#archiveteam-bs 2013-02-11,Mon

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01:07 🔗 omf_ How long do other stress test their hard drives? I do a full badblocks and then a 35 pass test
01:07 🔗 omf_ I was reading how some people slam the drive for 7 days
01:07 🔗 omf_ which does sound reasonable since it is always easier to return drives in the first 30 days
01:40 🔗 ivan` I write checksummed random data and verify the checksums, so one pass of write and read
01:41 🔗 ivan` takes ~22 hours for a 5K4000
01:41 🔗 ivan` if I were more thorough I would test it with some crazy seeking too
01:43 🔗 omf_ had any fails after doing that?
01:44 🔗 omf_ A blog post I just read said there is no advantage to raid 1 over rsync
01:44 🔗 ivan` I have about 30 drives and no failures
01:45 🔗 ivan` unless you count bitflips during reads or writes
01:46 🔗 ivan` I had one 5K4000 DOA that wouldn't even finish spinning up
01:46 🔗 omf_ I want to make a post pointing out how raid can recover a file even if bits of both versions are busted as long as there is no overlap unlike rsync
01:46 🔗 omf_ yeah I had more than a few doa over time
01:47 🔗 ivan` I use a really strange checksumming program for my NTFS that would also let me do that
01:48 🔗 ivan` that failure mode has never come up though
01:50 🔗 ivan` http://www.datacent.com/hard_drive_sounds.php the best sounds
01:51 🔗 ivan` I am the kind of person who removes dust regularly and discharges static before touching things, so I understand why everyone else has piles of dead drives ;)
02:21 🔗 omf_ yeah I have seen it happen
02:21 🔗 omf_ one wrong touch and it is dead. I always touch the case first to make sure I have no charge
02:23 🔗 omf_ I am just surprised how expensive multibay external enclosures can be
02:23 🔗 omf_ all it is is some metal and a power supply
02:24 🔗 db48x they don't make as many of them
02:25 🔗 db48x cost of production is amortized over fewer units
02:27 🔗 omf_ yeah unless I go server. Those are more reasonable
02:27 🔗 omf_ it is fucking 2013 and there is still no good data backup solution
02:28 🔗 omf_ you can get a vibrator attachment for an ipod but your fucked if you need to backup more than a few tb
02:43 🔗 chronomex paper tape just isn't dense enough, bro
03:26 🔗 dashcloud omf_: I've got a 4 bay SATA to eSATA storage unit, and I know they still make similiar units now
03:26 🔗 omf_ dashcloud, would you recommend the one you got?
03:28 🔗 dashcloud funny story- I never got around to using it for the projects I had in mind. Things came up, and I never really unboxed it other than the card that came with it
03:29 🔗 omf_ could you do software raid with it?
03:29 🔗 omf_ wow vcdhelp is now videohelp. Been a long time since I was on that site
03:31 🔗 dashcloud I think so- and it supports port multiplier technology so you can have all 4 drives using only a single eSATA port (if your card/mobo supports that tech)
03:31 🔗 dashcloud but if you need huge amounts of storage, and you've got the time + money, this is probably what you wanted: http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/
03:35 🔗 omf_ that is what I really want
03:35 🔗 omf_ but let me be honest
03:35 🔗 omf_ I am still in debt from doing 2 college degrees
03:35 🔗 dashcloud read the original blog post linked there for more info, and the rest of the instructions. The comments are also interesting- there's a couple of folks who have built them
03:35 🔗 omf_ I need a 3 year temp backup solution for at least 12 tb
03:39 🔗 omf_ well from research it seems a combo of the disk type and bluray burner is why all those disks failed and are less than 2 years old
03:40 🔗 omf_ but it is hard to find solid data or reviews because people in general buy cheap media
03:41 🔗 dashcloud buy stuff with a good warranty then
03:42 🔗 omf_ Only now are there even what I would consider good bluray burners on the market
03:42 🔗 omf_ the first 2 generations were terrible
03:42 🔗 omf_ and the media itself still has not hit the quality level of dvdr
03:43 🔗 omf_ I get unlabeled tiaen yudo disks and they rock, no coasters
03:43 🔗 omf_ I ran some media tests earlier and burns from 2006 are all good 6 years later
03:44 🔗 omf_ I am actually going to write an article with data about all this and get it out there so people know
03:44 🔗 omf_ short version: All LG and Asus bluray burners are junk
03:45 🔗 omf_ I am trying to archive here people
03:45 🔗 omf_ :)
03:48 🔗 dashcloud so you want something like this model: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198047
03:49 🔗 omf_ aaawww yeah icy dock
03:49 🔗 omf_ I used their equipment for years at one of my jobs
03:50 🔗 omf_ way ahead of their time
03:59 🔗 omf_ yeah I am going to get that icy dock
04:10 🔗 godane i'm using bluray to back up
04:11 🔗 omf_ I just had a 99% disk failure using bluray
04:11 🔗 omf_ that were less than 2 years old
04:12 🔗 omf_ it is not mature enough yet and this is coming from someone who has a 2nd gen dvd burner in 2000
04:12 🔗 omf_ I lost data
04:13 🔗 omf_ godane, what media brand are you using
04:14 🔗 godane memorex and verbatim
04:15 🔗 godane memorex is the only one i can find at my staples saidly
04:15 🔗 omf_ what speed verbatim
04:16 🔗 omf_ for me the 2x in retesting is a total flop
04:16 🔗 godane using 6x
04:17 🔗 omf_ LTH or regular
04:17 🔗 godane regular
04:17 🔗 godane LTH is bad from what i have read
04:17 🔗 godane i just bought some memorex disks
04:18 🔗 omf_ Do you look your media up on http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia
04:25 🔗 godane its the memorex ritek br2
04:25 🔗 godane sadly most of them say burn rebliabilty is good
04:25 🔗 godane last review was from 2011
04:27 🔗 godane only one verbatim non LTH review from 2011
04:28 🔗 omf_ woohoo the dvdr backup check passed 100% with a random sample
04:28 🔗 omf_ at least I got those right
04:28 🔗 godane i add sha256sum file to all my bluray burns also
04:35 🔗 omf_ Yeah I keep a checksum list off the media
04:35 🔗 omf_ never thought about putting it on there
04:38 🔗 DFJustin might be worth throwing some PAR files on there too
04:49 🔗 omf_ godane, any reason you picked sha256, md5 does enough to tell you if a file has changed
04:51 🔗 godane its just to futureproof it
04:51 🔗 godane faster computers maybe able to fake md5sums
04:54 🔗 omf_ to make data to beat it is far harder than most people suspect
04:54 🔗 omf_ and then to make that dangerous or an exploit is crazy hard
04:55 🔗 omf_ DFJustin, I like to keep the par2 files on a different medium
06:12 🔗 godane all of bits and bytes v2 is uploaded now
06:13 🔗 godane i'm now uploading discoverly download series
06:13 🔗 godane the true story of the internet
06:16 🔗 godane http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bcSh4qF_W5M
06:16 🔗 godane just found some cool
06:17 🔗 godane 700 club and christian world news
06:17 🔗 godane are on youtube
06:23 🔗 godane we maybe able to get full episode as far back as 2009
06:29 🔗 godane now this is weird
06:29 🔗 godane some more recent programs are 1 hour
06:30 🔗 godane i think i figure it
06:30 🔗 godane the 2 hour programs i think was a telathon
07:23 🔗 godane Old Zelda Commercial Dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3THavMxNDE
10:13 🔗 SmileyG how we doin archivers?
11:05 🔗 SketchCow We
11:05 🔗 SketchCow New Zealand
11:05 🔗 SketchCow I get to rant on stage on Friday
11:05 🔗 SketchCow Gotta work on the show
11:06 🔗 SketchCow I am wearing a wholly inappropriate costume for Friday onstage. It'll be memorale.
11:17 🔗 BlueMax So you'll be dressed up as a bottle of Memor Ale?
11:18 🔗 BlueMax can't say I've ever heard of this Memor Ale but whatever
12:58 🔗 godane SketchCow: I uploaded a v2 of bits and bytes
12:59 🔗 godane its bigger avi files and a vhsrip of the broadcast at 640x480
13:00 🔗 godane just know there is a bits and bytes 2 series
13:00 🔗 godane so the collection will have to be so of bitsandbytes-v2
13:00 🔗 godane or something
13:05 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/tosec is about to happen
13:06 🔗 SketchCow godane: I'll think on it.
13:09 🔗 godane also download the true story of the internet is uploaded
13:10 🔗 godane SketchCow: I uploaded 'The Pirate Bay - Away From Keyboard'
13:11 🔗 godane the 480p version anyways
13:11 🔗 godane also would tosec become dark listed
13:12 🔗 godane only cause i think alot of software companys may not like it
13:18 🔗 SketchCow ----
13:18 🔗 SketchCow Any torrents available?
13:18 🔗 SketchCow Nope!
13:18 🔗 SketchCow Nothing has EVER or EVER will be created/hosted or generated by us, our server or anybody we instructed to do so.
13:18 🔗 SketchCow I am 100% against the Torrent technology and recent Pirate Bay focus has proven my disrespect for Torrents since its birth.
13:18 🔗 SketchCow I ask myself: "How can people actually imagine that this kind of sharing (of illegal material) is allowed in any form or way?. Is people really that dumb?"
13:18 🔗 SketchCow Yes, amazing to see how many fools there are in the world with no clue to what ownership and copyright consists of. Not to mention getting payed for something a talent created for you to enjoy. Where is the respect? The world has gotten obnoxious and Torrents is a beautifull way of showing how ignorant MOST people are. Braindead zombies with white-brains tripping with the bandwagon followers and with absolutely no mind and soul of their own. Re
13:18 🔗 SketchCow No, you should all become like me and the world would be a better place. No shit. Own mind. Own decisions. Just bliss.
13:18 🔗 SketchCow During 2009 I laugh at all the problems and focus Torrent technology has gotten, and for those who lost their way of getting their files. It makes me just wanna say "I told you, HA-HA!"
13:18 🔗 SketchCow ---
13:18 🔗 SketchCow Everything can potentially be dark-listed
13:20 🔗 SmileyG wow, who's dissing torrents?
13:20 🔗 SmileyG If they are american, I'd love to know their views on gun ownership
13:22 🔗 godane sorry
13:22 🔗 godane just was bring up a point
13:23 🔗 SketchCow SmileyG: Norway
13:23 🔗 SmileyG SketchCow: heh
13:23 🔗 godane i know the swish have a automatic weapon in every home
13:24 🔗 SmileyG they are no where near norway godane :)
13:24 🔗 godane ok
13:24 🔗 SmileyG And they are army trained.
13:24 🔗 SketchCow It's cute.
13:24 🔗 SmileyG lol
13:24 🔗 SketchCow It's an outdated view on Torrent technology, which is sad since he's a talented guy.
13:25 🔗 SketchCow But it's OK, I'll just put all of it on archive.org.
13:25 🔗 SketchCow It's only 448gb of material.
13:25 🔗 godane it was torrent technology i was saying that was a problem
13:25 🔗 SmileyG godane: why?
13:26 🔗 godane *not the problem
13:26 🔗 godane typing to fast
13:26 🔗 SmileyG k, lol
13:27 🔗 godane i just don't want nintendo to go crazy with the lawsuits
13:27 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/tosec_dat_19-2012-12-28
13:27 🔗 SketchCow Hoooray
13:31 🔗 godane also i have stuff like BlenderArt and Chip magazine from India to upload at some point
13:32 🔗 godane random thought
13:32 🔗 SketchCow And how are you doing with the book scanner?
13:32 🔗 godane i have not scanned much yet
13:32 🔗 godane on my crap slitaz distro
13:33 🔗 godane the scan can be seen but sane-backends doesn't think its there
13:35 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/tosec_dat_18-2012-09-15
13:35 🔗 SketchCow ....and so on. As I can, I'll be uploading these dat files off their site.
13:35 🔗 SketchCow And then into the software itself.
13:35 🔗 SketchCow They claim they have 3.8tb of total software data up.
13:36 🔗 SketchCow And yes, godane, Nintendo is going up, right into darkness.
13:36 🔗 SketchCow Nintendo has made their opinions known on the subject, as has Sony
13:36 🔗 godane hope it changes at some point
13:37 🔗 godane the 3.8tb is maybe ps2, psp, xbox dumps
13:38 🔗 godane i know that on underground gamer one guy recompress tosec in 7z
13:38 🔗 godane i think it got it to 400gb or something
13:39 🔗 godane sega dreamcast tosec is like 529.42gb on ug
13:40 🔗 godane now i since sega is out of hardware business would that get dark?
13:42 🔗 godane i found tosec amiga cd at 232gb
13:43 🔗 godane sega saturn tosec 2009-07-12 at 179.71gb
13:43 🔗 godane IBM PC Compatibies - CD -Games TOSEC-v2009-07-11 at179.69gb
13:44 🔗 godane there is tons of stuff that tosec has to think 3.8tb is about right
13:50 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, the number didn't shock me
13:57 🔗 godane another blockbuster training video: http://archive.org/details/Starmaker.Training.Series.The.Difficult.Guest.2002
14:00 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: wow, the flaming-torrents guy
14:00 🔗 joepie91 I... have no words for how much stupid is in that blob of text
14:00 🔗 joepie91 :|
14:06 🔗 SketchCow Can archive.org browse rar archives? I don't think so
14:07 🔗 ersi I'd say unlikely as well, but maybe - there's FUSE bindings available for RAR
14:09 🔗 SketchCow Nope.
14:09 🔗 ersi Understandable
14:11 🔗 SketchCow Just have to convert the TOSEC sets, then.
14:11 🔗 SketchCow Trivial.
14:12 🔗 SketchCow Also, just switched to LibreOffice 4.0. Slicker.
14:14 🔗 godane i found a young george lucas
14:14 🔗 godane before star wars interview
14:14 🔗 godane in 1971
14:32 🔗 godane i thought TOSEC sets are zip files
14:39 🔗 GLaDOS SketchCow: We always knew Sockington was actually pope.
14:43 🔗 godane SketchCow: i have uploaded making the most of the micro
14:44 🔗 godane thats another collection from the 1980s doc films
15:05 🔗 godane now this is weird
15:05 🔗 godane i have a video thats out of sync in mplayer
15:05 🔗 godane but not in in vlc
15:14 🔗 SmileyG o_O
15:27 🔗 godane anyways it another g4 special
15:29 🔗 godane in another 2 hours you will have a big thinkers collection
15:29 🔗 godane there is only 11 episodes i could find
15:29 🔗 godane but there the original files i think
15:32 🔗 godane computersandtechvideos is past 10k mark
15:32 🔗 godane 10024
15:33 🔗 godane i think i have helped add at less 8.5k videos to it
15:33 🔗 godane also i have uploaded over 10k files
18:16 🔗 balrog http://explicitly.me/robots.txt
19:37 🔗 godane you guys now have Big Thinkers
19:37 🔗 godane 11 episodes of it anyways
19:44 🔗 Famicoman So does anyone here who works for IA want to sell/ship me an IA shirt? I was emailing someone there but they don't seem to want to get back to me after I said I wasn't local
19:50 🔗 godane uploaded: http://archive.org/details/Big_Thinkers_-_Alvin_Toffler_Futurist
19:51 🔗 omf_ godane, your mplayer and vlc are probably compiled against different versions of ffmpeg
19:53 🔗 godane thinking that
19:53 🔗 godane my distro i have helped build is almost a year old
19:54 🔗 godane need make a new livecd at some point this week
20:48 🔗 balrog http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/esquire-network-g4_n_2662818.html
20:55 🔗 omf_ godane, do you still need help downloading articles from a news site
20:55 🔗 omf_ I think it was gaming related
21:10 🔗 joepie91 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/attack-of-the-show-canceled-x-play_n_2025163.html
21:10 🔗 joepie91 lolwat @ header image
21:12 🔗 godane yes
21:37 🔗 godane uploaded: https://archive.org/details/The_Emperors_New_Mind_Roger_Penrose_-_VHS_rip
21:37 🔗 godane the 1990s version of the kinects is showed in that video
23:11 🔗 balrog I suggest a panic download of http://www.ronpaul.com [ see http://www.ronpaul.com/2013-02-08/ron-paul-vs-ronpaul-com/ ]
23:13 🔗 dashcloud so what's the liveweb url? liveweb.archive.org?
23:14 🔗 chronomex yes, http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.ronpaul.com
23:15 🔗 DFJustin that actually doesn't work right anymore, you have to do http://web.archive.org/liveweb/http://whatever to force a crawl if it already has a copy
23:16 🔗 chronomex ah ok
23:17 🔗 dashcloud anyone know of a way to get historical DNS info? epicclassics.com just points to a parked domain page now, and I'd like to try to contact the folks who ran it, but the email address in the wayback copy is also dead now
23:18 🔗 dashcloud I've used the liveweb link for http://www.ronpaul.com

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