#archiveteam-bs 2013-05-07,Tue

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00:07 🔗 Coderjoe doh
00:07 🔗 Coderjoe reading https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/you-didnt-ask-it-trademark-owner-tries-invade-public-domain-0
00:07 🔗 Coderjoe makes me think of the Sandy Frank song on MST3k
00:28 🔗 dashcloud Adobe won't fail- failure means people will stop using them. For most of their market, there isn't anything else to use. They may have taken a big step towards killing off casual piracy though
00:31 🔗 omf_ Having used Adobe products since the 90s I think their two best products are Photoshop and Illustrator. The FOSS alternatives suck
00:34 🔗 omf_ I give a lot of credit to the open source community but gimp/krita and inkscape are terrible replacements
00:34 🔗 dashcloud considering krita's focus, comparing it to photoshop isn't totally fair
00:35 🔗 omf_ Nothing comes close in FOSS to photoshop so any comparison is really unfair.
00:35 🔗 dashcloud but krita is a painting program, not a general image editor/creator
00:35 🔗 omf_ both gimp and krita at one point or another said they were photoshop replacements
00:35 🔗 Coderjoe gimp usually does everything i need
00:36 🔗 omf_ krita has a great direction and ideas but chokes on very large files
00:36 🔗 omf_ I want a FOSS replacement for Adobe
00:36 🔗 dashcloud if you have those files, submit them as bugs- the designers very much want that to work
00:37 🔗 Coderjoe though it was really unhappy several years ago when i was trying to stitch together the panels from scans of a magazine poster at very high resolution
00:37 🔗 omf_ Larger than memory operations are hard hence why gimp and krita do not scale well
00:38 🔗 omf_ Photoshop can be used for matte painting at 200,000 by 200,000 no problem
00:39 🔗 omf_ I have done three different conference talks about this to try and raise awareness of what the current tools can and cannot do and where we need to go.
00:39 🔗 dashcloud that's great to hear
00:40 🔗 omf_ Nothing changes though
00:40 🔗 dashcloud it does- look at Krita, Blender, and Libreoffice (and to a smaller extent, the GIMP)
00:41 🔗 omf_ I am talking just about krita and gimp
00:41 🔗 chronomex maaaan, new debian *still* doesn't include wget-warc
00:41 🔗 omf_ Blender is the best by far open source media application. It can do audio, video, images, larger than ram operations, cluster and parallel support
00:41 🔗 omf_ I fucking love Blender
00:42 🔗 chronomex blender is hard to use and has frustrating buttons
00:42 🔗 omf_ people say that but not people used to using maya, cinema4D, autodesk, nuke, shake, avid
00:43 🔗 dashcloud is there an easy to use 3d modeling program that's not cut-down or dumbed down?
00:43 🔗 omf_ There is no silver bullet to lower the complexity of the app
00:43 🔗 omf_ Make Human
00:43 🔗 omf_ it is an algorithm based modeler
00:43 🔗 omf_ very advanced shit
00:43 🔗 dashcloud if you'd like to get a good sense of what's happening with the design programs, the finest news site is: http://libregraphicsworld.org/
00:44 🔗 omf_ dashcloud, you just reminded me I need to submit my article for the next LibreGraphicsMagazine
00:44 🔗 omf_ thanks
00:44 🔗 dashcloud you're welcome!
00:44 🔗 omf_ I am doing an article on color selection
00:48 🔗 chronomex dashcloud: I've had great fun with solidworks
00:48 🔗 chronomex it's for making engineeringy things
00:48 🔗 chronomex not so good for e.g. sculpting faces
00:48 🔗 omf_ chronomex, solidworks is awesome too
00:49 🔗 chronomex I took a one-quarter class on it
00:49 🔗 omf_ I used it recently since CADkey is kinda dead
00:49 🔗 omf_ my college class was CADkey
00:50 🔗 omf_ One of the most helpful classes. We had to build models on the computer and do engineering drawings on paper. I can now read any stand engineering diagram and plan
00:51 🔗 chronomex yep, that's one of the sort of classes that I would recommend to lots of people in unrelated fields
00:51 🔗 omf_ I really believe the read and draw plans on paper should be a multiweek module in high school I think it is so useful. Along with a solid finance class
00:51 🔗 chronomex I think touch-typing should be mandatory in primary school, too
00:51 🔗 chronomex yep
00:51 🔗 omf_ yes
00:51 🔗 * chronomex shrug
01:08 🔗 dashcloud omf_: while it sucks see how far open source apps have to go to match Adobe's Creative Suite, it's also fascinating to see how far they've come
02:20 🔗 godane SketchCow: did you notice that spark old episode links are not working?
02:29 🔗 dashcloud wow- http://tildehash.com/?article=firefoxs-inspector-tool-as-3d-modeler-seriously
02:45 🔗 SketchCow Yes
02:59 🔗 godane its very funny this happened very soon after your interview
02:59 🔗 godane anyways we got luckly that wayback machine has most of it
03:11 🔗 godane good news looks like all the full interviews are still there
03:11 🔗 godane downloading all of them
03:13 🔗 DFJustin I took touch typing in primary school but I don't even use it I just touch type idiosyncratically
03:14 🔗 DFJustin didn't help that the school district was still using apple IIs with the home row dots on d and k
03:15 🔗 omf_ I switched to an ergonomic keyboard years ago and it broke all my bad typing habits
03:15 🔗 omf_ It took over a year though
03:15 🔗 omf_ :(
03:16 🔗 omf_ and now normal keyboards feel retarded and cramped
03:24 🔗 ivan` man, I can't believe I didn't think of that re: 3d inspector
03:37 🔗 godane even more fun: http://www.cbc.ca/spark/full-interviews/2008/09/08/full-interview-brewster-kahle-from-internet-archive/
03:37 🔗 godane that interview mp3 is 404
03:44 🔗 balrog somehow this feels like they didn't break it on purpose
03:45 🔗 godane thats my thought too
03:45 🔗 godane cause i can get most of the full interviews
03:45 🔗 balrog someone needs to let them know
03:46 🔗 godane i think Jason could do that since he was interviewed on it
08:30 🔗 godane so i'm doing a more updated archive glennbeck forums
08:30 🔗 godane using wget+lua with phpbb.lua script
08:32 🔗 Smiley zomg so hungry.
08:41 🔗 godane found 2 apple magazines that IA doesn't have
08:41 🔗 godane Apple 2000 and Apple Review
08:43 🔗 godane even better: ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/
08:45 🔗 godane the ftp list: ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II//site_index.txt
08:53 🔗 godane looks like glennbeckinsiders.com casue wget lua to fail
08:53 🔗 godane or at least thats what i'm hoping
08:54 🔗 godane my old dump was 600mb+
08:54 🔗 godane this pasted dump was only 87mb with images
08:55 🔗 godane i got this error 8 times before it failed: wget: unable to resolve host address 'www.glennbeckinsiders.com'
08:56 🔗 godane i put --exclude-domains=glennbeckinsders.com into my script
08:56 🔗 godane hoping it will fix it
17:13 🔗 sethish I have acquired an arcade cabinet. I hear rumor of boxes that will convert VGA to CGA so this arcade beast can display my emulator(s). Does anyone have experience/advice about which such box I should purchase?
17:24 🔗 DFJustin sethish: check here http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/board,4.0.html
17:27 🔗 DFJustin e.g. http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,132134.0.html
17:37 🔗 sethish DFJustin, awesome, thanks!
17:37 🔗 balrog DFJustin: I started working on http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Optical_Media
17:39 🔗 DFJustin should include a link to http://redump.org/guide/
18:28 🔗 SketchCow The more the better
18:28 🔗 SketchCow Godane. Do not duplicate Asimov.
18:28 🔗 SketchCow I'm duplicating asimov.
18:28 🔗 SketchCow I promise you.
18:29 🔗 SketchCow That's all I do on the side.
19:05 🔗 godane ok
19:05 🔗 godane didn't hear about Asimov tell now
19:06 🔗 godane *until now
19:07 🔗 SketchCow I know.
19:07 🔗 SketchCow But I assure you.
19:33 🔗 joepie91 godane, question out of interest: how do you find the time to archive so many things?
19:33 🔗 joepie91 because you seem to be unusually active here
19:33 🔗 joepie91 :P
19:33 🔗 joepie91 unless you work at IA...
19:34 🔗 godane i wish to work for IA
19:34 🔗 godane i'm on SSI
19:34 🔗 joepie91 IA would be one of the very very few jobs that I would consider taking
19:34 🔗 joepie91 as in, social security?
19:34 🔗 godane yes
19:34 🔗 * joepie91 is not US-based, so not very familiar with the relevant acronyms
19:35 🔗 joepie91 I see
19:35 🔗 joepie91 :)
19:36 🔗 Smiley y wouldnt u take other jobs?
19:37 🔗 joepie91 a combination of reasons
19:37 🔗 joepie91 most of it comes down to "not contributing to society [optimally]" in the end
19:38 🔗 joepie91 in various permutations
19:38 🔗 joepie91 as in, "I have better uses for my time"
19:38 🔗 Smiley o_O
19:38 🔗 Smiley how do you afford internet joepie91 ?
19:38 🔗 joepie91 commercial motive kills off efficiency in contribution to society (long background theory)
19:38 🔗 joepie91 so all commercial entities are out, pretty much, unless very specific circumstances
19:38 🔗 Smiley sounds like a pile of bollocks to me, lol
19:39 🔗 joepie91 many non-profits either have extremely bureacratic setups
19:39 🔗 joepie91 or very inefficient spending of either money or time
19:39 🔗 joepie91 or both
19:39 🔗 joepie91 so those are out as well
19:39 🔗 joepie91 most smaller non-profits do not offer paid jobs, and income will have to come from somewhere, to a degree
19:39 🔗 joepie91 that leaves a bitterly small amount of possibilities.
19:40 🔗 joepie91 and I have the particular issue, seeing as I'm a programmer, that I don't see writing closed-source software as a constructive effort
19:40 🔗 omf_ I served on the board of directors of a non-profit for 3 years. The internal politics almost never make it worth it
19:40 🔗 joepie91 and transfering IP to employer makes it very tricky to ensure that code remains open-source
19:40 🔗 joepie91 so most programming work is out
19:40 🔗 * Smiley continues to wait for the answer.
19:40 🔗 joepie91 the ones left are pretty much the current contract-work job that I have, and IA - of the options that are relevant to my interests and expectations
19:41 🔗 joepie91 <Smiley>how do you afford internet joepie91 ?
19:41 🔗 Smiley yah
19:41 🔗 Smiley contract work?
19:41 🔗 joepie91 I currently have a contract-work job where I write open-source code that I retain IP to
19:41 🔗 joepie91 it doesn't pay terribly much, but enough
19:41 🔗 joepie91 and I have donations from other projects
19:41 🔗 Smiley fair enough.
19:41 🔗 Smiley lucky you
19:41 🔗 Smiley thats a life style many can't get.
19:41 🔗 joepie91 this contract work was probably the first offer I've met that doesn't require me to compromise on my value
19:41 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: it is unrelated to luck
19:41 🔗 joepie91 and has everything to do with dedication and hard work
19:42 🔗 Smiley ok
19:42 🔗 joepie91 every single bit of income I get, I receive as a result of work I have done
19:42 🔗 joepie91 directly
19:42 🔗 Smiley good
19:42 🔗 joepie91 often far more work than many people would think is reasonable for such an income
19:42 🔗 joepie91 but I'm fine with that
19:42 🔗 Smiley And "lucky you" wasn't meant to sound derogatory.
19:42 🔗 joepie91 for the aforementioned reasons
19:42 🔗 joepie91 wasn't assuming it to be
19:42 🔗 joepie91 just clarifying :)
19:43 🔗 Smiley I do whats required to live the lifestyle I want
19:43 🔗 Smiley I have my morals, I don't work for a company which is "evil".
19:43 🔗 Smiley thats all the morals I need :D
19:43 🔗 joepie91 anyway, I've been squatting and dumpsterdiving etc actively for the past 3 years or so... it helped a lot in decreasing my monthly expenses
19:43 🔗 joepie91 for the majority of those 3 years, I have lived purely off donations for projects
19:43 🔗 joepie91 the contract work is more recent
19:44 🔗 Smiley Good for you
19:44 🔗 joepie91 I've recently moved to a rented place because the stress of squatting was becoming too much (there were some side factors) and I need some time to cool down
19:44 🔗 joepie91 I still dumpsterdive, by choice, and not just to save money
19:44 🔗 Smiley For what?
19:44 🔗 omf_ Yeah but that is all window dressing. One of the, if not the biggest impact a person can make is where and on what you spend the money. All this work you can easily be undone by supporting a bad politician or campaign. How do you deal with these issues?
19:44 🔗 joepie91 omf_: who were you responding to? it's not entirely clear to me
19:45 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: food
19:45 🔗 Smiley I can't do that
19:45 🔗 Smiley D:
19:45 🔗 Smiley I couldn't bear it.
19:45 🔗 omf_ To you joepie91, do you think people's poor spending is a problem
19:45 🔗 omf_ Speaking of food joepie91 you seen the food waste Ted talk
19:46 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: everyone can do that
19:46 🔗 joepie91 expired != spoiled
19:46 🔗 joepie91 and as a bonus, dumpsterdiving for food greatly boosts your immune system
19:46 🔗 Smiley joepie91: if everyone did it, who would be throwing away the food?
19:46 🔗 omf_ yes let me link in this ted talk. It is worth watching
19:46 🔗 joepie91 sorry, let me correct
19:46 🔗 joepie91 anyone can do that *
19:46 🔗 Smiley joepie91: I also don't need to
19:46 🔗 joepie91 omf_: the spending is not as much of a problem, as the system it occurs in
19:46 🔗 Smiley I choose to work in the jobs I do, so I don't have to
19:46 🔗 joepie91 there are several what you could call design flaws, whether intentional or not
19:47 🔗 joepie91 and as long as those design flaws exist, things will go as they go now
19:47 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: it's a matter of choice for me, not a matter of need
19:47 🔗 joepie91 it's faster than shopping for food, it's more fun, it's healthier, it's more varied
19:47 🔗 joepie91 *and* it's cheaper
19:47 🔗 Smiley meh.
19:47 🔗 Smiley I prefer my fridge :D
19:47 🔗 omf_ this one ---> http://www.ted.com/talks/tristram_stuart_the_global_food_waste_scandal.html
19:49 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: you mean the grocery store :P
19:49 🔗 joepie91 omf_: I might have seen it
19:49 🔗 joepie91 but let me have a look
19:50 🔗 Smiley joepie91: I grow some stuff too
19:50 🔗 joepie91 fair enough
19:50 🔗 joepie91 grocery store / garden
19:50 🔗 omf_ I think that is one of the better ted talks. He has a great story and it involves growing pigs for bacon
19:50 🔗 Smiley yum bacon.
19:50 🔗 * joepie91 starts XBMC
19:53 🔗 joepie91 also, as for the health aspect of dumpsterdiving
19:53 🔗 joepie91 because most people don't realize this
19:53 🔗 joepie91 it doesn't make you sick.
19:53 🔗 Smiley well duur
19:53 🔗 Smiley don't bother lecturing me on this
19:53 🔗 joepie91 in fact, I used to be sick monthly... until I started dumpsterdiving, and I've only been sick once, unrelated to the food
19:53 🔗 joepie91 and I know zero people that are careful about dumpsterdiving, that have ever gotten sick from it
19:54 🔗 joepie91 wasn't aimed at just you
19:54 🔗 joepie91 also at anyone else reading :)
19:54 🔗 joepie91 there's disappointingly little written knowledge on dumpsterdiving
19:54 🔗 Smiley it's immumno-something activiation
19:56 🔗 Smiley One of my friends, she's so obcessed with cleanliness..... and so gets ill all teh time
19:58 🔗 joepie91 derp, thanks ISP
19:58 🔗 joepie91 did you say anything, Smiley
19:58 🔗 ersi Smiley: How many percentage of your food comes from your garden?
19:59 🔗 ersi 21:56 -!- joepie91 [~user`\@ip4da23717.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
19:59 🔗 ersi 21:56 < Smiley> One of my friends, she's so obcessed with cleanliness..... and so gets ill all teh time
19:59 🔗 ersi joepie91: that was all
19:59 🔗 Smiley atm 0.001% but increasing slowly
19:59 🔗 Smiley ersi: hahaha
20:00 🔗 joepie91 aaah
20:00 🔗 joepie91 thanks ersi
20:00 🔗 joepie91 and yes, I recognize this
20:00 🔗 ersi Smiley: What's so funny? :o
20:00 🔗 joepie91 also, since I have started renting, I actually have a garden
20:00 🔗 Smiley i didn't see him drop
20:00 🔗 joepie91 so I am considering growing food there
20:00 🔗 ersi ah, hehe
20:00 🔗 Smiley we didn't have anyhting suitable for growing in up until last weekend, other than the herbs we grow.
20:01 🔗 ersi joepie91: I'm not sure I could handle doing what you do - but I think it's pretty awesome.
20:02 🔗 Smiley urgh lord sugar on telly
20:02 🔗 Smiley booo
20:02 🔗 Smiley DOWN WITH T|ELLLY!
20:04 🔗 ersi Don't watch television, then
20:06 🔗 Smiley I'm not now
20:06 🔗 joepie91 watching the TED talk now
20:07 🔗 joepie91 one thing that I just realized
20:07 🔗 joepie91 there is a discount supermarket chain in NL
20:07 🔗 joepie91 called the Lidl
20:07 🔗 joepie91 (people in other European countries may recognize it)
20:07 🔗 ersi Yeah, it's a German chain.
20:07 🔗 joepie91 and nearly all of their fruit and vegetables here are irregularly shaped
20:07 🔗 joepie91 so if I had to make a guess, their waste is likely faaaaaar less than other supermarkets
20:07 🔗 joepie91 or their supply chains, rather
20:08 🔗 Smiley yup it's here.
20:08 🔗 joepie91 (the fruits and vegetables are also of far far better quality than what you can get in nearly any supermarket in NL...)
20:08 🔗 joepie91 as in, taste etc
20:08 🔗 joepie91 they don't last as long
20:08 🔗 joepie91 but I have the suspicion that they use less conservant thingies
20:09 🔗 Smiley preservatives
20:09 🔗 joepie91 yes, that
20:09 🔗 joepie91 :P
20:10 🔗 joepie91 especially the bananas
20:10 🔗 joepie91 they last far shorter (think 2 days after purchase), and have a very distinct (good) taste
20:10 🔗 joepie91 and their banana boxes don't indicate the thiabendazole or whatever it's called
20:12 🔗 ersi I don't understand how most crazy Swedes can eat unripe, green, bananas
20:13 🔗 ersi tastes like sour crap
20:13 🔗 omf_ blend them into shakes
20:13 🔗 ersi Uh.. what. How about no
20:14 🔗 sep332 I could see that, actually. unripe bananas would add more body to a shake
20:15 🔗 ersi Sure, but that does not make them better when eaten "whole"
20:15 🔗 Smiley urgh
20:17 🔗 joepie91 that TED talk was quite nice.
20:25 🔗 Aranje How big was the formspring grab?
20:27 🔗 balrog Aranje: has the grab stopped?
20:27 🔗 Aranje dunno, a friend asked about the grab size
20:33 🔗 godane 39k videos in g4video-web
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20:46 🔗 closure I come here to complain about so much unicode in #preposterus and what do I see?
20:46 🔗 closure get off my lawn
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20:47 🔗 omf_ (╯°□°)╯︵ ǝɹusoʃɔ ︵ ╯(°□° ╯)
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20:51 🔗 omf_ the pure evil
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20:51 🔗 mistym o()xxxx[{::::::*unicode*::::::>
20:52 🔗 omf_ ✈__✈ █ █ ▄
20:53 🔗 omf_ Learned about that one recently
21:00 🔗 Smiley jackdaniels
21:01 🔗 Smiley yu myum
21:01 🔗 Smiley and coke
21:46 🔗 nico_ omf_: this is old
23:49 🔗 godane SketchCow: Looks like talk on spark is not on the site anymore
23:49 🔗 godane that it was
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