[00:55] http://treesheets.com/ / https://github.com/aardappel/treesheets/ [00:55] treesheets is now open-source :) [00:58] cool [01:15] woot [01:15] very cool indeed [01:15] do have to say that I'm noticing some performance issues with the latest version, though... [01:16] which is odd, I've never had any kind of performance issues with TS whatsoever [01:16] it happily ran on a Pentium 3 with 384MB RAM... [01:16] at effectively full speed [01:18] this is pretty cool http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0/posts/553226 [02:25] is there any public collection of "scene" releases? [02:28] like, I remember a Centropy intro on this release, that I downloaded via IRC back in the day, and it took like an entire day to get it [02:28] 2002-05-03 22:00:00 SVCD Spiderman.SVCD.TS-Centropy [02:29] I suppose mostly here are familiar with #pre and stuff [02:30] think orly.db, but with the actual files [02:31] you know, someday, generations after us, Mickey will be free [02:31] maybe [02:32] do you think that the NSA guys reading this would mind this conversation? [02:37] in another note, this: http://www.kempa.com/2004/03/09/vinyl-data/ [02:38] I tought about it the other day, look it up, and surely someone did it [03:05] http://www.headen.com/XL1.htm [03:05] *I thought about, looked it up and sure enough, someone had done it [06:12] http://gigaom.com/2013/07/29/apple-workers-file-lawsuit-for-lost-wages-due-to-bag-searches/ [06:15] you'd think Apple would be more efficient at it, given how much they plug Spotlight [06:15] no command+space for bag search I guess [06:19] Who would want to work a company that clearly does not trust employees. [06:20] I wonder when the bag check policy started [06:24] the complaint makes a reference to six years before it was filed [06:24] that's not a direct indication that it's six years old, though [06:28] I understand (to a point) the package and bag search, but that doesn't excuse the shittiness or inhumanity of the policy, in my mind [06:28] that said, I've never worked a retail job, and I'm always shocked when I read about policies that are common in that sector [06:28] There are better solutions to this kind of issue [06:30] I was going to say trust works, then I realized Apple is on the West Coast [06:30] and the plaintiffs are also coastal [06:30] and the main problem with coastal Americans is that they are universally fucking insane [06:53] joepie91, you'll love this http://missingm.co/2013/07/identical-droplets-in-the-digitalocean-regenerate-your-ubuntu-ssh-host-keys-now/ [07:38] hmmm [07:39] when i worked in retail, they had the right to search bags [07:39] no arguments there [07:39] as for 30 min unpaid, I ended up waiting 15min unpaid most shifts while they locked up [07:40] Didn't want it searching? Don't take it in. [07:47] while it sucked..... not much I could say [07:48] So it's illegal to check an employees bag there? Or it's illegal due to the 30 min wait? (Which is actually 5-15 if you read the articles?) [08:07] omf_: lol so their image generation wasn't generating new keys, nice [08:07] it makes me wonder how many people didn't notice. [08:08] I have a script that switches the keys on any cloud hosting provider the first time I use it. Unless you install the image yourself, shit is untrust worthy [08:09] ovh, linode, and DO have all had security shit in the last year [08:09] How fucking hard is it to be a butt provider. AWS and Joyent seem to get it right [08:10] Maybe they need a Sir Mix-a-lot record [08:11] DO's isn't so bad, if it's just the one above. [08:11] That's just a silly mistake or someone not understanding what they are doing when creating a new image. [08:11] OVH and Linode's were big fuckups iirc [08:12] DO was rumored to have a hole in their admin interface at one point [08:13] no public stories to verify it [08:13] providers can compete on price but not really on security [08:13] plus no consequences for fucking it up! yay [08:13] Don't get me wrong, I use DO all the time. I do not trusted to do massive web data crunching. I am going to release what I learn as CC anyway [08:14] I just need discrete computing that is functional while I use it [08:14] I built a PCI compliant system a few years ago and that was on dedicated hardware the company hosted locally [08:15] For what I am paying I am fine with how it works [08:39] PCI Compliance is a load of BS too tho [08:39] * SmileyG knows from building out Credit Card platforms here. [08:41] It's agood starting point, but just because you are PCI-DSS compliant means you in no way secure. [08:46] Did an external auditor check your compliance? [08:46] I had to and they were brutal [09:06] yes [09:06] ours was an idiot [09:06] he'd say one thing, then reverse it when it fixed it [09:06] then we tried to phone him and he's in iran or something crazy. [09:12] the dude I got knew what the fuck was going on [09:12] I learned a few things during that process [09:13] Just imagine if they were all good at their job [09:14] thats the problem is there are very few great security experts and a bunch of lucky security people [09:14] lucky as in no one attacked their system before [09:17] Aye [09:17] I'm good, but I have no clue where to start _after_ an incident. [09:17] I'm open and honest about that though. [09:17] I'm not a DR guy. [09:18] I think of Disaster recovery and security breaches different [09:18] Oh yeah they are [09:18] but as theres only 3 of us here.... we end up doing everything [09:18] oh fuck the power went out! means get shit back online [09:18] security breach? disconnect all the things [09:19] :D [09:19] I just found an audio cd I have that has a fucking starbucks logo on it :( [09:19] D: [09:19] one of the free ones from teh stores? did they ever give away CD's? or just free downloads? [09:20] No it is a jazz cd I bought used a few years back [09:20] To think a coffee company is important enough to stick their shit on other people's work [09:20] they underpay the farmers [09:21] they underpay their taxes [09:27] I just found out the company that my mother has been buying linens from for 20+ years just went out of business after being open for 216 years [09:27] 126 years [09:28] I mean damn [09:29] they got outsourced [09:48] :/ [12:16] that is taking the search index so long? [12:24] i sort of decide to start uploading all formats of the labrats podcast [12:29] omf_: surprise! [12:29] re: DO [12:32] joepie91: Hey... [12:32] joepie91: Just an interesting topic: I have tweeted about a course in a school on my Twitter account, but here is the link... Just cool: http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~redwood/OffensiveSecurity/ [12:33] Started reading slides, very valuable [12:33] bookmarked [13:08] SketchCow: another twit network collection: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22science-news-weekly%22 [13:28] ... impressive. [13:28] Downloaded: 278 files, 46M in 6.8s (6.84 MB/s) [13:28] I just wget-warc'd a site. [13:32] hey uh, SketchCow, seeing as I was raided not too long ago I don't currently have access to my archive.org account [13:32] nor do I have access to the e-mail address it was registered on [13:32] (because keepass) [13:32] how would I go about regaining access to it? [13:34] raided? [13:36] norbert79: he's naughty [13:36] Yeah, I was aware, but this naughty? [13:36] :) [13:37] This page contains all the lecture Lecture Slides and youtube videos for the Spring 2013 semester of this course. << this I like. [13:37] SmileyG: Indeed, started reading, it demonstrates experience and skills indeed [13:37] norbert79: I'm surprised you didn't hear [13:37] was raided by Dutch authorities as a "witness", raid ordered by FBI [13:38] hardware taken [13:38] I haven't yet, but will be interesting. [13:38] fun [13:38] they raid witnesses? [13:38] apparently so, yes. [13:38] joepie91: Yeah, sometimes it slipped by me... [13:38] Nice country you have there. [13:38] heh [13:38] SmileyG: that was my thoughty, pretty much. [13:38] thought, even [13:38] also, uploaded: https://archive.org/details/traindriver-warc [13:39] See my country might suck in ways [13:39] but I've not heard of us raiding anyone as witnesses yet. [13:39] Me neither [13:39] Also, you can't force a witness, can you? [13:39] So them raiding you simply makes you want to go "Nope, saw nothing, sorry" and all the evidence is unusable? [13:40] SmileyG: not quite [13:40] images of my hard drives etc. will be made, and sent off to the FBI [13:40] for use in their investigation [13:40] Hmmm [13:40] So they do have uncoopertive witnesses. [13:40] seems so, yes. [13:40] then again here, they can't raid you unless your a suspect. [13:41] So yeah, nice laws. [13:41] welcome to NL [13:41] :) [13:41] the free country that isn't as free as non-Dutch people tend to believe [13:41] I don't believe anywhere is free, unless you live on a mountain, or in a desert. [13:41] like _really_ off the grid. [13:42] Shameful I say [13:56] I think i can reasonably deduct from today that I am absolutely shit at Guitar Hero [13:57] Now, to prove that deduction, SCREAM AIM FIRE [14:07] i'm starting to upload Dr. Kiki's Science Hour [14:08] since it was canned in mid 2012 [14:08] also no hd videos so i will not have to decide if i'm going to do the hd versions [14:09] also episode 25 video is broken so its no being upload [14:09] maybe odtv has a copy [14:09] still more, than nothing [14:12] we may get all video of dr. kiki's sicence hour video [14:12] i say that cause it started in 2009 and the odtv videos are still ether [14:18] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/Dr_Kiki_Science_Hour_24 [14:29] i just noticed something very old [14:29] archive.org doesn't derive everything [14:30] i uploaded divx, wmv, m4v, and mov to one of my labrats items earlier [14:30] the original derived item was divx [14:31] now it looks like it will only derived the m4v file [14:31] if they're all the same filename except for the extension I think it messes it up [14:31] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/Dr_Kiki_Science_Hour_26 [14:32] ok [14:32] since all the derivatives would have the same name [14:32] ok [14:33] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/Dr_Kiki_Science_Hour_27 [17:22] if anyone missed: http://swartz-report.mit.edu/docs/report-to-the-president.pdf [17:49] winr4r: you now need to thank me for grabbing pouet.net on twqitter too [17:50] that was you right? [18:31] eh, relevant [18:31] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/30/the-free-web-program-that-got-bradley-manning-convicted-of-computer-fraud/ [18:31] not loading without script, [18:31] so what is the program joepie91 ? [18:31] wget [18:32] ^ [18:32] D: [18:32] it says it in the article [18:32] joepie91: ^^ [18:32] doesn't load without script [18:32] How does using wget qualify as computer fraud? U.S. prosecutors pointed out that wget was not on the list of Ã¢??approvedÃ¢?ï¿½ programs for use in facility where Manning worked. They argued that, although Manning was allowed to access the files, using an unauthorized program to do it amounted to a digital Ã¢??trespassÃ¢?ï¿½ and thus computer fraud. They also used the fact that wget was not permitted on ManningÃ¢??s computer [18:32] as further evidence that using it amounted to illegal computer access. [18:32] fuck that for a start. [18:32] Oh so it wasn't wget as such [18:32] it was the fact there was a unauthorized program [18:32] so stop spreading the fud and carry on. [18:33] it's more so the CFAA being broken as shit like usual [18:33] but it is still pretty lol [18:33] it is lol, except someone is in jail :/ [18:33] this article has some details on the technical confusion in the court http://indyreader.org/content/thoughts-attending-bradley-mannings-computer-crimes-trial [18:34] (3 pages) [18:34] SmileyG: you do realize that the same argument can be used in the case of archiving? [18:34] > But the government's argument is that use of wget was 'unauthorized' access, a criminal act under the CFAA because Manning was, to quote from their closing argument, "only allowed to view one document at a time using a web browser." [18:34] ^ my favorite part [18:34] ah it's like our computer act too [18:35] joepie91: yes, if your not allowed [18:35] "even if you can publicly access the site, it's only intended for browsers, and using wget-warc would be trespassing because it's not authorized to be there" [18:35] joepie91: if they fail to robots.txt, fuck em [18:35] SmileyG: which means the argument can still be used against -e robots=off [18:35] of course it can [18:35] you scared yet? [18:36] pretty similar to what weev got convicted for. i mean there are reasons he should be in jail but not wget :p [18:36] I only got a while into the report before I got angry [18:36] AMERICA< FUCK YEAH [18:36] when will you fucking rise up [18:37] how much shit needs to happen before it all explodes? [18:37] I'm already rising up, sir. [18:38] I've put terabytes of vintage software up. [18:38] Terabytes. [18:38] SketchCow: not aimed at you in the slightest. [18:38] i just get so fucked off with americans and their "freedom" [18:38] yeah right [18:39] surprisingly, people are getting angry about NSA spying recenly. enough to scare congress. [18:39] not sure how that happened, but maybe it will spill over? [18:39] .... they are? [18:39] last I checked not much has really happened [18:39] until the next time [18:40] how are those protests on wall street going? [18:40] HOw is iraq looking? [18:40] How you doing in afaganistan? [18:40] congress had a vote to remove funding from one of the NSA programs. it almost passed. [18:40] how is libia? [18:40] what, we forgot all of those? [18:40] Almost passed... [18:40] seriously [18:40] that means a lot of congress critters are unhappy with the program in general [18:40] the country is in all out uproar [18:40] and a thing "almost" passes. [18:41] it will get changed/ out in the open which is what should have happened. [18:41] SmileyG: honestly, that people are still talking about it is a small miracle, compared to previous events. [18:41] joepie91: shame we seem to have forgotton Aaron? [18:41] How about Mr Ecudorian Embassy? [18:42] funny how the media is almost controled to the point of not looking back [18:42] no one noticed aaron to begin with. [18:43] some people are still fighting over aaron. MIT is still fighting back [18:45] SmileyG: it's all very well to criticise america on this count, but bear in mind that GCHQ was found to have a tap on the fucking transatlantic cable *and nothing happened at all* [18:45] and that's arguably far worse than what we know the NSA are doing [18:46] so you know, we're not doing so great on that count [18:46] winr4r: I don't think we ever believed GCHQ wasn't monitoring us, and they haven't denied monitoring UK citizens either afaik? [18:46] at least google will encrypt my data (via SSL) before sending it over transatlantic cables. [18:46] They quite proud of the fact they can buffer 10 days of the data going in/out of the UK [18:46] right [18:47] then hand the NSA the plaintext from their servers. i think that's worse. [18:47] so america is worse because their spy agencies lie about what they do? [18:47] winr4r: yes? [18:47] hmmm [18:47] yes [18:47] and that merits you telling them to rise up, what are *you* doing right now? [18:47] * SmileyG continues to think [18:47] winr4r: I write nasty letters [18:47] that'll help [18:48] I don't see my country locking up people for using wget. [18:48] (yet) [18:48] winr4r: I'm not beliving I'm free. [18:48] no, we just go to jail for a different set of bullshit reasons [18:48] I'm not judging other countries while thinking mine is perfect. [18:48] winr4r: we do? [18:48] sources/ [18:48] ? [18:49] SmileyG: show me a single american who says their country is perfect and uses that to judge others [18:49] i mean [18:49] one will do [18:49] winr4r: lol oh god really? [18:49] winr4r: I have run across several in the time I've spent on IRC [18:49] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sarah_Palin_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg [18:49] and yeah [18:49] try any overly american chat [18:49] SmileyG: which is why sarah palin ran on a platform of doing absolutely nothing, right [18:49] tel them their country sucks [18:49] because everything was perfect already [18:50] you wanted one over the top american [18:50] you got one. [18:50] that isn't what i said [18:51] https://pinterest.com/courtgracehol/god-bless-merica/ [18:51] winr4r: I can't link you to people I chat to [18:51] but there is plenty on twitter if you want to find them [18:55] 300 million people [19:16] http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/162581-foc-us-the-first-commercial-tdcs-headset-that-lets-you-safely-overclock-your-brain [19:18] underscor: that seems like a terrible idea. [19:24] hahaha [19:49] inoreader + Minimal theme looks and works almost exactly like Reader [19:50] strangely you have to turn on an option to use the feed item timestamps instead of received timestamps [19:54] g4tv.com-video25859: IMPORTED TECH TV VIDEO - ss040607allofmp3_165_0.flv: http://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video25859 [19:55] a talk about allofmp3.com [20:06] underscor: I can't wait for people to start becoming addicted to that [20:07] GOTTA HAVE MY MORNING FOC.US [20:07] question for peoples here [20:07] machine-readable dataset with timetable and/or tariff information for public transit in the UK [20:07] where get, aside from travelinedata? [20:09] wb winr4r [20:09] let me repaste, perhaps you know the answer [20:09] machine-readable dataset with timetable and/or tariff information for public transit in the UK [20:09] question for peoples here [20:09] where get, aside from travelinedata? [20:09] some osm guys might know [20:09] where can I find said guys? [20:09] if jgc is from the uk he built some clock with transit stuff, might be US though [20:09] There are a few such things for UK rail services, I think I'm right in saying [20:10] oftc #osm [20:10] buses are more complex and fuzzy [20:10] Schbirid: thanks [20:10] also try Ã¶pnvkarte.de [20:10] antomatic: yeah, trains seems pretty much covered by traveline [20:10] buses are a mess [20:10] too many companies [20:10] osm.org has a transport map too [20:10] layer chooser on the right [20:11] joepie91: thaaanks [20:11] and nope, no idea [20:11] data.gov.uk has some nuts and bolts, search 'network rail' for example [20:11] I'm trying to remember what the full tariff/routing dataset is called.. I've seen it somewhere [20:11] for context, I am researching the feasability of building a universal public transit planner for the UK, much like 9292ov.nl for the Netherlands [20:11] It's a hideous big old 70s style ascii file [20:12] because wtf why is there no sane public transit planner in the UK [20:12] antomatic: I think I ran across that [20:12] datahib.io/dataset/uk-rail-timetables is a derivative of that, i think [20:12] that's only for rail though, right? [20:12] datahub that should be, not hib [20:12] only rail, true [20:14] Traveline is the main aggregator but it's still pretty disconnected [20:14] One of the bigger 'bus route' iOS applications uses it [20:14] too [20:15] :P [20:15] traveline is very obviously incomplete [20:15] tried to figure out how to get from central London to Thorpe park [20:15] nope.avi [20:15] I can't recall if Traveline was the one that just didn't know about the shuttle [20:15] or the one that didn't tell me how much it'd cost [20:16] oh [20:16] do you want to know because you want to know, or because you're using that as a test case? [20:17] I was thinking about this the other day - even in my own city, there's not really anything that REALLY encompasses the knowledge of how to get from A to B - even the obvious detail of 'which bus stops will this bus call at', etc? [20:17] Virtually considered grabbing a GPS and just mapping it all out myself by brute force. :) [20:17] but eventually the mania subsides. :) [20:17] antomatic: dooo it if it is not on http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.5&lon=6.6&zoom=5&layers=T already [20:18] OSM is fucking awesome [20:18] journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk is a big one for London, of course, although it doesn't give you much in the way of data [20:18] antomatic: oh theres plenty for me. [20:19] i can't recall which site, might be travelline [20:19] but it covers everything pretty well here [20:23] OSM has certainly gotten a lot more pleasant to use [20:23] do you want to know because you want to know, or because you're using that as a test case? [20:23] test case [20:23] I already know the costs [20:23] I pretty much figured it out through brute force [20:23] 20 tabs worth of timetables, tariff pages, and bus line details [20:23] haven't looked at osm recently ... not at all bad! [20:24] antomatic: it's amazing [20:24] osm really is mostly the data [20:24] dont judge it by its website [20:24] but check out all the services other people build with it [20:26] Schbirid: I actually like how OSM works now more than how Google Maps works [20:26] oh me too, even if i disagree with some of the latest gui poop :D [20:26] btw you can zoom by holding shift and drawing a rectangle! [20:26] and http://map.project-osrm.org/ is a kickass router [20:35] yipdw: :D