[01:45] hey folks, have you had trouble recently remembering who you called, or who called you? If you're a Verizon Wireless customer, don't worry- just ask the government- they've been keeping tabs for you: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order [14:34] dashcloud: wow [14:34] they went all out [14:43] underground-gamer irc is dead now? anyone know anything? :( [14:44] Didn't they close due to some possible legal pressures? [14:45] the website did, but they said they had everything safely archived (user stuff) [14:47] Schbirid: #UG on espernet [14:49] cheers [14:56] and now i am crawling snapchat for some stupid reason (fun) [14:56] picked a random user and it does not seem to end too quickly [14:59] snapchat? [14:59] wut [15:00] how do you go about crawling ssnapchat? [15:01] take a user with friends (unlike http://www.snapchat.com/Smiley ), -np and reject /go/ and have fun [15:01] got a working user? [15:02] -np? [15:02] i'm presuming this is some kind of wget fun [15:02] if your teling me you can gragb a users photos.... then LOLS [15:02] http://www.snapchat.com/smiley4 ? [15:02] no [15:03] just friendlists [15:03] dawww [15:04] Anyone sniffed the traffic? [15:10] smelled like farts [15:11] Today for work I am trying something different. [15:11] I woke up and started downing expensive beer [15:12] I read that as "started downloading expensive beer" at first [15:12] Lets see how work is whilst not sober [15:12] so [15:12] apparently a new mobile provider in NL [15:12] provides "really unlimited calling, texting, and internet" [15:13] 7/2mbps 3G [15:13] "no fineprint" [15:13] this is going to be fun [15:14] re NL, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5830994 is pretty crazy [15:18] Schbirid: ha [15:18] tip of the iceberg [15:18] how about police cars that are equipped with 360 degree cameras that record 24/7, send recordings to central storage [15:19] where they are kept for weeks to months [15:19] license plate scanners on police cars, also operating 24/7 [15:19] well, it seems to work, i have not heard of any terrirismosm in NL [15:19] increasing cooperation between government and private security firms because private firms aren't bound by the same legislation [15:19] etc [15:19] Schbirid: have you ever heard of the lion joke? [15:20] nope [15:20] guy: "yeah, I've found a way to repel lions, I just sing 'halleluja' really loud, and they stay away" [15:20] other guy: "I don't see any lions around here" [15:20] guy: "see? it works" [15:20] that about summarizes the security measures in NL [15:20] they're supposedly 'protecting' against something that didn't happen in NL in the first place [15:21] heh, yeah [15:21] all these privacy-breaking measures are very recent [15:21] past 8-10 years or so [15:21] at most [15:21] before that, all these things didn't exist [15:21] and guess how much terrorism happened? 0 [15:21] alot terrorism [15:22] oh, bonus: Dutch ID card stores more fingerprints than mandated by EU [15:22] and they're stored centrally too [15:22] or were, at least [15:22] possibly people have gotten angry enough about it to make it go away [15:22] but I doubt it [15:23] (stored in a foreign country too) [15:23] (not that I care about borders, it's just strategically kind of stupid) [15:24] also, it's kind of disconcerting to think that the same people that were fucked over by collected data during the WWII occupation of the Netherlands by Germany [15:25] are now not doing anything against the increasing surveillance and data retention [15:25] and being ignorant [15:25] one of the reasons Nazi reign in NL was so efficient, was because NL kept perfect tabs on its population [15:25] loil [15:26] (I'm not even kidding - this was seriously one of the greatest contributions to their reign.... the people register....) [15:27] but apparently people are too retarded to learn from that, or somethinbg [15:27] :| [15:27] something* [15:27] It is the same cliche. If you do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it [15:28] indeed [15:28] also, this new mobile provider is odd [15:29] the unlimited one [15:29] they _do_ have a clause saying "fair use, blah blah blah" [15:29] but keep saying "no fineprint" everywhere [15:29] mmaybe it's in font size 12? [15:29] and it's apparently set up by the guy that set up Ortel (a pretty well-known prepaid SIM provider in NL, often used by turks, because they offer really cheap calling rates to turkey and many other countries) [15:29] so I'm inclined to believe that they won't fuck you over [15:29] =) [15:30] also, monthly contract [15:30] no yearly [15:30] those cheap rate things are funny [15:30] lots of ortel ads in germany too atm [15:30] do you know how they work? [15:30] Smiley: ? [15:30] how do you mean? [15:30] VoIP [15:30] quite possibly [15:30] We operate some [15:30] I'm fine with it [15:30] no, they *do* [15:30] :P [15:30] call quality is fine [15:30] just funny [15:30] Of yeah sure [15:30] Which brings me to an interesting question. Archive Team is programmers and system administrators mostly from previous asking around. Who here keeps personal notes for admin and programming? I am not talking official documentation like for a job [15:30] it's just amusing, as anyone with skype can do the same thing :D [15:30] I had a Lebara SIM (that I let expire... D:) [15:30] calls to US for like 5 cents a minute [15:30] heh [15:30] omf_: for admin I do occasionally. [15:31] joepie91: possibly routed via us :D [15:31] omf_: I have a bazillion text files with notes laying around [15:31] Smiley: heh [15:31] it works very nicely though, no complaints [15:32] For the people who don't: Why not? A few years ago I started taking it seriously and kept everything in git since then. Now I have pages of nice clean material most of which is now automated applications so I never have to do tasks more than once [15:32] whenever I find something really non-obvious or an occasional weird problem I make a text file note [15:32] I just found it interesting. [15:32] also have a lot of bookmarks of stack overflow pages and the like [15:32] I keep checklists for a lot of things [15:33] See I moved away from bookmarks because unless the title is good scanning the list is not always good enough. I cut the piece out I need from a page and keep it local. Now I can just grep that dir of text files [15:34] It seems to me keeping notes is the smart and intuitive idea but the lack of documentation everywhere proves me wrong. [15:34] Stackoverflow is a god send because it is all CC and it uses gamification to get more people to contribute information. [15:34] and lower the crap ratio [15:34] also because it has people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about [15:35] which I guess flows from the above properties [15:35] People who know shit are attracted to it because the crap gets voted down [15:35] people there recognize talent [15:35] Giving people props for problem solving is an ego boost [15:36] and what do we know about engineers and technical people? Poor social skills and usually low self esteem [15:36] And yes I have every single data dumb from Stackoverflow backed up already [15:36] dump [15:36] and all the satelite sites too [15:37] grepping a dir of text files is a good idea I think I'll reorganize things a bit in that direction [15:37] too lazy to use git though [15:37] just make a backup [15:37] who do you think you're talking to :D [15:38] you don't have to use real commit messages with git [15:38] you can just timestamp if you want [15:38] yep [15:38] hm [15:39] I use git to help track when I started doing things different. If I pull up an old program and think wtf is this? I can look at the date and check to see if I had found the better solution yet [15:39] There's a piece of software which stores notes in plain text with features; zim - http://zim-wiki.org/ [15:40] We all have experience knowledge in our brains that is useful but atrophies over time, so I just write it down instead [15:40] I use it even for class notes [15:40] org-mode [15:40] I also find mind maps for complex problems a great tool. I use the open source program Free Plane [15:40] True. But for those mortals among us. [15:40] It uses a text xml file which is future friendly [15:44] I do not have to do internet research for a problem I have solved before and I have to remember less shit. I solve a problem and then stick the solution and other data in the notes. Later I just search and go. [15:45] That is why I see taking the few seconds to copy, paste, type and save a non-issue. [15:45] It is the same as search the web just focused on the data I think I might need [15:46] Search engines should allow users to custom tailor the results more to extract this level of value. Google CSE is the closest thing I have found. [15:47] Yeah, that would be awesome. I find grep gives so many irrelevant hits when I search my files. [15:48] I switched to ag a few months ago which conveniently does not search .git .svn .hg etc [15:48] grep -r spends most of its time there [15:51] True - but grep will happily exclude them with --exclude-dir= [15:51] ah right [17:24] phew, poor gephi does not like 20k snapfriend nets [17:41] hm, it seems like the friendlists are always only just 3 friends [17:45] they limited that today [18:05] lol [18:24] omf_: re: your question about administration notes: at my workplace, we are in the middle of a large Chef rollout for configuration management [18:24] I have mixed feelings about it [18:24] on the one hand, I do like the fact that configuration changes are subject to all the benefits of code review and source control; on the other hand, the overhead ranges from palpable to substantial [18:24] part of it may just be the cost of transitioning [18:25] (I'm actually the person driving it, heh) [18:41] Chef and Puppet are nothing special. I used to use cfengine for years and the only difference is the newer stuff is written in a different language and uses different jargon. We have yet to see a really good config management system [18:42] Shit when I do deployments now I just build a single image and install it to everything via the network [18:42] Config management doesn't matter because all the machines look alike [18:43] plus each distro has its own config management/system building software [18:43] Redhat = cobbler, debian = installer (i always forget the name), opensuse = kiwi [18:45] yipdw, did you have any config management before? [18:46] previously, the network was small enough to have it managed by one sysadmin [18:46] that has changed quite quickly [18:47] I've used both Chef and Puppet, but the point isn't whether they're special [18:47] You are introducing overhead. Learning & using puppet, discovery into how everything works, checking against existing documentation, trail & error, shakedown work [18:47] yeah, I know [18:47] you asked about notes and I offered one story [18:47] that's all :P [18:48] Oh yours is the perfect example of why notes and beyond are needed [18:48] we would not be doing what we're doing without configuration management [18:48] After everything is done Puppet will save time on future builds [18:48] yes, we've saved time, definitely [18:48] :P [18:48] I've still got mixed feelings about it [18:49] sometimes I wonder if we went too far in the "formalize it" direction [18:49] stuff like that [18:49] but it's always an approximation procedure [18:50] from facebook: "when i broke up with my last gf i was so mad i deleted her from my friendster that i hadnt logged into in like 4 years lol" [18:51] omf_: I'll say one huge benefit we've gotten is the ability to provision development environments the same way as production, so yeah, it's paid off there [18:51] I do however need to find a way to quantify "paid off" [18:51] time saved is a good place to start; I need to attach a money value to it though [18:52] otherwise finance doesn't listen to me, etc. [18:52] and balance it against time invested in making this crazy thing work [21:01] IA needs a Random button [21:07] agreed [22:28] ^^