[00:10] so, for anyone who pays attention to their spam email (or has to manage spam email for a group/company), are you seeing a wave of phishing emails with broken zip files? [00:17] I'm seeing an overwhelming tide of penny stock ads [00:18] I've always gotten a lot of romanian-language spam, to the point that I have a hard-coded rule to bin anything from a .ro server [01:02] I get turkish marketing emails for no good reason [01:21] most of my spam is in chinese now [01:42] I just get free viagra. [01:42] You guys are lucky. [01:43] I get a lot of house loans and lotteries won [01:43] I feel old [01:52] "On Friday, former NSA contractor Edward Snowden was formally charged by the United States government with espionage, theft, and conversion of government property in a sealed criminal complaint in the Eastern District Court of Virginia. According to the Washington Post citing anonymous sources, the United States has also asked Hong Kong to detain Snowden on a “provisional arrest warrant.”" [01:52] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/united-states-charges-snowden-with-espionage-asks-hong-kong-to-arrest-him/ [02:09] http://www.gog.com/promo/fair_and_square_selection [02:10] wow, gog taking on the Humble Bundle people [02:10] also kind of like a steam sale, though i don't know if steam does sales on packs that don't already exist (like that valve pack) [02:15] Uncle Buck got released in HD [02:15] now I can watch the giant pancake scene over and over again [02:27] https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6qmbqKM3V1qakb6x.jpg [02:52] hahaha [02:52] weirdo [02:55] * omf_ flips pancake [03:21] i really need to get usb 3.0 [04:32] godane: it is pretty nice [05:05] i'm just thinking about it cause i'm like moving folders with over 50gb of videos to my new hard drive [05:05] one that i bought early this month i think [05:06] i'm moving all g4 video to it [05:06] good news is got about 400gb of free disk space on my 3tb drive [05:07] godane: yeah definitely helps. actually esata with sata 3 would be even nicer, depending on your setup [05:09] it also would make me feel better when burning bluray discs of stuff [05:09] why bother with usb 3.0? I agree with arrith1 esata is designed for hard drives only [05:10] i normally don't install anything into my computer [05:10] thats way everything has to be usb or burn to discs [05:11] burn to 'disks' instead, copy over to hdds that you store optionally. sometimes the gigabyte per dollar works out in favor of hdds over discs [05:11] i wonder how reliably esata bluray drives hotplug though [05:12] esata hotplug I found is all about how good the controller you have is [05:13] good thing bios upgrades can affect esata ability. [05:13] interesting [05:16] yeah on my older pc I updated the bios a few years after I got it and it fixed a hot plug esata issue it had [05:16] also opened up the 3tb limit as well [05:17] The mix of firmwares and hardware of modern motherboards is a positive for forward compatibility. [05:18] yeah seems there was some weird linux kernel issue with some multi-TB limit that i hadn't heard about until fairly recently. might've been 2.6.x or 3.x [05:19] seems odd that systems wouldn't just be futureproofed for that [05:20] it is not a linux issue. The MSDOS partition table type fails at over 2TB. Linux has GPT as an option but most people do not even know that exists [05:20] Most Linux distros still default to msdos types to keep windows compatability [05:21] also cfdisk does not have gpt support [05:21] you have to use the newest version of gparted if you want to do it correctly. It is not about futureproof but backwards comparability. [05:22] Linux had petabyte support in the early 2000s [05:22] We now have exabyte support [05:23] petabyte - 1,125,899,906,842,624 bytes == 1024 terabytes [05:24] exabyte is 1024 petabytes [05:24] one thing a person can do is just write a fs to a disk without a partition table [05:26] i think the issue was 2.6.x kernels compiled without CONFIG_LBD enabled [05:31] i'm starting to upload hak5 episodes again [05:31] in hd now since it move to hd back in early 2009 [05:31] arrith1, It is the CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y configuration option that enables GUID Partition Table support [05:32] problem is i basicly have to redownload all episodes of hak5 [05:32] out side of most of season 4 being only in large format [05:34] 2.6.23 had GPT support which was used as the base for Fedora 8, Ubuntu 8.04, etc... [05:37] omf_: yeah seems the LBD thing was back with ubuntu 6.xx [05:39] Anyone else read the Hacker News comments on how browsers store your passwords. The comments truly showed how technically inept that audience is [05:40] and I quote 'I don't even know how to setup a master password and have never heard of the option being available in FF or Chrome' [05:41] which is fucking hilarious since it has always been a feature in Firefox [05:43] omf_: people go back and forth about whether or not Hacker News has declined and i say look no further than comments like that [05:43] It has always been shit [05:43] also it is summer ;/ [05:43] The lack of understand reality has always permutated HN [05:44] well the brazenness of it. being ashamed/meek rather than almost proud [05:44] I have worked for a startup before. Reality is set aside in those environments [05:44] HN needs downvotes for everyone [05:45] omf_: afaik chromium (and probably chrome) on linux uses the system keyring [05:46] yeah chromium uses the gnome-keyring. i wonder if it's able to use the kde equivalent [05:47] it is [05:48] I just, we are the startup community for the web and we have no fucking clue how a browser works [05:48] HN is a ghetto [05:50] omf_: i wonder if they know how a browser works on lobste.rs [05:51] Stackoverflow has it right since the goal is to get the best solution to a question [05:51] I am not saying anything new here; comments are fucking worthless [05:54] arrith1, you make a good point. It is alright for people to make mistakes but to be proud of how ignorant you are... ugh fucking hipsters [05:55] * winr4r makes omf_ a nice cup of tea. [05:55] it'll be okay [05:56] just read all comments as you would listen to guys at a pub [05:57] might be useful, might not, but there's no sense caring about the ones that are not because that's just what guys-at-the-pub do [05:59] omf_: i have a few ideas about what could make a site worthwhile. and a few sites are trying out new things, like stackoverflow and lobste.rs [06:00] reddit's "best" sorting is also a step in that direction [06:00] SO is not anything too new. It is just moderated newsgroups with the need for an account to post [06:00] You roll back a while and you can find moderated newsgroups with good content [06:01] the need for accounts helps stop the shit talkers but even SO has shitty comments sometimes, not to be confused with answers [06:01] This is all at its core a signal to noise problem but fuck people how many times has this been "solved" [06:02] yahoo answers also requires an account [06:03] g4 gamesurge logs are uploaded: https://archive.org/details/gamesurge-g4-chatlogs [06:03] i really don't think that is enough to keep anything more than a rounding error of them out [06:03] yahoo answers main problem is the target audience is too big. How can you build a community around everyone and everything? [06:04] SO and stackexchange are targeted which helps [06:04] i'm amazed at how well SO/SE work [06:05] on the other hand [06:05] code either works or does not [06:07] there's not a whole lot of opinion required in "how do i add a Content-Type header to the response from a django view" [06:08] which isn't to denigrate the people who answer the questions, but you have an objective standard for "is this comment good" [06:10] on some other place, it'll be "does this agree with my politics/upbringing/tastes/attitude" so voting systems self-organise into big ol' circle-jerks elsewhere [06:13] I don't think it is subject matter so much as question quality [06:13] If the question is not open ended, my opinion, views, attitude circle jerk [06:13] example [06:13] Why is Linux good? [06:13] vs [06:14] Why is Linux a good solution for this model of watch? [06:14] omf_: you don't even differ with my asssessment :) [06:14] A simple correct answer: Because it support watch xyz hardware [06:14] whoah too many S's [06:15] I am just rephrasing for the others reading :) [06:15] Lets take this a step further [06:15] If SO/SE generates great questions and answers licensed under CC what is next? According to Jeff Atwood it is Discourse [06:16] which solves that kind of fact finding mission. HN is about news [06:16] so is reddit, slashdot, fark, etc... [06:18] reddit is all about comedy and bs unless it is a subreddit that is heavily moderated [06:18] HN is all ego [06:19] yes there are more fools posting now it is summer and all the cell phone internet peeps [06:21] I would take the news on a multiple day delay if I could get more quality out of it [06:21] Some communities do once a week newsletters with all the important stories. The problem is still editor biases [06:22] yup. [06:22] with all this said i've actually been to HN like three times in my life, all of them briefly [06:24] winr4r: where do you usually go? [06:26] arrith1: for computer-related news? i don't [06:27] http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/06/22/0025213/citrix-founder-and-key-os2-player-ed-iacobucci-dead-at-59 [06:30] https://twitter.com/Ed_Iacobucci [06:30] some one please back up his twitter account [06:34] hey godane [06:35] technically all tweets are supposedly going to the library of congress. at least when trying to get twitter feeds from Google Reader's cache, it gives a lot of errors when it doesn't usually [06:35] hey [06:43] omf_: requiring accounts is not even necessarily a net positive, see the points at http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/ [06:51] Either way you will need a dedicated team of moderators to police the board for trolling and nonsense. [06:51] which appears to be one of the conclusions [06:55] Also anonymous forums get more spam since the barrier to post is lower. Look at our wiki for example. We had to put a pass phrase on account creation and it went from thousands of spam posts a day to none [06:56] SketchCow, Smiley GLaDOS and others spent weeks cleaning that shit up [06:58] that's more just because nobody was keeping an eye on it [06:58] as someone who has adminned a vbulletin, trust me they get p l e n t y of spam registrations [07:05] DFJustin, that is about cleaning it up not about prevention. A good spammer automates everything possible and the conventional solution is to throw up barriers to automation like captcha [07:05] and verified email [07:07] Our wiki barrier works better because it requires someone to understand the registration process and come to irc to get the code. Now if spammers got it and started messing up the wiki we would just change the pass phrase [07:07] and erase the crap they posted [07:11] Trolling is different of course and spamming can be a tool in a trolls arsenal [07:15] i had hoped the wiki spam would stop with a good enough captcha [07:15] but they just kept signing up [07:16] there's also some mediawiki plugin that lets sites share info about spammers iirc, has some auto-updating blocklist [07:19] One approach I cannot recall seeing in the wild is running a spam filter over forums [07:19] just like with email [07:21] not just things like not allowing posts with urls and the like [07:22] I mean someone reports a spam message and then that fingerprint is used to check future and past messages [07:23] i figure the same could be done with usernames [07:29] omf_: akismet? [07:30] and there's another thing out there which blocks bad behaviour based on signatures (like user agents and the like), which apparently keeps out a whole lot of bad actors [07:31] (by "bad actors" i mean bots, not trolls or golden raspberry winners) [07:32] mollom [07:33] akismet is for comments, but from what i can tell, automated forum spam seems to act exactly like blog comment spam [07:34] omf_: was mollom formerly known as something else? [07:34] nope [07:47] hm [08:15] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/ [08:16] 3 previous whistle blowers are talking about how they have been trying to stop it for years [09:46] rawr [18:51] God, I feel amazing [18:51] that's because you are! [18:51] * underscor giggles [18:52] Thanks1 [18:52] !* [18:52] I appreciate that :3 [18:52] :) [18:52] Boyfriend's in town~ [18:52] what happened, anyway? did you actually get sleep or something? [18:52] I'm totally exhausted [18:52] oh, awesome [18:52] We walked like, 10 miles around the city yesterday [18:52] then (blush) had some... bed time. [18:53] And this morning I took some stuff. [18:53] And anyway. [18:55] :P [18:55] are you more productive on drugs or less [18:56] muuuuuuuch more [18:56] but I have a hrd time typeing [18:56] hooray! [18:56] hard time typing* [18:56] well, whatever sinks your sub [18:57] heh [18:57] that's a sad way to put it [18:58] hey, submarines are meant to sink, like boats are meant to float [18:59] yeah [18:59] but sinking has a poor conotation [18:59] (sp?) [18:59] connotation [18:59] i think [19:00] thanks [19:00] that looks better [19:01] it does :) [19:03] hey mistym! [19:03] Hey winr4r! [19:11] in case anyone missed it in the on-topic channel: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=In_The_Media [19:11] i'm collecting media mentions of archive team there [19:11] if anyone knows of any that i have missed, fix it/tell me and i'll fix it [19:16] when the spanish state broadcaster literally calls you superheroes, you're doing a fine thing [19:45] so, this is a strange ad in gmail: We Scrub Your C Drive $29 - advanceremote.net - 60% off while supplies last We Scrub via Remote, you can Watch [19:46] hm [19:46] 1) "while supplies last"? [19:46] lol [19:47] "We ran out of format.exe" [19:47] i actually forgot what 2) was going to be [19:48] B) what about my other drives? D: [19:48] haha [19:50] so that's like sadism for computers [19:50] or a sadism/cuckoldry crossover [19:51] "i'm going to scrub your C: drive and you're going to WATCH" [19:51] * underscor moans [19:54] in computer world, proud eight-core machines strut in business suits through king's cross station on their way to doing Important Things, a couple of Pentium 4s sit around asking passers-by for change, cards in the phone booths read "We Scrub Your C Drive $29" [20:08] I KEEP SCRUBBING BUT I DON'T FEEL CLEAN [20:09] DFJustin: did you sign up for a yahoo account? [20:09] it's okay son, you did the right thing [20:09] winr4r, I was thinking we should also have a wiki page for the articles people write about the technology we build for At. What do you think? [20:10] omf_: that is a very worthy subject [20:10] the stuff you guys have built is *amazing* [20:10] I think all projects like this that build open source software should take a more proactive stance in marketing [20:11] Right now we got twitter covered and started working over facebook [20:14] omf_: talking to some tech/nerd site to get them to cover AT's distributed crawling system would be awesome, because it's a marvel [20:15] but a descriptive article on the wiki about the technology would be neat [20:15] I have been working on that. The first page is http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Tracker [20:17] There are a lot of moving parts, a lot [20:17] and most of this knowledge is buried in different brains [20:18] And these brains live in different timezones [20:18] actually I should just do most of it over email instead of irc [20:19] I even have diagrams I have been working on [20:20] omf_: i'm a reasonably-good writer for semi-technical and technical audiences [20:20] Documentation is the great failure of most projects. Everyone knows its value but do not put the effort in. http://pad.archivingyoursh.it/p/faqs is the newest thing I am working on [20:20] omf_: i've always been a good documenter [20:23] if SketchCow set me on re-working something on the wiki, i'd do it in a heartbeat, but short of that i don't like stepping on toes, or inventing new toes [20:23] well I got you covered then winr4r cause I know what the wiki needs [20:23] because toes usually turn out to be stealthed crotch-kicks [20:23] 1. FAQs [20:24] 2. How to use the wiki [20:24] 3. How to panic grab a site [20:24] One of the key problems is how we are going to get rid of duplicate content. I was thinking linked subpages since we are using mediawiki [20:25] http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_our_wiki [20:27] This way we could share already written material to the FAQ [20:27] and between projects like some of the questions on posterous apply to xanga [20:28] * winr4r thinks [20:29] Our documentation is getting so robust that we have these issues now [20:37] winr4r, I was thinking of changing the format of In_The_Media to start each entry with date published [20:37] Just so people can scan the length of history faster [20:38] omf_: it's already in date order [20:38] (sorry for going quiet, decided to watch "lock stock") [20:39] "2013-06-11 - And the Winner Is… Announcing the 2013 NDSA Innovation Award Winners" as the lead line instead of just the title. I don't know the list just seem un-optimal [21:20] halp! [21:20] if I've recorded a live performance at a theater [21:20] who should I define as author in the upload [21:21] and how should I define the performing artists (with what metatag)? [21:22] cc omf_, underscor perhaps [21:23] joepie91: I think etree.org has some quality guides [21:23] also http://archive.org/details/etree [21:25] can't seem to find anything about metadata :/ [21:27] urgh [21:27] :P [21:27] I'll fix the metadata later [21:28] I am amazed at the video quality of a 50 euro photo camera [21:46] omf_: thanks for working on documentation, that is a tough job [21:50] http://archive.org/details/TheLoadsGoesChasse [21:51] just uploaded, still being derived [21:51] 3GB for 20 minutes... ._. [22:35] adding some free science fiction ebook cd-roms https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Acdbbsarchive&sort=-publicdate [23:40] i'm mirror the boilingfrog website