[00:07] doh [00:07] reading https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/you-didnt-ask-it-trademark-owner-tries-invade-public-domain-0 [00:07] makes me think of the Sandy Frank song on MST3k [00:28] Adobe won't fail- failure means people will stop using them. For most of their market, there isn't anything else to use. They may have taken a big step towards killing off casual piracy though [00:31] Having used Adobe products since the 90s I think their two best products are Photoshop and Illustrator. The FOSS alternatives suck [00:34] I give a lot of credit to the open source community but gimp/krita and inkscape are terrible replacements [00:34] considering krita's focus, comparing it to photoshop isn't totally fair [00:35] Nothing comes close in FOSS to photoshop so any comparison is really unfair. [00:35] but krita is a painting program, not a general image editor/creator [00:35] both gimp and krita at one point or another said they were photoshop replacements [00:35] gimp usually does everything i need [00:36] krita has a great direction and ideas but chokes on very large files [00:36] I want a FOSS replacement for Adobe [00:36] if you have those files, submit them as bugs- the designers very much want that to work [00:37] though it was really unhappy several years ago when i was trying to stitch together the panels from scans of a magazine poster at very high resolution [00:37] Larger than memory operations are hard hence why gimp and krita do not scale well [00:38] Photoshop can be used for matte painting at 200,000 by 200,000 no problem [00:39] I have done three different conference talks about this to try and raise awareness of what the current tools can and cannot do and where we need to go. [00:39] that's great to hear [00:40] Nothing changes though [00:40] it does- look at Krita, Blender, and Libreoffice (and to a smaller extent, the GIMP) [00:41] I am talking just about krita and gimp [00:41] maaaan, new debian *still* doesn't include wget-warc [00:41] Blender is the best by far open source media application. It can do audio, video, images, larger than ram operations, cluster and parallel support [00:41] I fucking love Blender [00:42] blender is hard to use and has frustrating buttons [00:42] people say that but not people used to using maya, cinema4D, autodesk, nuke, shake, avid [00:43] is there an easy to use 3d modeling program that's not cut-down or dumbed down? [00:43] There is no silver bullet to lower the complexity of the app [00:43] Make Human [00:43] it is an algorithm based modeler [00:43] very advanced shit [00:43] if you'd like to get a good sense of what's happening with the design programs, the finest news site is: http://libregraphicsworld.org/ [00:44] dashcloud, you just reminded me I need to submit my article for the next LibreGraphicsMagazine [00:44] thanks [00:44] you're welcome! [00:44] I am doing an article on color selection [00:48] dashcloud: I've had great fun with solidworks [00:48] it's for making engineeringy things [00:48] not so good for e.g. sculpting faces [00:48] chronomex, solidworks is awesome too [00:49] I took a one-quarter class on it [00:49] I used it recently since CADkey is kinda dead [00:49] my college class was CADkey [00:50] One of the most helpful classes. We had to build models on the computer and do engineering drawings on paper. I can now read any stand engineering diagram and plan [00:51] yep, that's one of the sort of classes that I would recommend to lots of people in unrelated fields [00:51] I really believe the read and draw plans on paper should be a multiweek module in high school I think it is so useful. Along with a solid finance class [00:51] I think touch-typing should be mandatory in primary school, too [00:51] yep [00:51] yes [00:51] * chronomex shrug [01:08] omf_: while it sucks see how far open source apps have to go to match Adobe's Creative Suite, it's also fascinating to see how far they've come [02:20] SketchCow: did you notice that spark old episode links are not working? [02:29] wow- http://tildehash.com/?article=firefoxs-inspector-tool-as-3d-modeler-seriously [02:45] Yes [02:59] its very funny this happened very soon after your interview [02:59] anyways we got luckly that wayback machine has most of it [03:11] good news looks like all the full interviews are still there [03:11] downloading all of them [03:13] I took touch typing in primary school but I don't even use it I just touch type idiosyncratically [03:14] didn't help that the school district was still using apple IIs with the home row dots on d and k [03:15] I switched to an ergonomic keyboard years ago and it broke all my bad typing habits [03:15] It took over a year though [03:15] :( [03:16] and now normal keyboards feel retarded and cramped [03:24] man, I can't believe I didn't think of that re: 3d inspector [03:37] even more fun: http://www.cbc.ca/spark/full-interviews/2008/09/08/full-interview-brewster-kahle-from-internet-archive/ [03:37] that interview mp3 is 404 [03:44] somehow this feels like they didn't break it on purpose [03:45] thats my thought too [03:45] cause i can get most of the full interviews [03:45] someone needs to let them know [03:46] i think Jason could do that since he was interviewed on it [08:30] so i'm doing a more updated archive glennbeck forums [08:30] using wget+lua with phpbb.lua script [08:32] zomg so hungry. [08:41] found 2 apple magazines that IA doesn't have [08:41] Apple 2000 and Apple Review [08:43] even better: ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/ [08:45] the ftp list: ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II//site_index.txt [08:53] looks like glennbeckinsiders.com casue wget lua to fail [08:53] or at least thats what i'm hoping [08:54] my old dump was 600mb+ [08:54] this pasted dump was only 87mb with images [08:55] i got this error 8 times before it failed: wget: unable to resolve host address 'www.glennbeckinsiders.com' [08:56] i put --exclude-domains=glennbeckinsders.com into my script [08:56] hoping it will fix it [17:13] I have acquired an arcade cabinet. I hear rumor of boxes that will convert VGA to CGA so this arcade beast can display my emulator(s). Does anyone have experience/advice about which such box I should purchase? [17:24] sethish: check here http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/board,4.0.html [17:27] e.g. http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,132134.0.html [17:37] DFJustin, awesome, thanks! [17:37] DFJustin: I started working on http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Optical_Media [17:39] should include a link to http://redump.org/guide/ [18:28] The more the better [18:28] Godane. Do not duplicate Asimov. [18:28] I'm duplicating asimov. [18:28] I promise you. [18:29] That's all I do on the side. [19:05] ok [19:05] didn't hear about Asimov tell now [19:06] *until now [19:07] I know. [19:07] But I assure you. [19:33] godane, question out of interest: how do you find the time to archive so many things? [19:33] because you seem to be unusually active here [19:33] :P [19:33] unless you work at IA... [19:34] i wish to work for IA [19:34] i'm on SSI [19:34] IA would be one of the very very few jobs that I would consider taking [19:34] as in, social security? [19:34] yes [19:34] * joepie91 is not US-based, so not very familiar with the relevant acronyms [19:35] I see [19:35] :) [19:36] y wouldnt u take other jobs? [19:37] a combination of reasons [19:37] most of it comes down to "not contributing to society [optimally]" in the end [19:38] in various permutations [19:38] as in, "I have better uses for my time" [19:38] o_O [19:38] how do you afford internet joepie91 ? [19:38] commercial motive kills off efficiency in contribution to society (long background theory) [19:38] so all commercial entities are out, pretty much, unless very specific circumstances [19:38] sounds like a pile of bollocks to me, lol [19:39] many non-profits either have extremely bureacratic setups [19:39] or very inefficient spending of either money or time [19:39] or both [19:39] so those are out as well [19:39] most smaller non-profits do not offer paid jobs, and income will have to come from somewhere, to a degree [19:39] that leaves a bitterly small amount of possibilities. [19:40] and I have the particular issue, seeing as I'm a programmer, that I don't see writing closed-source software as a constructive effort [19:40] I served on the board of directors of a non-profit for 3 years. The internal politics almost never make it worth it [19:40] and transfering IP to employer makes it very tricky to ensure that code remains open-source [19:40] so most programming work is out [19:40] * Smiley continues to wait for the answer. [19:40] the ones left are pretty much the current contract-work job that I have, and IA - of the options that are relevant to my interests and expectations [19:41] how do you afford internet joepie91 ? [19:41] yah [19:41] contract work? [19:41] I currently have a contract-work job where I write open-source code that I retain IP to [19:41] it doesn't pay terribly much, but enough [19:41] and I have donations from other projects [19:41] fair enough. [19:41] lucky you [19:41] thats a life style many can't get. [19:41] this contract work was probably the first offer I've met that doesn't require me to compromise on my value [19:41] Smiley: it is unrelated to luck [19:41] and has everything to do with dedication and hard work [19:42] ok [19:42] every single bit of income I get, I receive as a result of work I have done [19:42] directly [19:42] good [19:42] often far more work than many people would think is reasonable for such an income [19:42] but I'm fine with that [19:42] And "lucky you" wasn't meant to sound derogatory. [19:42] for the aforementioned reasons [19:42] wasn't assuming it to be [19:42] just clarifying :) [19:43] I do whats required to live the lifestyle I want [19:43] I have my morals, I don't work for a company which is "evil". [19:43] thats all the morals I need :D [19:43] anyway, I've been squatting and dumpsterdiving etc actively for the past 3 years or so... it helped a lot in decreasing my monthly expenses [19:43] for the majority of those 3 years, I have lived purely off donations for projects [19:43] the contract work is more recent [19:44] Good for you [19:44] I've recently moved to a rented place because the stress of squatting was becoming too much (there were some side factors) and I need some time to cool down [19:44] I still dumpsterdive, by choice, and not just to save money [19:44] For what? [19:44] Yeah but that is all window dressing. One of the, if not the biggest impact a person can make is where and on what you spend the money. All this work you can easily be undone by supporting a bad politician or campaign. How do you deal with these issues? [19:44] omf_: who were you responding to? it's not entirely clear to me [19:45] Smiley: food [19:45] I can't do that [19:45] D: [19:45] I couldn't bear it. [19:45] To you joepie91, do you think people's poor spending is a problem [19:45] Speaking of food joepie91 you seen the food waste Ted talk [19:46] Smiley: everyone can do that [19:46] expired != spoiled [19:46] and as a bonus, dumpsterdiving for food greatly boosts your immune system [19:46] joepie91: if everyone did it, who would be throwing away the food? [19:46] yes let me link in this ted talk. It is worth watching [19:46] sorry, let me correct [19:46] anyone can do that * [19:46] joepie91: I also don't need to [19:46] omf_: the spending is not as much of a problem, as the system it occurs in [19:46] I choose to work in the jobs I do, so I don't have to [19:46] there are several what you could call design flaws, whether intentional or not [19:47] and as long as those design flaws exist, things will go as they go now [19:47] Smiley: it's a matter of choice for me, not a matter of need [19:47] it's faster than shopping for food, it's more fun, it's healthier, it's more varied [19:47] *and* it's cheaper [19:47] meh. [19:47] I prefer my fridge :D [19:47] this one ---> http://www.ted.com/talks/tristram_stuart_the_global_food_waste_scandal.html [19:49] Smiley: you mean the grocery store :P [19:49] omf_: I might have seen it [19:49] but let me have a look [19:50] joepie91: I grow some stuff too [19:50] fair enough [19:50] grocery store / garden [19:50] I think that is one of the better ted talks. He has a great story and it involves growing pigs for bacon [19:50] yum bacon. [19:50] * joepie91 starts XBMC [19:53] also, as for the health aspect of dumpsterdiving [19:53] because most people don't realize this [19:53] it doesn't make you sick. [19:53] well duur [19:53] don't bother lecturing me on this [19:53] in fact, I used to be sick monthly... until I started dumpsterdiving, and I've only been sick once, unrelated to the food [19:53] and I know zero people that are careful about dumpsterdiving, that have ever gotten sick from it [19:54] wasn't aimed at just you [19:54] also at anyone else reading :) [19:54] there's disappointingly little written knowledge on dumpsterdiving [19:54] it's immumno-something activiation [19:56] One of my friends, she's so obcessed with cleanliness..... and so gets ill all teh time [19:58] derp, thanks ISP [19:58] did you say anything, Smiley [19:58] Smiley: How many percentage of your food comes from your garden? [19:59] 21:56 -!- joepie91 [~user`\@ip4da23717.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] [19:59] 21:56 < Smiley> One of my friends, she's so obcessed with cleanliness..... and so gets ill all teh time [19:59] joepie91: that was all [19:59] atm 0.001% but increasing slowly [19:59] ersi: hahaha [20:00] aaah [20:00] thanks ersi [20:00] and yes, I recognize this [20:00] Smiley: What's so funny? :o [20:00] also, since I have started renting, I actually have a garden [20:00] i didn't see him drop [20:00] so I am considering growing food there [20:00] ah, hehe [20:00] we didn't have anyhting suitable for growing in up until last weekend, other than the herbs we grow. [20:01] joepie91: I'm not sure I could handle doing what you do - but I think it's pretty awesome. [20:02] urgh lord sugar on telly [20:02] booo [20:02] DOWN WITH T|ELLLY! [20:04] Don't watch television, then [20:06] I'm not now [20:06] watching the TED talk now [20:07] one thing that I just realized [20:07] there is a discount supermarket chain in NL [20:07] called the Lidl [20:07] (people in other European countries may recognize it) [20:07] Yeah, it's a German chain. [20:07] and nearly all of their fruit and vegetables here are irregularly shaped [20:07] so if I had to make a guess, their waste is likely faaaaaar less than other supermarkets [20:07] or their supply chains, rather [20:08] yup it's here. [20:08] (the fruits and vegetables are also of far far better quality than what you can get in nearly any supermarket in NL...) [20:08] as in, taste etc [20:08] they don't last as long [20:08] but I have the suspicion that they use less conservant thingies [20:09] preservatives [20:09] yes, that [20:09] :P [20:10] especially the bananas [20:10] they last far shorter (think 2 days after purchase), and have a very distinct (good) taste [20:10] and their banana boxes don't indicate the thiabendazole or whatever it's called [20:12] I don't understand how most crazy Swedes can eat unripe, green, bananas [20:13] tastes like sour crap [20:13] blend them into shakes [20:13] Uh.. what. How about no [20:14] I could see that, actually. unripe bananas would add more body to a shake [20:15] Sure, but that does not make them better when eaten "whole" [20:15] urgh [20:17] that TED talk was quite nice. [20:25] How big was the formspring grab? [20:27] Aranje: has the grab stopped? 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[20:51] o()xxxx[{::::::*unicode*::::::> [20:52] ✈__✈ █ █ ▄ [20:53] Learned about that one recently [21:00] jackdaniels [21:01] yu myum [21:01] and coke [21:46] omf_: this is old [23:49] SketchCow: Looks like talk on spark is not on the site anymore [23:49] that it was