[00:16] looks like commandN only has 5 episodes in IA [00:16] based on blip.tv dumps [00:16] i will be helping to make a collection for them [00:19] godane, thanks for uploading Triumph of Nerds. I just finished watching it and it brings back some great memories [00:19] omf_: nerds 2.0.1 is also uploaded there [00:20] i know of a least 3 collections need will be added to computers tech videos [00:20] Triumph of the Nerds, Nerds 2.0.1, and Big Thinkers [00:21] There is also Braingames episodes that i have uploaded [00:21] I got pirates of silicon valley if that is needed [00:21] but that is a movie [00:22] historical drama [00:22] whatever [00:22] i have it too [00:22] but since its a movie it will just go dark [00:22] true [00:23] I like watch video about the industry because it allows me to actually see people [00:31] looks like the first 63 episodes of commandN are gone [00:48] so pat & stu show screwed up the mp3 again [00:48] first its only 45mins when it should be close to 90mins [00:48] 2nd i think its a repeat [00:49] may have to start just going after video of pat & stu even though most of the time the mp3 should be good enough [00:49] and also its alot of data to download and upload [00:52] ADD Moment: looks like blip.tv collection was giving up on [00:54] the latest video is 122 days ago [00:54] the rest are like 2 years old [01:28] so some good news on commandN [01:28] i maybe able to find some of 200ish episodes that don't have links on there video pages anymore [01:29] also the file sizes are bigger then whats on flv [01:29] by like 2x [04:22] http://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/the-python-documentation-is-bad-and-you-should-feel-bad/ [04:29] we maybe in some lucky with the first 63 episodes of commandN [04:30] the first 4 i couldn't find but episodes 5 to 63 are streamable [04:30] problem is that it uses hipcast i don't know how to get a download link from the streams [04:38] godane: jdownloader and freerapid don't know how to deal with it? [04:39] get-flash-video might be able to handle it [04:40] i'm getting them [04:43] but found out blinkx may host high bitrate versions of these episodes [06:48] This might be an interesting community to build up http://www.reddit.com/r/scrapers/ [06:48] another avenue to spread the word and get knowledge shared [07:46] joepie92: The PHP documentation is aweful, what are you on about [07:46] awful* [07:57] joepie92: can't say I've experienced any of what you wrote in that blog post [07:57] I found learning Python pretty easy [07:57] but that's a personal thing [08:12] the python documentation visual presentation and navigation structure could be improved [08:35] omf_: Indeed [08:48] sigh [08:48] net exploded again [09:46] nope, aria2c is still freezing with 100% cpu. damn [09:47] http://www.gwern.net/Archiving%20URLs [10:00] interesting article. webcite can still eat a pack of dicks [10:03] Gwern's got some good writings on his site :) [10:16] heh, spidering his own browsing history is an admirably direct approach [10:16] and awesome, considering how many nay-sayers there were when we switched to using sqlite in Firefox [10:20] There were some performance problems in the first few versions [10:20] as the history grew too large [10:20] fuck the nay-sayers, they just say nay [14:11] ersi: elaborate [14:11] you're the third or so that I see saying "the PHP documentation is awful" [14:11] but so far noone has said "the PHP documentation is awful because [...]" [14:12] You list a few very good reasons, it's plain wrong occationally, outdated. I'd say most of the examples are horrible as well [14:21] Also, most of the 'descriptions' are.. fugly and hard to read [14:21] and that's like the most important part of the whole ugly docpage [14:53] ersi: yet the PHP docs still work [14:54] because they have a solid structure and organization [14:54] if I need to know something about PHP anything, it takes me 10 seconds to find [14:54] Nature of habits, that's how they work [14:54] if I need to know a similar thing for Python, it usually lies anywhere between 1 and 30 minutes depending on whether I have to find a suitable module first [14:54] then parse the docs [14:55] that may or may not be well-structured [14:55] etc [14:55] no such thing as a quick reference [14:55] I agree that both sets of documentations are ripe for improvements [14:55] but it's nowhere as bad as you're ranting, imo [14:55] I do however enjoy kennethre's hitchhikers guide to python [14:55] eris: it's bad enough to make using Python for my serious projects infeasible [14:55] literally [14:56] ersi: thanks :) [14:56] I cannot switch to Python [14:56] since I simply cannot justify the extra time necessary to find things [14:56] hmmmm [14:56] all docs are a continuous work in progress [14:56] what irks me most is the argument that "the Python docs give you context and other potentially useful info" [14:56] I don't care [14:56] if I want that other info I will look for it [14:56] the python docs are excellent reference [14:56] hmmmm [14:56] terrible newcomer guide [14:56] I find gentoo easy to find docs for [14:56] when I look for something, I want an immediate overview of all information that pertains to what I am looking for [14:56] most people are like "!zomgwthfhgentoowhy?!" [14:56] not half a book of 'context' [14:56] needs more prose [14:56] but I've been using it for years. [14:57] kennethre: Indeed. [14:57] kennethre: they are definitely not an excellent reference [14:57] especially because lack of examples to resolve ambiguity [14:57] one of my most frequent problems with python docs, aside from terrible searchability, is reading something and going [14:57] "do they mean X or do they mean Y? not sure what input format to use..." [14:57] joepie92: well i mean like method reference :) [14:57] * Smiley goes to sleep [14:58] you'll have to elaborate, then [14:58] You have a bunch of classes, which have methods - they're present on a page [14:58] why am I 92 ._. [14:58] Born 1992? :P [14:58] ah, in that sense [14:58] even there, there are issues with undocumented methods [14:58] That's how I parsed it at least - makes me think of Javadocs a little [14:59] but as a general rule of thumb it's fairly complete [14:59] I enjoyed Javadocs, they were nice [14:59] Hah, people born in '92 [14:59] * joepie91 born in 91 [14:59] are just discovering what its like to be old?> [14:59] * GLaDOS born in 97 [14:59] Sup? [14:59] * ersi squints with eyes towards the door [15:00] Â¬_Â¬ [15:00] * Smiley makes a quick get away [15:00] hm, one thing that annoys me about the Reddit thread is this very dangerous line of reasoning that appears to be present: [15:00] * kennethre born in 88 [15:01] joepie91: So, how do you distinguish between all the bazillion dozens of weirdly named functions that you're looking for? Because I assume you know exactly which one you want, when you "Google that up" [15:01] "you do not understand the python docs, so you must be new to programming, so we won't have to listen to your issues with the docs since you just have to learn" [15:01] it's not explicitly voiced [15:01] but strongly implied by several people [15:01] ersi: search for what I need, read blurbs on results page [15:01] 9 out of 10 times, most common one is at the top [15:01] and also what I needed [15:02] What would you search for? A function name? [15:02] I won't claim that this works all the time (because really, wtf function spaghetti in PHP) [15:02] but most of the time it does, and even if it doesn't I always end up with a function that still lets me do what I want [15:02] eh, a few-word description [15:02] "split string" -> explode [15:02] "array length" -> count [15:02] "php ssh2 connect" -> ssh2_connect [15:03] "PDO parameterized queries" -> page on prepared statements and parameterization in PDO [15:03] pretty much always first result [15:04] joepie91: yeah that's python's GET OFF MY LAWN mentality [15:04] it's a problem [15:04] i do my best to counter it [15:04] Hmm, I do have a few instances of things I've looked for that I havn't been able to search for - because I didn't know the name [15:04] kennethre: all this said, the requests docs are *significantly* better than the stdlib docs [15:05] ersi: in PHP? [15:05] like list expansion function(*my_args) [15:05] no, in python [15:05] ah [15:05] joepie91: thanks :) [15:06] There's a few concepts/classes/methods that could use some 'SEO' for sure. I know it's the Python docs, but maybe bang in a term some other language uses so that you can map 'em together regardless [15:06] anyway, requests docs have examples, have brief descriptions (instead of half books) [15:06] * ersi nods [15:06] ersi: I actually find myself using php2python quite frequently [15:06] search for php equivalent (because that's googleable) [15:06] I find that I seldom have to use the Python docs, though. Even as a beginner [15:07] then run it throug php2python [15:07] http://www.php2python.com/ [15:07] for example, http://www.php2python.com/wiki/function.explode/ [15:07] the requests docs is lacking in many areas too, unfortunately [15:07] Maybe it's because I can talk the talk, i dunno. Or maybe Python just rhymes well with my understanding of things [15:08] ersi: I have to refer to them quite frequently - that's the case for every language for me - primarily because I don't remember most things [15:08] a quick reference guide is absolutely vital for me [15:08] if I'm using a new module, I havn't used before or it's more of an advance topic in it self, I go to the docs [15:08] my mind is occupied with a mental model of my code and how it works [15:08] no place to remember a standard lib [15:08] space * [15:08] Let's not talk about models in heads for 30 min again :) [15:08] lol [15:09] passing remark :P [15:09] :-D [15:09] What I find the most annoying, is that I feel it's hard to contribute to Pythons documentation - I don't even know where to voice myself [15:10] ... you can contribute? [15:10] of course you can [15:10] I dunno how or where though [15:11] lol [15:11] ah: http://docs.python.org/devguide/docquality.html [15:12] A lot better prose in the devguide than in the docs :-) [15:50] ersi: that's mildly worrying, haha [15:52] - buffalo.cryto.net: Lost connection to nexus.cryto.net[::ffff:xxx]: SSL_connect(): Success [15:52] .. [15:59] Question: What is the best tool in Linux for opening WARC? [15:59] can't find archivefs [15:59] :( [16:02] warc-proxy or something simular [16:02] let me see if I can find it for you [16:02] https://github.com/alard/warc-proxy [16:03] Cheers... I find it pity archivefs disappearing from github :( [16:04] archive archivefs! [16:04] archive ALL THE THINGS. [16:05] haha [16:05] right [16:12] Hmm, warc-proxy fails [16:13] it complains about python issues [16:13] Yes, i have the necessary python addons installed [16:16] Ok, never mind, I managed it using the FF plugin [17:54] norbert79: What were the errors? Might be worth noting for the future [18:37] http://www.youtube.com/user/peppardb [18:37] tons of network commercial breaks [18:37] and network promos for movies [18:42] I propose we rename 'archive.org' to 'savecloud' [18:45] i think thats what i'm doing [18:45] i found another video game show [18:45] Video Power [19:00] chronomex ~CLOUD~ ALL THE THINGS! [19:01] cloudwashing! [19:09] Cloudclouding [19:09] Cloud watching [19:09] clatching [19:24] godane, have you seen anywhere the first annual spike tv video game awards show [19:24] I always thought that event was important since it propelled video games into the mainstream award circuit [19:25] i don't have the first one [19:25] will look around [19:26] but you do have some of them? [19:26] i have 2008 and 2009 i think [19:26] and 2010 [19:27] awesome, are they uploaded? [19:27] Also I almost got http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/ mapped out and then I will download all the things [19:27] is there an existing collection I should add it to? [19:28] i have not uploaded them yet [19:30] omf_: do you have a index of your map of techtvvault [19:31] It is still running. I am doing it slow so they do not notice [19:31] but I got around the javascript thing via an embedded browser [19:34] how did you get around it? [19:35] i'm hoping to get around it with wget [19:35] anyways gameproTV 1996 series is being uploaded [19:35] wget does not have the facilities to do it [19:36] it cannot process, run javascript and then access the DOM [19:36] just like it cannot properly fetch embedded css images [19:36] or web fonts [19:38] or ajax push/pull if needed