[00:48] holy crap, why does Steam need 750MB of RAM [01:18] have you never used steam on windows? [01:18] that's pretty decent ram usage [01:25] Steam's using 60MB of RAM for me [01:26] Aranje: I have not, no [01:27] and after a restart it magically went down to like 140MB [01:27] this is ridiculous [01:27] it uses even more than Desura... I did not think that was possible.. [01:27] It's been lighter and more stable since they deployed it on linux (on windows, too) :P [01:28] It used to be the biggest piece of shit... but mostly just the most tolerable piece of shit [01:28] wasn't there a similar thing with the games, heh [01:28] "oh, huh, switching to opengl made our games run faster on Windows as well, hm" [01:28] Yeah I always wonder what that is [01:28] "we did noooot expect that" [01:28] simpler API's maybe [01:28] and then you can retool everything to use less calls etc [01:29] Aranje: mostly, DirectX is probably just an inefficient piece of shit [01:29] hey look, we stopped leaking ram and calling the same render 7 times [01:29] would fit the general trend of Microsoft stuff [01:29] so even with practically 0 knowledge of DirectX, I feel fairly safe stating that [01:29] I'd imagine with the breadth of the games industry somebody would work with MS to make it suck less [01:29] but that isn't always true [01:30] :/ [01:30] I mean shit, if I were EA I'd be doing exactly that [01:30] wishful thinking, wishful thinking.. [01:30] and lol, EA [01:30] sure, but they're the big name [01:30] they only seem interested in finding more ways to annoy paying customers [01:30] well yeah there's a few things I'd change if I was running EA :P [01:31] heh, just a few? [01:31] man [01:32] I'm currently reading through the python gtk docs [01:32] the first would actually to find the first compelling game that came across my desk and buy the studio making it outright [01:32] :D [01:32] it's probably one of the few Python libraries that makes me feel all fuzzy inside, knowing that I'm going to do fun things with it [01:32] and then give them 10x their current budget and tell them to rewrite the game [01:32] probably more because of GTK than because of gobject, but still [01:32] lelz [01:32] Aranje: well eh, they kind of tried that [01:32] about 40 times [01:32] oh? [01:33] the problem is that if EA acquires a studio, there are two certainties: [01:33] 1. they are good at game development [01:33] I haven't seen a new compelling game come out of EA in years [01:33] 2. within approximately 2 years, they will suck at game development [01:33] If I ran EA the first thing I would do is stop all current and future projects to take the time to remove drm from all previous games and then sell them all on sale [01:33] watch the money flow in [01:33] I was a bit sad when EA acquired Phenomic :( [01:33] I was sad when EA got Eidor [01:33] Eidos [01:33] Phenomic is kind of awesome, but since EA has them, they've only made things that sound great in theory but lack in execution [01:33] in true EA style [01:34] culture problem maybe [01:34] (Phenomic are the developers of the Spellforce series, by the way( [01:34] )* [01:34] never heard either of those words [01:34] (which was perhaps the best RPG/RTS combo I have ever played or seen or heard of) [01:34] but I haven't played games in ... well actually a long time [01:34] their voice acting sucked, everything else was absolutely excellent [01:34] it's not a very well known game [01:35] picked it up in a budget bin for 5 euro once, without knowing what it was [01:35] best purchase ever [01:35] for reference the last game I received was red orchestra 2 [01:35] Aranje: I bought this probably >6 years ago [01:35] yeah [01:36] Aranje: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7UCZ3jSn-8 [01:36] it was apparently on sale on Steam [01:36] a week ago [01:36] it's also on GOG [01:36] (if you prefer DRM free) [01:36] dunno what gog is [01:36] :o [01:36] goodoldgames [01:37] gog.com [01:37] they sell DRM-free games, a lot of patched up old titles as well [01:37] yeah huh, never heard of it [01:37] as in, old games that normally wouldn't run on newer windows versions [01:37] but patched to work perfectly [01:37] I have not actually bought anything from them for the simple reason that they don't sell Linux games (yet) [01:38] but once they start doing so, I'll certainly set aside some money there :) [01:38] (assuming they have games I would like to play, ofc) [01:38] basically, instead of all kinds of stupid DRM and client crap [01:38] you just buy a game, and get a .exe [01:38] huh [01:38] (yes, they are legal) [01:39] anyway, have a look at that video I linked :) [01:39] hm [01:39] no actual gameplay in part 1 [01:39] wat [01:40] try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVSMcnAkX8 [01:41] also, the gameplay time of spellforce is beyond insane [01:41] heh [01:41] you can play it for weeks, and still only be 10% in [01:42] without it getting boring [01:42] In that vein I want to play skyrim on pc [01:42] I'm locked to the xbox my roommate has it on [01:44] aaaanyway [01:44] I am going back to GTK stuffs [01:44] watch the video ;) [03:34] Wow, one of my Posterous downloads that's been running at ~0.2kbps actually finished downloading. [03:59] mistym: you didn't get banned? [03:59] balrog: Apparently not? I guess I got rate-limited to next to nothing instead. [03:59] weeeeird [04:21] Just uploaded another linux distro http://archive.org/details/fedora-18_release [04:21] All linux isos that are official releases are going to live on the IA [06:30] 2008: "Hitachi aiming for 5TB hard drive by 2010" [06:40] lol [07:47] SketchCow: we really need to fix this collection: https://archive.org/details/twit_home_theater [11:07] so i'm forced to back up the pat & stu show now [11:07] in video [11:08] only cause when there in new york the clip audios are not in the mp3 files [11:18] i think i found a way to grab the glenn beck highlights [11:19] i say this cause even if we have to block the full episodes we would not have to black the public video on his site that anyone can play [11:20] also will maybe able to save clips of the shows that we don't have [11:20] example: http://web.gbtv.com/gen/multimedia/detail/2/3/5/19124235.xml [11:21] the patten is the last 3 digits [11:23] how do they change godane ? [11:23] not sure yet [11:24] the last but i think its part of the mid variable [11:24] url playback_scenario="HTTP_CLOUD_MOBILE" id="7523742" authorization="N" login="N" mid="2012091024654669" cat_code="" [11:25] the day 20120910 and the id 24654669 for the xml [11:26] that mid is a timecode [11:26] 2012 / 09 / 10 - 24674669 [12:56] Awake. [13:10] Mornin [13:19] hey SketchCow [13:21] i found a video of the guy that first hacked the xbox [13:23] more like the guy that explain xbox hacking without a mod chip [13:24] he did it for research to get a degree [13:24] his name is Andrew "bunnie" Huang [13:35] Bunnie [13:35] Yeah, we've hung out. [13:45] i got a 16 min interview of Geraldo Rivera [14:46] All linux isos that are official releases are going to live on the IA [14:46] that shouldn't be too hard to accomplish :) [14:50] joepie91: all the old ones :P [14:51] even then [14:51] :P [14:51] http://ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/ [14:51] http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ [14:51] perhaps http://www.oldlinux.org/ [14:52] http://www.oldapps.com/linux/ubuntu.php [14:53] http://www.oldapps.com/linux/linux_mint.php [14:53] http://www.distromania.com/ [14:53] poke omf_ with em :P [14:54] or here: http://www.distromania.com/index.php?distro=all [14:54] you just did :P [14:54] no funtoo [14:55] http://sourceforge.net/projects/cd-linux/files/CDlinux-ISO/ [14:56] http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ [14:56] ftp://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/ [14:57] http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/ [14:57] http://vault.centos.org/ [14:58] looks like someone else had the same idea: ftp://ftp.gmd.de/ [14:58] http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/discontinued/ [14:58] ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/discontinued/i386/ [14:59] http://opensuse.jessen.ch/ [14:59] http://vectorlinux.com/downloads < this lists a few mirrors with old versions [14:59] joepie91: Saw the stuff you linked to [14:59] I need more discussion, but yes, I am aiming towards this. [14:59] That the link works is the hard part, the rest is just file reading and interp [15:00] Which I cna do [15:00] re: the mediawiki posting script? [15:00] yes [15:00] alright [15:00] any particular functionality you need added?/ [15:00] or can I pack it up like this? [15:14] Just send it to jason@textfiles.com, I'll fiddle [15:14] I have to write a whole set of "things" anyway [15:42] alright, will do [16:17] SketchCow: sent [16:17] included documentation as well [16:17] docs are written in http://cryto.net/zippydoc, so you should be able to read the .zpy in a text editor if you don't like HTML docs :P [16:21] feel free to pass on, WTFPL or CC0 whichever you prefer, etc etc etc [16:47] uh, guys [16:47] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/29/err_act_landgrab/ [16:47] The Act contains changes to UK copyright law which permit the commercial exploitation of images where information identifying the owner is missing, so-called "orphan works", by placing the work into what's known as "extended collective licensing" schemes. Since most digital images on the internet today are orphans - the metadata is missing or has been stripped by a large organisation - millions of photographs and illustrations are swept [16:47] wtf is up with that [16:53] joepie91, I already have all the iso images, I just have to upload, no need to go out and find them [16:53] alright :P [17:03] that sounds like a welcome reform actually, one of the big problems with copyright post-berne convention is that everything is automatically copyrighted even if it wasn't intended to be [17:03] and so archives avoid working with and preserving 20th century photographs because of copyright paranoia [17:05] DFJustin: it is not a welcome reform whatsoever [17:05] for these reasons: [17:06] 1. if the strong implication in the article that this only applies to commercial usage is correct (which it appears to be, as it's an economic act), that means that this kind of "just use it" usage is restricted to just commercial entities [17:06] and I hope I won't have to explain why that is bad... [17:06] 2. it's unclear what exactly is a 'diligent search', and it seems there are more unclear things [17:06] which means that the only thing this act brings is uncertainty, and a new 'gray area' [17:07] and who have the ability to jump into a gray area and lawyer themselves out of it? exactly, big corporations [17:07] for such an act to benefit everyone, there should not be a restriction on commercial usage alone, and the authorship part should be something objective like "if no author is explicitly listed" [17:08] in its current form, the only entities that it *really* benefits, are large corporations [17:08] I dunno diligence is a standard legal concept, if you are a pro photographer you can put your shit in various well-known repositories where any diligent searcher would find them [17:08] (and really, if we're on the topic of copyright disregard anyway, why not just get it over with, and throw copyright out of the window altogether?) [17:09] DFJustin: if it's anything like in NL, they will charge you [17:09] to put it in said repository [17:09] and aside from that, the problem is that diligence is not explicitly defined [17:09] and up to interpretation [17:09] cost of doing business [17:09] even in a legal sense [17:09] that's the problem [17:09] "cost of doing business" [17:10] if I make a photo because I like making photos [17:10] then any entity could basically exploit it commercially (and only commercially!) [17:10] there is no business, yet it would cost me to protect it [17:10] so, wtf [17:10] the current system where every metadata-less cell phone picture everywhere is subject to huge copyright liability because the 0.1% of people who are pro photographers would be butthurt is ridiculous [17:10] exactly, so get rid of copyright, problem solved [17:10] well ok but nobody is going to do that [17:10] I mean, this act effectively gives a free pass to exactly the entities most people want to be protected from by copyright law [17:11] so we might as well get rid of copyright entirely [17:11] while we're at it [17:11] well ok but nobody is going to do that [17:11] going to do what? [17:11] abolish copyright [17:11] perhaps that is the issue [17:12] I'm not going to claim that copyright is the most misunderstood legal construct in the world, but it's trying pretty damn hard [17:13] nearly noone actually knows how it works - not even when applying it to their own works [17:13] and perhaps a handful of people are aware of the original reason for its existence [17:13] and the realization that that reason has been... more or less wiped out [17:14] if we were to live in a society that had no copyright, yet with the general knowledge of business and psychology that we have now... it would seem absolutely ridiculous to propose introducing the idea of copyright [17:14] it has been proven both theoretically and practically that copyright does not actually advance science and arts, and that it actually works against it [17:14] (and people are aware of this!) [17:15] is thaht not patents#? [17:15] you'd be considered a madman to propose introducing copyright to advance science and arts if peole know that that doesn't work [17:15] SmileyG: copyright had similar/identical reasoning behind it [17:15] basically all of IP does, except for trademarks [17:15] no, the advancing arts language in the US constitution applies to both copyright and patents [17:16] not just in the constitution [17:16] of the US [17:16] sure but that's all I know about offhand [17:16] I think this is even in the Berne convention, and in all the previously existing IP legislation in other countries [17:16] advancement of science/arts is nearly always stated as the reason for introduction [17:16] im gonna set out of this convo as i can't se my keyboard [17:16] personally I am in favour of "copyright" that only protects against plagiarism/false attribution and leaves everything else fair game [17:17] https://secure.flickr.com/photos/djsmiley2k/5262975911/in/set-72157624542185374/ << this is why [17:17] despite being proven wrong in theory (the research on how financial incentive does not actually motivate people and all that stuff) and practice (patent trolls, copyright trolls, etc) people still keep defending it [17:17] even though IP has basically just become a foundation for a business model now [17:17] SmileyG: heh [17:17] DFJustin; actually, that's "moral rights" [17:17] and I am not quite sure that falls under IP [17:18] (legally speaking) [17:18] this is also the reason I am leaving trademarks out of the above topic [17:18] they serve a similar purpose to moral rights [17:18] just because it seems like what young people today assume copyright is http://waxy.org/2011/12/no_copyright_intended/ [17:18] obviously, when I say "trademarks" I don't mean "the color magentta" [17:19] but actual sensible trademarks [17:19] DFJustin: indeed [17:19] copyright is heavily misunderstood [17:19] so since that is what people think it is anyway might as well change it to that [17:19] I actually wrote a post a while ago on my blog [17:19] about licensing [17:19] sec [17:20] the questions in the headers here are the questions that I am facing literally every time I bring up licensing to people: http://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/licensing-for-beginners/ [17:21] almost noone that I have ever discussed this with, properly understand how copyright works [17:22] I'm well aware of how it all works [17:24] mev too [17:25] honestly, this channel probably has the highest concentration of copyright-understanding people of any channel I am in [17:25] except for perhaps swhack [17:25] (but yeah, that makes sense) [17:26] * joepie91 actually added a .license command to the bot in his own channel, to look up licenses [17:35] well be happy [17:35] i just put mit licence on my github [17:37] :D [18:20] i just registered at jamendo's developer site with the username "admin" [18:20] their stupidity never ceases to sadden me :( [18:22] Jamendo is an awesome idea, but their management seems.. less than ideal [18:22] ohey, they have a new developer site [18:23] they had such an amazing vision once [18:23] wait, they discontinued the publicly accessible API? [18:23] as in [18:23] no-signup [18:23] and then they went "oh shit, we have a big team now, we now need to whore ourselves out to money" [18:23] yeah [18:24] Schbirid: elaborate, because I have the idea that you know more about this than I do [18:24] re; vision [18:24] ... where have the database dumps gone [18:24] they were all about open once [18:24] ogg vorbis, ed2k, bittorrent, etc [18:24] and that and the api [18:25] oops, i accidentaly did startx in a terminal in xfce, now everything is weird [18:25] log out [18:25] Schbirid: mmm... perhaps it's time to send them an e-mail [18:25] i've done it many times [18:25] just log out once and you shoul be back to your normal xorg [18:26] just logout is no less worse than rebooting :P [18:26] no [18:26] just log out of the "new" xorg [18:26] should dump you back in your running one [18:26] ah, i kinda half killed it during its startup [18:26] might be been a stupid idea [18:27] you can do xorg in xorg in xorg [18:27] Schbirid: ah :< [18:27] ctrl alt f7? [18:27] joepie91: about "hey, i told you about issues and tried to help and gave contructive feedback years ago, do you enjoy your dead community as it is now?" [18:28] lol, whatever tty i switch to, i am still here and the top of the screen is garbled [18:28] maybe i can blame systemd for this somehow? [18:28] Schbirid: mm. [18:29] Schbirid: don't underestimate the power of asking :) [18:29] asking about what? [18:29] asking about anything [18:29] "where are the database dumps?" [18:29] "why don't you do them anymore?" [18:29] i stopped caring [18:29] "why is the non-login API gone?" [18:31] "please die and let a new better CC music portal take your place, you fucking entrepeneur wanker" [18:31] by die i mean jamendo, by wanker i mean the "management" [18:31] now you got me all angry :( [18:38] Schbirid: interesting twist [18:38] since everything on Jamendo is CC [18:39] it's possible to just grab whatever they have, and set up your own portal [18:39] with that same collection [18:39] building off of it [18:48] "Starting WgetDownload for Item pedobear" O.o [18:49] first streetfiles job i got lol [18:53] LOL [18:54] so everything in jamendo needs adding to IA then... [18:55] https://archive.org/details/jamendo-albums [18:55] granted it hasn't been updated since the api change [18:55] ah cool ::D [18:58] i dont really like that collection, would have been much nicer to use the vorbis zips as they are higher quality [18:58] the vorbis at IA was derived from the mp3 [18:58] would have been much nicer to have the original FLACs [18:58] but Jamendo has *still* not made those available [18:59] (yes, they have a WAV or FLAC version for every album) [19:23] masn i do love my isp [19:23] book a technical visit at 8pm at night, via a pm on the forum? [19:23] SWEET. [19:27] not bad not bad at all [19:28] jhust boring consumer level isp [19:28] nothign special about this, anyone can do it [19:28] just most people perfer to bitch and moan instead of actually seeing if they can get in contact. [19:28] I really should see abotu getting a IDE/Sata interface thing for all these spare drives. [19:29] I could dump images etc on some of them, rangng from 80gb upto 250.... [19:30] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/29/err_act_landgrab/ - joepie91 what you make of this? [19:33] SmileyG: oh that's gooood shit [19:38] SmileyG: I linked it earlier.. it's very very bad [19:38] incoming [19:38] 1. if the strong implication in the article that this only applies to commercial usage is correct (which it appears to be, as it's an economic act), that means that this kind of "just use it" usage is restricted to just commercial entities [19:38] 2. it's unclear what exactly is a 'diligent search', and it seems there are more unclear things [19:38] and I hope I won't have to explain why that is bad... [19:38] and who have the ability to jump into a gray area and lawyer themselves out of it? exactly, big corporations [19:38] for these reasons: [19:38] which means that the only thing this act brings is uncertainty, and a new 'gray area' [19:39] yeay [19:40] if it was "anyone can use it" i.e. cc.....something [19:40] cc-na ? [19:40] well [19:41] this act basically removes the protection against exactly that which most people want copyright to protect them against [19:41] so, in essence, you may as well get rid of copyright altogether [19:41] :| [19:52] I approve of copyright absurdism [19:52] the laws are a farce anyway, it's only logical that they be updated to be meaningless and unenforceable [20:12] Doing what Facebook did in March will now considered a 'dangerous' act for Android developers. From now on, apps listed on the Play store can only be available through that channel. [20:12] sigh [20:17] hmmm i'vel ost my cola :/ [20:17] can only *update* through that channel apparently [20:17] http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=1176759907-12265cf48955ab8b8264d4ce0e1481f5-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5 [20:17] right [20:17] which I'm ok with [20:18] zdnet, y u put tracking URLs in newsletters [20:26] http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/29/4283086/comicsalliance-blog-the-latest-aol-property-to-be-shut-down [20:27] I'm not quite certain what AOL is up to [20:27] actually [20:27] this belongs in #at [21:14] * joepie91 is uploading more WARCs and stuff to IA [21:15] interesting stuff: https://archive.org/details/WeAreLegionFinal, https://archive.org/details/TranceNuWARC [21:15] upload of Zelda Reorchestrated WARCs including music is in progress [21:15] as is the upload of the prerelease 'leaked' version of the We Are Legion documentary [21:15] and probably more stuff I forgot [21:17] joepie91, I did that weeks ago http://archive.org/details/zreomusic.com http://archive.org/details/zreo.perix.co.uk [21:18] all the blog posts, images and audio files [21:18] wtf, why didn't the search find it [21:18] no idea at all [21:18] shall I cancel my upload? [21:19] is it a warc [21:19] yes [21:19] kill it [21:19] k [21:19] I have to extract the audio into a separate item [21:19] hm, won't that leave the item intact without any files? [21:20] how did you upload? [21:20] oh, it already finished the first warc [21:20] html5 uploader [21:20] just leave whatever is uploaded [21:20] Actually, a "never run outta work mode" [21:21] * joepie91 uploads projectpm wiki warc [21:21] SmileyG: ? [21:27] joepie91: for the warrior [21:27] automatically run 1 job from an alt. project if your chosen project has no work [21:27] Just grabbing one job at a time means your always busy, :) [21:27] yes, that is a good idea [21:28] even better: if there are no active projects, collect stuff into a WARC from some site that may possibly be gone in the future [21:28] * SmileyG suggests on wiki [21:28] but is technically not a project yet [21:28] yeah we had a tumblr one for testing. :D [21:32] The real question you have to ask yourself is ArchiveTeam big enough to have pre-emptive downloads of sites when at present we still do not get everything for the projects we have [21:33]