[00:32] I'd like some feedback from Python devs: http://docs.python.org/2/library/stdtypes.html#string-methods (original docs) vs http://cryto.net/~joepie91/python-docs/strings.html (my version of the docs, work in progress) [01:49] joepie91: probably some official python-discuss would be good for that, if you think it's ready for that point [01:49] I'll be writing stuff on my own at first anyway [01:49] to establish a proper standard for it [01:58] anyway, arrith1, what do you think about readability/clarity/non-ambiguity/newbie-friendliness? [02:09] joepie91: i'm a bit sleep deprived so anything i say is iffy but i like the extra info like errors, and i notice the official docs say "Return" and your's says "Returns" [02:10] :P [02:10] actually the official docs sometimes say return and sometimes say returns [02:10] I always use returns [02:16] ah [02:24] it's interesting [02:25] "returns" makes sense if you're saying "this function returns", "return" if "this function will return" [02:27] and which of those is correct kind of depends on the way you mentally map a function onto a thing that can be described [02:27] like, does a function always exist, or only when you call it? [02:27] and if that program isn't even running anywhere in the world at a moment in time, is "this function returns" even true? [02:28] again, there's no right answer, and i tend towards the "returns" usage [02:29] it does illuminate linguistic biases/mental maps, though [02:45] winr4r: there should be a standard at least :P [07:55] so i just figured out that i was blute forcing gbtv/theblaze xml to hard [07:55] i was error pages when i should have been [07:57] just puting a wait of 0.1 seconds stops that [09:58] hmm [09:59] are offical playstation 2 mags on the archive at all? [09:59] * Smiley looks at a forum he frequents and the discssion of old mags people have [13:44] Not yet [13:47] i know there are a few scans from UK or NZ edition of called the offical playstation 2 magazine [13:50] You know, magazine and book scanning is happening at a pretty fantastic rate. [13:50] But we're behind here and there. [13:50] Next is for ComputerMagazines to have a proper menu on front page. [14:00] SketchCow: can I take that to mean there is already a physical archive of said items? [14:01] There are multiple [14:01] Playstation 2 magazine, not specifically [14:04] on a related note, are there physical copies of Amiga Format, someone was complaining about the scan quality in another channel [14:06] I don't have them, specifically. [14:06] Like, here [14:08] So, part of what I'm trying to do with archive.org is that everything goes up. [14:08] Everybody looks at them, and goes "man, we really fucked up XXX" [14:08] And that now there's a reason to make a new not-fucked XXX [14:13] maaaaaan [14:13] i so badly wish I could be a IA guy D: [14:14] i feel so jelly [14:17] on the other hand bunch of 250Gb satas coming my way at work, ireally need a ..... bay thingy [14:26] that's.. nothing o_o [14:40] ersi: it is for me :D [14:43] Smiley is storage challenged [14:44] indeed. [14:48] he goes up to random people on the street holding a bowl with a small flash drive in it [14:48] "please sir may I have some more" [14:48] Are there any 'bulk scanning' outposts in the UK? I find myself in possession of far too many old computer magazines (and cover CDs.. and cover floppies, such is the age of the collection.) [14:49] This legacy 'analogue paper' format is very nice, but also means I can barely fit into my room. :) [14:51] where abouts you located btw antomatic `?not that I can help... [14:52] Down in Hampshire. Land of forests, and trees, and old magazines. :) [14:53] I used to be/still am something of a hoarder already, and a family friend passed away last year, supplementing the magazine collection considerably. [14:54] Including some magazines which are NOT about computers - I can't imagine what purpose those would have. [14:54] Who knew that such a thing existed? [14:55] I can (and probably will) ISO all the CDs, that's fine - it's the paper that's the problem. [14:56] I understand there's at least one other popular genre of magazines [14:56] apparently they grow wild in bushes near bus stops [14:56] ... but the rise of the internet may have made them markedly less popular ;) [14:57] ahem. :) [14:58] That could be an interesting experiment.. leaving 20-year-old copies of 'Computer Shopper'* near bus-stops. :) [14:58] * - UK title, no relation to US one of similar name [14:59] was that the almost phonebook like one? [14:59] hah. "Phwoar, look at the expansion slots on that!", said nobody, ever. [14:59] that's the ones, Smiley. [14:59] those were epic [14:59] like Â£4 and take 3 months to get through. [14:59] "Ohhhh, 512 megs of RAM for Â£399! Yes! Yes! Yes" [15:00] At first they were mostly articles, in later years they were mostly adverts. :) [15:02] I've just gone and grabbed one at random - two cover CDs, and 968 pages of solid magazine thickness. [15:02] :)) [15:02] (albeit mostly advertising - but still irresistible.) [15:02] some of the adverts were good though [15:02] proper infomercial style. [15:02] love it. [15:02] I wouldn't love scaning one of them in ::? [15:02] pfft. I remember the excitement when I bought the first issue of PC Plus to come with two 360KB floppies on the front, instead of just one [15:03] I'm not sure I could get my way through one. :) [15:03] not sure I remember what program justified that, though. when they stuck Lotus Symphony on the cover disk they needed four floppies, from memory [15:03] They're perfect-bound as well (phonebook style, as you say) so you'd virtually have to destroy them to get a good edge-to-edge scan. [15:03] I bought a couple of PC Plus-es back in the day. Ahh, memories. [15:05] I took it for twenty years, give or take. lost most of my collection when I was at university, though, and my parents decided it was taking up too much space in the attic - I think they kept one issue per year, or something [15:05] ouch. [15:05] I'd shove the lot in the recycling in a heartbeat if I thought the publishers had (or would make available) decent digital copies, but my guess is that they almost certainly won't have - or wouldn't make them available, anyway. [15:06] stopped taking it sometime last year, as it was just sitting in its wrapper until I forgot about it :/ [15:06] I had the same problem, Baljem - just too much to read [15:07] I /think/ Future put back issues of PC Plus on the cover disk in later years - I really should dig through what I have and see if there are PDFs of the early issues [15:08] whoa, unless I'm utterly sucking at navigating the web it appears the magazine folded sometime last year [15:08] I also appear to have acquired 42 kilograms of National Geographic (1962-1977) although I understand they're very digitally available now. :) [15:08] blimey. now I feel bad about not renewing my subscription for those last six months... [15:09] I think a lot of tech magazines have had hard times recently [15:12] yeah. PC Plus had got worryingly thin - almost on a par with weeklies like New Scientist or Amateur Pornographer - yet was twice the price or more [15:13] and basically covered news anybody interested in PCs had read on the web a week before publication... [15:18] SketchCow: This has your name all over it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Huge-Lot-342-CD-ROMs-Games-Apps-Utilities-Tutorials-Drivers-Education-/330941711832?pt=US_Wholesale_Software&hash=item4d0da9c5d8 [15:47] holy jeezus [19:46] Godane: Done, bought [21:19] SketchCow, I'd like your feedback on something: at times, recordings of afterhoursdjs.org fail because of network blips and such, and they are marked 'incomplete' [21:19] so far I've not uploaded those to IA, just kept them in my own archive [21:19] and they usually range anywhere from 10KB to 100MB [21:19] what should I do with them? [21:19] they're not complete livesets usually, just bits and pieces [21:22] ie http://ahdjs.archive.cryto.net/Incomplete/ [21:43] do they "play" joepie91 ? [21:43] If so, upload them and tag them as incomplete. [21:56] Smiley: every single one of them is valid, format-wise [21:56] just some of them are literally less than a second of audio [22:06] I would keep anything over 5 seconds [22:06] hackaday is still going strong [22:10] joepie91: I'd shove them in a remainders bin. [22:10] A single item [22:11] SketchCow: alright, and add new incomplete files to that same item later? [22:12] or just add an 'incomplete' item with new incomplete stuff now and then? [22:13] Right [22:14] Just keep pumping it up [22:14] I mean, if you feel a need of it needing to be saved. [22:14] Just to have a record [22:23] well, that was the intention [22:23] it's very possible that no complete copy of a certain liveset will ever exist [22:23] publicly available, that is [22:23] so then half a copy is better than 0 [22:26] aye [23:15] so i have to redo hackaday 2012 urls [23:15] i'm doing it by month from 2012 on