in 85 [06:00] ha [06:01] Sorry, where're these cheap lto-3 drives again? http://scr.GLaDOS.me/1360389638.png [06:01] Damn being in Australia and all. [06:01] http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=lto-3+drive [06:02] that price is not too bad [06:02] One in bidding for 100AUD, pickup only from Sydney. [06:02] ;_; [06:03] So what is everyone else up to? ;) [06:04] Cleaning server up. [06:05] GLaDOS, a never ending task [06:05] Yep :c [06:08] Accidentally uninstalled vim instead of vlc earlier [06:08] I don't even know why vlc was installed either.. [06:11] on the server? [06:12] Yeah, a headless VPS [06:12] maybe someone was using it for streaming? [06:17] Possibly. [06:17] I was using icecast, but that doesn't use vlc AFAIK [06:18] I have used icecast, it is stand alone [06:18] vlc is like the poor mans version [06:22] Heh [06:34] swebb: Could you try rejoining? I want to see if I've set auto-op up on you correctly. [09:36] you guys are now getting the broken g4 videos from g4tv.com [09:37] from 14157 on to the early 16000s most are broken trackers [09:39] 14173 works fine [09:43] i think most of 14175 works [09:43] just the tracker jumps from middle to end [10:27] so when play one of the broken flv files in mplayer it errors with this: [10:27] Error while decoding frame! [10:27] anyone know what that means and how to fix it [10:28] i'm hoping this can be fixed with memcoder or ffmpeg [12:24] this one is very broken: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video14301 [12:24] will have to wait until there is a fix [12:28] broken: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video14283 [12:32] video17015 is broken too [12:33] Jason Scott will have to go with some sort of back hoe and find what videos are broken in this collection [12:34] this way we can have a list of damage files [12:42] looks like robots.txt for thebox.bz blocks everything [12:42] only good news is no thebox.bz user will find out that i mirrored there forums using wayback machine [12:48] Hehe [12:59] hey [13:08] Hi [13:36] so i'm banned from thebox.bz [13:36] cause i told them i mirrored there forums [13:38] how do i dark them? [13:45] You kindly ask underscor or SketchCow I believe. [13:47] whats sad is i really don't want to dark it [13:48] It'll be darkened if they complain. [13:48] If they really do care.. [13:48] ok [13:49] it will be only a few years anyways [13:49] when there dead it goes back up [13:49] or undark [13:50] i shouldn't have told them [13:57] Probably not. [14:16] underscor: are you there? [15:33] it doesn't matter [15:34] i can get the bbc click epsiodes off of usenet [16:13] dmca is taking apart usenet [16:13] it took them a while to figure it out but it is happening now [16:14] once it is gone all we have left is that crap they call google groups [16:16] i'm getting them now anyways [16:16] its mostly 2012 episodes [16:18] i have some incomplete years of sky at night [16:18] but thats ok [16:18] got some full episodes from them [16:19] what quality? [16:20] vhsrips of sky at night [16:20] the quality of the click episodes is pdtv [16:20] i think thebox.bz had webrips for the most part [16:21] so no banner news ticker those videos [16:24] found the hbo show called braingames [16:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braingames [16:24] you guys will be getting it [16:29] I remember that show. sweet [16:40] GLaDOS: Worked. Thanks! [16:41] Heh, redundant auto-op. [16:42] Yup. Nice! [16:50] i may have found better versions of bits and bytes [16:50] these episodes are in the 300-400mb area [17:02] on the g4video-web collection i have uploaded over 5000+ videos [17:03] but there are tons of broken videos in the 14000s [17:03] like this one: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video14520 [17:05] this is very broken: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video14506 [17:05] 7.3k h.264 file derive [19:48] omf_: I've not seen/heard a lot of Usenet DMCAs [19:48] godane: I'm here now, if you still need me [20:02] it doesn't matter [20:02] they banned me [20:03] can't contact in the irc and i don't know if the email i sent will be reply to anyways [20:03] there mad i made a mirror of the forums [20:09] who, ug? [20:12] I'm on there and have plenty of ratio... [20:12] astraweb for example has an automated dmca takedown system that fields an increasing number of complaints [20:12] Torrentfreak or something like that had an article about it [20:20] balrog_: so i'm banned from thebox.bz cause i told them i mirrored there forums [20:20] ohhhh [20:20] personally... I'd mirror the forums, and keep quiet unless the site dies [20:21] I can see why a torrent site would be upset if their forums were publicly mirrored. [20:21] I probably would be upset if it was my torrent site [20:31] http://shinjuforest.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/little-oddities-falcoms-copy-protection.html [20:44] balrog_: I'm on underground-gamer [21:07] underscor: i need you <3 [22:04] anyways any of you guys could make the warc.gz of thebox.bz anyways [22:04] you can still signup i think