[00:09] http://aaronbatalion.com/post/46617716711/moving-on-to-new-adventures - LivingSocial co-founder quits [00:10] Which is not a surprise since they were goodreads before goodreads existing but killed that app because fuck you [01:06] so, identi.ca is moving to a new platform and they're backing up all their user's data on archive.org before taking it down [01:07] doing it Right.. but hilariously here's the founder getting bugged by users who don't want to be archived http://identi.ca/conversation/99313029#notice-100391723 [01:14] backups everywhere \o/ [02:34] this is interesting: http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2013/03/27/internet-explorer-11s-user-agent-string-what-does-it-mean/ IE 11's changed it's user agent string, possibly in an effort to not be treated as IE of old [02:40] They are trying to shed over a decade of IE only CSS garbage [02:40] I'm going to guess that that change means absolutely nothing [02:40] The reality is their browser is still behind the times [02:40] to the IE team [02:41] and the Internet, like it usually does, is exploding it out of proportion [02:41] I think they are going to remove all those backwards compatible modes [02:41] which used to be a key selling feature until they figured out it fucked things up more [02:41] everyone's moving on to feature detection anyway [02:41] UA sniffing was never a good idea [02:42] I do however find it interesting how a user-agent string change can trigger a blog post [02:43] that's rather interesting because if it's true, that means Gecko will show up nearly every modern UA string [02:47] yeah, it's an interesting study in backwards compatibility [06:00] so i'm uploading some files very slowly [06:00] only cause there is hidden character or something [06:01] it cause IA to give me a 400 bad request [06:02] luckly i can remove the last word and then readd it back in [06:02] to fix it [06:17] looks like + is replaced with %2B [06:18] i only readd + in names with spaces so it was in sync with the xml data list i have [07:53] so i just saved a gamespot episode [07:53] that was lost [10:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO2rM-l-vdQ [10:03] Unreal Engine 4 real-time demo. [10:03] Of course YouTubers are calling it out, but they showed it real-time switching dynamic lighting and wireframes, etc. [10:38] still finding tons of dialup episodes of the screen savers [10:39] trying to give you guys enough of the index to give a big picture of g4 videos index [13:19] gotta power down again for a hardware upgrade. [13:42] The replacement fan didn't exactly fit [17:04] linux game tome will shut down http://happypenguin.org/newsitem?id=11236 [17:04] "Sometime soon, I'll make available a dump of the Game Tome games database (minus user information) that anyone may use for any purpose they'd like, including building a successor site." [17:10] Schbirid: yup, someone here has grabbed it, possibly omf_ [17:10] I don't recall who, I posted here about it tho. [17:10] good! :) [18:07] uhh can anyone here help with grapyahoogroup? [18:12] ? [18:13] http://sourceforge.net/p/grabyahoogroup/code/127/tree/ [18:13] specifically http://sourceforge.net/p/grabyahoogroup/code/127/tree/trunk/yahoo_group/ [18:13] it's supposed to download yahoo groups [18:13] but I don't know perl :/ [18:16] hmm I got it working ;) [18:16] oh [18:21] * balrog_ starts downloading entire Yahoo groups [19:23] i'm starting to mirror happypenguin.org [19:52] godane, it is already done [19:53] I already got all of happypenguin.org [19:54] thanks [20:01] So a recently released report says that the top ecommerce sites have been getting slower since the end of 2011 [20:10] so ch00806100 was screwed up twice [20:10] omf_: o_O [20:11] i only know cause both ch00806100 and ch00806100_2 are just the color screen [20:11] with tone [20:24] http://www.webperformancetoday.com/2013/03/27/top-ecommerce-sites-are-slower-than-they-were-last-year/ [20:24] 5.94 to 7.25 seconds per page load [20:24] and ideal is < 3s [20:26] o-O weird. [20:26] any reaoning to it? I'll need to have a read. [20:27] Developers are lazy [20:27] applications are trying to do more now [20:28] Basically the top three reasons they found all point to developers not optimizing websites [20:33] As a developer I agree with this article. Most web devs are happy just to have a working app on time [20:35] yeah ew [20:36] I stress the on time part [20:38] awr [20:38] rawr [20:38] :3 [20:41] yeah [20:42] What horrifies me (and instantly loses a site my business) is when their ad network stuff loads faster than the actual page [20:43] Why would a commerce site need an ad network anyway [20:44] Oh this one is good: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/233192/detecting-stealth-web-crawlers [21:26] they are also doing more real time analytics and optimizations behind the scenes for you.. which take time [21:27] Yeah I watch a tech talk which showed how real time analytics hardly do anything. It is mostly hype [21:28] How does knowing 85 of something sold in the last second help right this instance versus looking at the day as a whole at the end of the day [21:28] so let's continue here Smiley [21:28] i try to put appliance in their own vlan [21:28] with some serious filtering [21:29] i've seen multifunction printer scanning my whole network for snmp server [21:29] nod. [21:30] tbh I wish our work network was a WHOLE lot clearer than it is [21:30] that said, I also know of worse. [21:30] but theres some things I cringe at and can't fix. This makes me sad. [21:30] when we moved, i forced vlan & logging in the new infra [21:30] my boss tried to do vlan when they moved [21:30] otherwise, it would be a big l2 [21:30] however he never got it working [21:31] and everything where I am is *now* with the whole "we can add that later" [21:31] from the usernames and passwords stored in plain text on the db [21:31] aka never [21:31] to the default passwords on drac cards [21:31] nico_32: when i started, after about 2 months I went bonkers in a tech meeting [21:31] It was appently quite a sight [21:31] been there, done that [21:31] I basically flamed all the devs for their terrible actions. I pointed out as an outsider I could completely bring down the whole business quite easily [21:32] the CTO was very impressed.... so much infact I got a double pay rise when that time came [21:32] I forced them all onto SSH keys. [21:32] One day maybe we'll get root logins disabled completely, but at least it's 16 random chara passwords [21:32] and they put password-less private key on a nfs v2 fileserver ? [21:32] Also a account with access to everything, and a password simular to "password". [21:33] nico_32: Not found anyone doing that yet [21:33] Actually, I know one guy will of, but I give up with him [21:33] he thinks he "knwos IT" as he's meant to be joining the IT team because he currently does telecoms [21:33] i try to force SSO everywhere [21:33] however I've watched him trying to fix things and wanted to cry. [21:33] omf_: it helps a bit when you sell a lot of random crap.. "oh you viewed coffee beans just before you bought this espresso machine.. let's suggest you some of the beans you looked at it before for a combi deal" [21:33] but yeah - generally not worth it that much [21:33] I'd love to have full SSO, but .... alas I'm not a programmer in any way and everyhting else seemed broken in one way or another. [21:33] i lost with the legacy ERP [21:34] I wouldn't classify that so much as real time analytics. For example amazon does this built on months of viewing history [21:34] Our finance team are currently stuck on XP due to the need for a specific bit of software [21:34] "no, i will not enable ssh root login, use your **** AD-account and sudo :" [21:34] I'm getting rather bored of waiting for them to finish updating and thinking I might try getting them a load of XP vm's which I can hide etc./ [21:34] right [21:34] But slams new things in there right as the page loads [21:34] its only good when you can influence the decision on the spot based on new things happening.. but that is hardly ever the case [21:35] nico_32: biggest issue is I don't have enough experience to know how to setup these beautiful things. [21:35] and they need it *now* remember? ;) [21:35] Also Trancer I would not count the existing real time analytics we already had [21:35] RAM usage, io usage, process monitoring, disk space [21:36] Smiley: my current task is to change the legacy AD recovery password [21:36] all that stuff we had before this "real time analytics" garbage. When I hear that term I think of marketing just like "Big Data" [21:36] So we are talking windows setup nico_32 ? [21:36] someone in the support team give it to a contractor ... [21:36] D: [21:36] Smiley: windows + *nix shop [21:36] lol [21:36] ah, we are nix + windows :D [21:37] i introduced fetchmail when they wanted to use popbeamer [21:37] wtf is popbeamer? [21:37] converted 90% of the team [21:37] * Smiley looks [21:37] well everyone loves ssh keys now ;) [21:37] "I can use my OWN password?" [21:37] latest version of openssh is fun [21:38] y/ [21:38] SSO for public key :) [21:38] eh? [21:38] omf_: we do tonsss of big data [21:38] omf_: on our few million records :P [21:38] and revocation list [21:38] rev list doesn't make sense :/ [21:38] you just remove from auth keys? [21:39] or am i missing something here? [21:39] you can always miss a server [21:39] no i can't [21:39] I cannot find a good way to explain what big data is without sounding like a marketing drone [21:39] ha ? [21:39] https://sites.google.com/site/jeromeboismartel/code-s-corner/ssh-key-management-with-skimp [21:39] see this? [21:39] :D [21:39] delete key from database [21:39] omf_: I wrote some decision network for real time (has to be, it is in survey optimization so based on previous answers) that uses a neural net to decide certainty about an outcome.. when certain it routes you further/onwards [21:39] update all servers [21:39] watch as it's removed [21:39] giggle wildly [21:39] watch as boss goes :O [21:40] however yeah I see what you mean nico_32 [21:40] omf_: I like the VVV once, volume, variety, velocity (the velocity is marketing garbage though) [21:40] so the revoke list is stored centerally? [21:40] otherwise the same issue happens [21:40] you forget to push the revoke list to one server... [21:41] not yet [21:41] will probably come next version [21:41] hmmm [21:41] well then at work that'll likely update in 3 years then (damn centos and their slow updates). [21:42] btw nico_32 any good at coding/figuring out how to grab sites? [21:43] i want to grab thq forums [21:43] not really my area [21:43] fair enuf, mer neither :LD [21:44] http://wwe.thq.com/go/thread/view/category_id/thread_id/ [21:45] yup [21:45] tried a few things [21:45] always just got a few pages and then it dies [21:45] need someone whos good ;) [21:45] look like it redirect to http://www.thq.com/tools/goodkeymaster.one?url= [21:46] Set-Cookie: core_u=b6dc65c58f5e14683e926204b033930e; expires=Tue, 19-Jan-2038 03:14:07 GMT; path=/; domain=.thq.com [21:46] look like a time token [21:47] nod [21:47] try to send something a cookie with core_pending=yes and follow the redirect [21:47] #ur already better htan me :P [21:47] I haven o idea how :D [21:47] I'm newb at htis [21:47] what are you using ? [21:47] and I'm getting drunk [21:47] wget-warc [21:47] wgey -r ? [21:47] hmmm, it was longer than that ;D [21:48] don't know lua [21:48] but it look like you need sometime to restart a core_pending=yes request to http://www.thq.com/tools/goodkeymaster.one [21:48] wget -m -v -np -p --warc-file=saintsrow_forums_19032013 --load-cookies=./cookies.txt http://saintsrow.com/community/forum [21:50] yeah look like it a sso [21:51] no cookie =302=> http://www.thq.com/tools/goodkeymaster.one with core_pending=yes [21:51] then 4 cookie that =302=> http://community.saintsrow.com/tools/keyslave.one [21:52] which validate the nonce and set them for the current domain name [21:52] and finally =302=> the original page [21:53] don't really know how to tell wget to periodicaly update the cookie [21:53] by forcing a core_pending=yes request [21:53] I think it will automatically [21:53] otherwise you pass somethi9ng like --no-cookies [21:54] I maybe wrong. [21:54] no cookie => stop on http://community.saintsrow.com/tools/keyslave.one [21:57] D: [22:01] i program badly in php [22:01] not really a code cli language [22:01] s/code// [22:36] http://www.online.net/fr/serveur-dedie/dedibox-extremesp ==> if you don't speak french: dell r910 dedicated server with 4*10 CPU cores, 1TB ram, 8x*900 Go SAS [22:38] xDF [22:39] Wow [22:39] 2000 euro a month [22:39] That's nutty [22:39] but Proxad have a s*** peering policy [22:39] :OOO [22:39] they have a shit peering policy [22:39] so internet connectivity (including french destination) [22:39] That server would cost what, Â£32k? [22:40] is shit [22:40] numericable => proxad: boucing across london [22:40] every other french ISP: IX in paris in the worst case [22:41] some peer at lyonix [22:41] they have cogent & tata as transit [22:41] they don't want to upgrade the links [22:41] so hi congestion [22:42] interesting: a /25 is provided [22:42] lol [22:43] in france, every university have multiple /16 [22:44] because the ripe is now checking allocation [22:44] they are moving every system in the dmz :D [22:47] Â¬_Â¬ [22:48] so ingore the fact someone already nmaped the entire segment? XD [22:48] they will probably tell the ripe that they did have a local issue [22:49] it will probably will be true [22:49] * nico_32 still got mail from the internal sysadmin mailing list [22:50] "the old extreme switch that linked sport department to the rest of the campus failed" [22:51] 10 /24 in the dark [22:52] "fiber cut, what is the ETA on the microwave backup ??" [22:52] * nico_32 is happy he left before the whole merging [22:58] nico_32: hahah like my work, but that is on a far larger scale [22:59] ours is "yeah, you know that raid array, we've been warning you about for 2 years? the one which went out of manufacturing 9 years ago and no one stocked parts for the last 7 years? The one we have no spare parts for and you've told us you'll move off it presently?" "..." "It failed". [23:00] "and the consumer-grade NAS that we used for the backup ? it silently corrupted the data" [23:01] :) [23:02] nico_32: back up? [23:02] lolwhat? [23:02] Yeah no one does backups [23:02] if this wasn't one of the ONLY win boxes in our setup [23:03] shit lives forever on the butts [23:03] this is the FUTURE [23:03] because the billing guys are too stupid/stubond to do anything else, maybe the IT guys (me, the others) could of saved it [23:03] but they are like "don't touch it, it's ours" [23:03] so we left them to it [23:03] It cost Â£32kish to save the data. [23:03] want to know the latest wtf here ? [23:03] Want to hear the REALLY funny part? [23:04] head of bean counter told us that one of them deleted her directory [23:04] Smiley, why didn't they just virtualize the windows into vmware/kvm/xen/etc ... and then it could have snapshot backups [23:04] we check the backup, no such directory found [23:05] she told us we don't know our job and kick a bug fuss [23:05] omf_: :O downtime? [23:05] We could do that stuff in 2004, it is really nothing new but I understand [23:05] omf_: and we have tried to do so [23:05] with vmware you can do it with no downtime [23:05] it's so old [23:05] we check with the bean counter and in fact, this directory was never on this server [23:05] but you have to buy a few programs [23:05] it won't import into VMware [23:05] omf_: ;) [23:05] it's so old [23:05] so old, VMware borks on it [23:05] we've tried [23:05] they have new servers [23:05] What version of windows is it? [23:05] with all the software installed, virtualised [23:05] they "have" moved all the data over [23:06] the servers go outta warranty this year [23:06] 3 years..... they haven't even been booted up. [23:06] .... instead they continue to run on the old stuff. [23:06] p2v of windows 2003 fail more often than win2k8 [23:06] And the FUNNY part? [23:06] hit me [23:06] THERE IS STILL ONE OF THOSE ARRAYS. [23:06] ha ha ha [23:06] the "other" one is still running (it was clsutered). [23:06] It failed, 2 years ago [23:06] so Thats.... 11 years outta manufacture. [23:06] you mean clusterfucked right? [23:06] I actually think the guy will LOOSE his job when it fails [23:07] And I will stand there, laugh and go "I warned you." [23:07] as I did last time too. [23:07] This is why I love this company, I can say this stuff. [23:08] Make sure you did it in email a few times [23:08] i believe i worked for your company 2 year ago ... [23:08] omf_: no, paper works [23:08] don't hesitate to insert copy of the warning on all meeting notes [23:08] yes [23:10] nico_32: hahaha yes [23:10] it'd work if the guys turned up for meetings [23:11] the prtoblem is this guy is old school [23:11] and they won't get rid of him [23:11] but if he costs them another Â£32k I think they might [23:11] especially when I point out tto the New CTO that this has been dragged out for 11 years [23:11] and the servers they had especially brought for them haven't been used either. [23:12] Always frame it as how much money they wasted [23:12] That is how you get their attention [23:13] am i a bastard? naah, I'm pissed off with how bad this is [23:13] yup [23:13] my next shouting fest will be [23:13] Â£32K..... Â£32 FUCKING K. [23:13] Just remember you owe the company nothing and no one there is loyal. [23:13] yeah [23:13] i work hard, play hard [23:14] fuck everyone [23:14] burn the world [23:14] Business loyalty ended decades ago. [23:14] the buisness is really nice suppisingly [23:14] some of the staff tho [23:14] including japan [23:14] * Smiley facedesks [23:14] good bye loyalty, welcome CYO [23:14] s/O/A/ [23:15] I prefer the opposite of cya, fuck your co-workers [23:15] Keep ammo around to lob if necessary [23:15] eeeeev [23:29] - Downloaded 5000 URLs, found 4522 usernames [23:35] Why do beginning programmers always think they can do better rewriting the same programs over and over again [23:35] And I am not talking about the common programs people write to learn programming or a new language [23:36] Like todo apps, editors, html parsers [23:36] A new one I am seeing constantly is getting information out of imdb [23:40] oh thats another thing they do Â¬_Â¬ [23:40] they are currently got 2 programmers building a monitoring program [23:40] theres nothing they are planning we can't already do with our existing one [23:40] oh fuck [23:41] but still they forge ahead [23:41] another monitoring program [23:41] * Smiley dies [23:41] lol [23:41] omf_: oh this will be internal only [23:41] and ? [23:41] what is their reason ? [23:41] but I just face palm. [23:41] nico_32: because nagios isn't nice enough for customers. [23:41] strange api ? nih ? [23:41] .... [23:41] the funny thing is, our customers don't give a fuck [23:41] they want to see "you are making $$$/hr" [23:41] thats it [23:41] You should introduce them to 'Not Invented Here' and 'Re-inventing the wheel' concepts [23:42] they don't give a fuck if teh Aus servers are having packet loss [23:42] I already KNOW the aus servers are having packet loss... [23:42] so I dcunno [23:42] omf_: I did ask, but they never come to IT and go "we want to do this, but maybe you already know how?" [23:42] They write C programs to do stuff I can do in bash [23:42] * Smiley laughs [23:42] Smiley: and they leak memory [23:43] :) [23:43] using o(n^n) algo [23:43] or o(n!)* [23:43] :) [23:43] If I need to do anything more than a loop in bash I jump up to a scripting language [23:43] their head dev insists that each "project" or arm of the company is on its own seperate hardware stack [23:43] yet can never explain to me why this is required. [23:45] then theres the time they put 1,000,000+ .wav's in a single directory [23:46] on a windows filesystem? [23:46] wait, that sounds like it only happened once [23:46] The first time, yes, ntfs [23:46] second time, ext3 [23:46] rofl [23:46] nither likes it very much [23:46] yes [23:47] 1M files ==> sharding [23:47] there is a 2 year old mantis ticket from me saying "guys, you remmeber how on ntfs you put all the files in a single dir...? well you've done it again, plz stop before it starts breaking" [23:47] then a few weeks ago [23:47] Oh look, it's started breaking [23:47] :D [23:47] doing ls would lock up the box [23:47] ha ha ha [23:47] * Smiley facepalms