#archiveteam-bs 2013-08-24,Sat

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01:03 🔗 omf_ Here is a funny story
01:04 🔗 omf_ just happened
01:04 🔗 omf_ My normal cell phone battery is dead so I used this backup prepaid I keep as a spare when traveling
01:04 🔗 omf_ I call to order a pizza and they couldn't get a caller ID on the phone so they refused to take my order
01:04 🔗 omf_ wtf is that
01:08 🔗 DFJustin too many pranksters calling through anonymous services I guess
02:38 🔗 godane i'm uploading the recordkeeping roundtable podcast
02:38 🔗 godane cause i can't find it on archive.org
02:44 🔗 godane here it is: https://archive.org/details/recordkeeping-roundtable-220611
02:45 🔗 godane SketchCow: you can make the link above better if you want
03:49 🔗 godane SketchCow: you should work on a geocities documentary
04:38 🔗 godane theguardian.com world articles are starting to get uploaded
04:39 🔗 godane i got articles from 1990 to 1999-05 of world articles uploaded so far
06:17 🔗 godane uploaded: https://archive.org/details/Judicial-Watch-Obtains-Defense-Department-Teaching-Documents-Suggests-Extremists-to-Mainstream-Conse
07:43 🔗 omf_ So autodesk has confirmed they are going to the software rental model that Adobe is using now
07:44 🔗 omf_ Another company I have lost all respect for and plan to never use their products again
07:50 🔗 omf_ Then again the open source community has yet to produce a viable alternative to photoshop's mid to upper level professional features like responsive matte painting
07:51 🔗 omf_ the counter point to that for autodesk though is Blender does have the majority of features that maya has and has proven to be a viable crossplatform replacement
08:05 🔗 yipdw omf_: the counter-counter point to that is inertia in studio workflows
08:05 🔗 omf_ true but the new subscription services cost more and the online versions are not as feature complete yet
08:06 🔗 omf_ Paying more and getting less tends to piss people off
08:06 🔗 yipdw in Adobe's case, the online versions are equivalent
08:06 🔗 yipdw at least for Creative Cloud
08:06 🔗 yipdw BUT
08:06 🔗 yipdw I've a few friends at motion graphics studios in town, and they aren't fans of the change either
08:06 🔗 yipdw the studio is going along with it, because investigating new tools and working it into their pipeline is a huge unknown cost
08:07 🔗 yipdw whether or not that's a good long-term solution...who knows
08:08 🔗 yipdw there is one interesting effect, which is that if you want their tools for short-term projects, you can now get them at (what is initially) a reasonable cost
08:08 🔗 yipdw (by "their" I mean Adobe; I have every expectation that Autodesk will be bigger dicks)
08:10 🔗 omf_ There is one feature the CS cloud suite does not support. CUDA and variants for using the gpu to help out processing is not in the web versions because browsers currently do not have support for it.
08:10 🔗 yipdw I meant the rental model applied to the desktop versions
08:11 🔗 omf_ The next version of CS is cloud only
08:11 🔗 omf_ Sure many people will stick with older versions but that lasts only so long
08:11 🔗 yipdw they're going to lock-in storage etc, yeah
08:12 🔗 yipdw but the programs themselves aren't executing in a browser
08:12 🔗 yipdw unless Adobe completed some crazy reengineering
08:15 🔗 yipdw the proprietary file format they're using for e.g. Photoshop Creative Clown Edition is pretty funny
08:15 🔗 yipdw it effectively gives them total control over your work
08:15 🔗 yipdw I'm surprised there hasn't been more outrage on that, but I guess a demonstration of the effect is needed
08:16 🔗 yipdw I mean, sure, John Nack talks about "oh you can export" but I'm sure he knows that's disingenous as fuck, as nothing but Photoshop will actually handle all Photoshop features, especially stuff like adjustment layers
08:18 🔗 omf_ The current PSD format is fucking insane too
08:23 🔗 omf_ I hope the moves Adobe is making encourages more developers to work on an open source version
08:26 🔗 yipdw omf_: if CC is really that bad, I think what you'll see is people sticking with CS6 and a cottage industry of CS6 plugins to do what the new CC versions are doing
08:27 🔗 yipdw they might not have the same level of UI integration, but hey, it worked for KPT for a while
08:27 🔗 omf_ We do have gegl and vips now but neither is as fast as Photoshop for larger than ram operations
08:27 🔗 omf_ yipdw, I have seen this some already. Adobe still has CS2 full published for free on their websites and many are just falling back to it
08:28 🔗 omf_ a lot of the popular plugin kits work on CS2-6
08:29 🔗 yipdw they do -- the breaking point is probably going to be some killer UI feature that cannot be pluginized
08:29 🔗 yipdw real-time canvas rotation in CS5(?) for example is massive
08:29 🔗 yipdw for digital painting
08:31 🔗 yipdw but, oh well
08:31 🔗 yipdw benefit: if Adobe and Autodesk end up really fucking their customers, at least the free software types can go "I told you so"
08:32 🔗 omf_ I think the clown storage and new format are enough for the I told you so
08:32 🔗 yipdw it isn't yet
08:32 🔗 omf_ How many other programs does shit like that break
08:32 🔗 yipdw I'm not sure how many workflows it breaks
08:32 🔗 omf_ Adobe is fucking every program that is designed to work with them
08:33 🔗 yipdw but I do think that Adobe will at least make sure that e.g. import of Flash movies into AE will still work
08:34 🔗 yipdw interchange between Adobe -> non-Adobe programs is of course done many places, but I wonder how many people do that and do not have the funding to get something working
08:35 🔗 yipdw oh yeah, also stuff like live update between AE and Premiere Pro
08:35 🔗 yipdw I expect they'll make sure that works, since they marketed it pretty heavily when that came out
08:35 🔗 yipdw and I'm sure Adobe will announce some sort of Premier Partner Program
08:35 🔗 yipdw what's old is new, etc.
08:36 🔗 yipdw I guess what I'm getting at is that Creative Cloud turns the temperature up pretty high but I really don't think it's high enough
08:37 🔗 yipdw but hey, who knows
08:37 🔗 yipdw IMO, the only truly unique products Adobe has are AE and Photoshop
08:37 🔗 yipdw so the task of replacing them is made a bit smaller
08:38 🔗 yipdw oh
08:38 🔗 yipdw InDesign, too
08:38 🔗 omf_ What is a good Illustrator alternative? inkscape still locks up on large files
08:38 🔗 omf_ I still use photoshop and illustrator
08:39 🔗 yipdw hmm
08:39 🔗 yipdw I guess I also forgot about AI
08:39 🔗 yipdw ok, never mind, replacing them is going to be a pain in the ass
08:39 🔗 omf_ it really doesn't change that much with new versions cause they figured most of it out already
08:41 🔗 omf_ I will always give Adobe mad props for Illustrator
08:42 🔗 omf_ Premiere already has better alternatives in Lightworks, Final Cut Pro (prior to the X version) and Avid.
08:42 🔗 omf_ After Effects can easily be replaced by Houdini or Nuke
08:42 🔗 omf_ both of which are cross platform already
08:42 🔗 yipdw Nuke isn't really the same thing as AE
08:43 🔗 yipdw I mean, yes, they're both compositors, but the workflow is very different
08:44 🔗 yipdw AE's timeline approach is (from my observations) much more popular in the motion graphics crowd than Nuke's node-based approach
08:44 🔗 yipdw they're both useful, but different domains
08:44 🔗 yipdw which makes AE in combination with e.g. Cinema 4D a tool not just for compositing but also for animation
08:44 🔗 yipdw Houdini, AFAIK, is also node-based
08:46 🔗 yipdw the timeline approach definitely has one big advantage when you're working with operations that deal explicitly with time, not just dataflow
08:46 🔗 yipdw for example, motion tracking
08:47 🔗 yipdw you can do that in a node-based approach, sure, but having it as part of the project timeline has real advantages
08:47 🔗 yipdw e.g. you can scrub across the timeline, manually set track targets at frame N, see how it plays with the rest of the composition there
09:14 🔗 ivan` http://www.ebay.com/itm/Prototype-Hardware-from-Lockheed-Martin-Surveillance-Project-/221272094476? these images will be down any second now
09:16 🔗 ivan` well, archive.is has them, so I guess not :)
09:25 🔗 godane http://blog.modernmechanix.com/
09:25 🔗 godane that one looks interesting
09:42 🔗 xmc in my personal warc repository
09:42 🔗 xmc ivan`: I have it warc'd up now
17:10 🔗 qwebirc12 For DFJustin and anyone else who was interested in getting their data + metadat off Flickr (or just backing it all up) -- check out Trovebox https://trovebox.com/
17:10 🔗 qwebirc12 Open source way to back up your images from multiple providers (including Instagram and Facebook too(
17:10 🔗 qwebirc12 Can save data and images to S3 bucket or -- get this -- the Internet Archive. :-)
17:12 🔗 dashcloud from the discussion earlier about Adobe products: here's a thread from cgsociety on alternative to Adobe products- http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=1107365
17:13 🔗 dashcloud if you're looking to do digital painting, also remember Krita
17:24 🔗 omf_ Krita has the same slowdown problems and it is easily reproducible. Create a 300,000x300,000 pixel image at 32bit color depth. Select a brush and magnify its size by 2x or higher. Then try to draw on the canvas. You will see that the drawing on the canvas lagging behind the cursor. Now I fire up photoshop on the same machine and do the same thing and it does not fail at updating the screen correctly. The larger the image, more la
17:24 🔗 omf_ yers, etc... the longer the lag becomes
17:30 🔗 omf_ gimp 2.8+ warns you that the image is too large for RAM as soon as you try to create the image
17:40 🔗 omf_ you can still create it but you will see an immediate slowdown of the whole system, it happens on my quad core with 16gb of RAM and nothing else running.
17:47 🔗 SketchCow omf_: Moved most of your uploads out of opensource.
17:48 🔗 SketchCow A few left. Most not.
17:48 🔗 omf_ I still had stuff left in there? My bad
19:21 🔗 godane SketchCow: did you see that podcast talk of you at record keeping that i uploaded?
19:55 🔗 godane so i'm up to may 2000 with my world articles of theguardian.com
19:56 🔗 omf_ My current upload count is 1.7tb
20:11 🔗 DFJustin looks like the archive.org storage option at trovebox is currently not available while they iron out some issues
20:11 🔗 DFJustin but thanks looks like they do have a proper flickr import, unlike 500px
21:21 🔗 godane looks like IA is down
21:21 🔗 godane i think s3 is still working
21:21 🔗 Baljem was out drinking earlier with (one of?) the server admins for http://www.bailii.org/ - he mentioned their "in event of having to close for legal reasons, dump everything into a torrent and hope someone picks it up" plan.
21:21 🔗 Baljem I think I convinced him to add IA to that plan, should something along those lines happen
21:22 🔗 Baljem thought I'd mention it just in case!
21:22 🔗 omf_ Even the s3stats page is off
21:25 🔗 godane i must be uploading too much
21:26 🔗 godane :P
21:26 🔗 * xmc waves meekly
21:26 🔗 xmc I tried to jam 25k things into the derive queue
21:27 🔗 xmc seems to be back@!
21:29 🔗 godane now i'm re-uploading episode 538 of tech news today :-/
21:29 🔗 godane i'm sadly will not be uploading hd episodes of tech news today
21:30 🔗 godane i leave that to Famicoman
21:33 🔗 godane also i may try to do a panic download of originaltrilogy.com forums
21:33 🔗 godane found out that the topic id do a redirect to the topic so it makes it easier to mirror
21:40 🔗 dashcloud In the upcoming week, I'll be adding more font CDs, and a "make your own screensaver" CD
21:42 🔗 godane i also got printmaster version 11 to upload
22:23 🔗 godane found something funny to day on jason scott twitter feed
22:27 🔗 godane it was that he goes to ShakeShack and i know pat and stu are always going there in NY
22:28 🔗 godane when there are there
22:33 🔗 xmc ok I need to step away from the IA derive queue window
22:42 🔗 godane Gilbert Taylor, Star Wars cinematographer, dies aged 99: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23808854

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