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00:22
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godane |
SketchCow: I'm up to episode 370 of tekzilla on IA |
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06:59
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godane |
So i'm going to be uploading EDN magazine |
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07:54
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GLaDOS |
http://devnull-as-a-service.com/ |
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07:59
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touya |
:) |
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07:59
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* |
touya signs up for an enterprise account |
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09:27
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www2 |
hi |
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09:30
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www2 |
i have a site for a emergency backup: Hives.nl |
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09:30
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www2 |
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftweakers.net%2Fnieuws%2F92306%2Fgerucht-telegraaf-stopt-met-hyves.html |
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10:47
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godane |
so here is my EDN Magazine collection i'm uploading: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22EDN+Magazine%3B%22 |
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11:10
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godane |
SketchCow: You have the full collection of tekzilla daily episodes |
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13:13
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ersi |
http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/timemachine2.png |
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13:34
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norbert79 |
Explosm.net rocks |
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14:01
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ersi |
for sure |
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16:26
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* |
phillipsj is still annoyed all the major browsers dropped gopher support. |
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17:02
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DFJustin |
yeah even firefox eventually succumbed |
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20:45
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phillipsj |
I was thinking I should archive all the paper I have access to on microfiche: hopefully it will last until the copyright expires.... |
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21:55
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balrog |
phillipsj: just upload it to IA and have them black it out if it's touchy |
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22:10
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phillipsj |
Found this link on the "fire drill" page: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Internet_Archive |
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22:11
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phillipsj |
Microfiche will last longer than 11,000 spinning disks. |
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22:11
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phillipsj |
(though there is the ease of copying to consider) |
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22:30
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yipdw |
I'd like to see how much ten petabytes weighs in microfiche |
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22:31
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odie5533 |
How high of quality is microfiche theoretically? |
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22:33
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odie5533 |
http://pic.templetons.com/brad/photo/pixels.html says that 35mm has 20 million pixels. I assume microfiche is a lot lower than that. |
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22:39
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phillipsj |
No, microfiche has higher resolution because it is Black & While. The resolution is limited by diffraction as far as I can tell. |
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22:39
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odie5533 |
Is microfiche all black & white? |
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22:39
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odie5533 |
I thought there was color too |
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22:39
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xmc |
microcard can have color |
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22:39
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phillipsj |
A 6x4 card stores 260 pages |
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22:39
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xmc |
microfiche is always b+w |
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22:40
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odie5533 |
ah. I think people mislabel microcard as microfiche then |
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22:40
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xmc |
yeah |
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22:40
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odie5533 |
because I've seen old comic scans labeled microfiche and they were color |
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22:40
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xmc |
microcard is white reflective media |
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22:40
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xmc |
microfiche is tranmissive film |
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22:40
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DFJustin |
http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_191964.pdf |
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22:41
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DFJustin |
"y using |
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22:41
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DFJustin |
in UUencode, and 45.32MB coded as Paperback 2D barcode. |
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22:41
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DFJustin |
these numbers a single microfilm can store 6.32MB coded in Base64, 4.92MB coded |
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22:41
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odie5533 |
wiki says, "Color microform is extremely expensive, thus discouraging most libraries supplying color films." but perhaps wikipedia is mistaken as well |
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22:42
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xmc |
ocr|uudecode sounds very fragile |
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22:42
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odie5533 |
ah, sorry, "microform" seems to be a catchall actually. |
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22:42
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xmc |
right, microform is everything tiny |
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22:42
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xmc |
I think the problem is you need perfect color registration |
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22:42
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DFJustin |
yeah the paper results for ocr decoding are terrible |
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22:42
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DFJustin |
barcoding works if you add enough redundancy bits |
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22:43
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DFJustin |
but lol would you need a lot for a petabyte |
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22:43
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odie5533 |
to store binary data. but it might store b/w photos nicely |
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22:44
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phillipsj |
It took me a while to figure out haw QR codes can still work with a logo shoved in the middle :) |
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22:44
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phillipsj |
*how |
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22:45
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DFJustin |
this is probably your best bet for longevity but price could be an issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-Rosetta |
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22:46
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odie5533 |
speaking of longevity of data, I've not seen any good way to perfectly copy or archive a CD |
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22:47
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DFJustin |
nope it's still a mess |
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22:47
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M1das |
wallpaintings |
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22:48
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M1das |
after 250.000 years they still find them. |
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22:48
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odie5533 |
M1das: you get cub scout groups that come and clean grafitti off the walls. |
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22:48
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M1das |
they do that? only thing they do here is fall out of trees and sell meth |
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22:48
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M1das |
s/meth/chocolatebars |
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22:49
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DFJustin |
the more famous wall paintings are rapidly deteriorating due to moisture and fungus from visitors |
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22:50
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odie5533 |
M1das: or the case of the elgin marbles |
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22:50
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M1das |
what about putting the entire archive in ascii and sending it to twitter? |
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22:51
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M1das |
140 chars at a time |
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22:51
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phillipsj |
is twitter archived? |
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22:51
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* |
phillipsj senses some kind of feedback loop |
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22:52
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M1das |
dont think they remove tweets after x-years |
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22:52
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M1das |
after sending the entire IA to twitter, they might tho |
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22:52
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ivan` |
the Library of Congress has every tweet |
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22:52
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phillipsj |
And the NSA's new data-center. |
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22:53
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mistym |
Very poor bandwidth that way thoguh |
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22:53
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M1das |
5 zettabyte baby! |
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22:53
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M1das |
dont really know why it's awesome, they dont specify what kind of storage it is |
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22:54
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M1das |
5 ZB on tape is alot cheaper and easier to store than 5ZB of SSD's |
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22:54
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DFJustin |
twitter allows unicode so that would give you a lot better density |
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22:54
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phillipsj |
Probably involves a few tape robots |
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22:54
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M1das |
most likely yeah |
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22:54
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M1das |
100TB taperobots are faily cheap tho |
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22:55
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M1das |
if its not a robot the accesstime will suck bigtime. |
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22:58
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M1das |
if the NSA bought these guys they could store alot more |
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22:58
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M1das |
http://www.spectralogic.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.displayContent&catID=1990 |
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22:58
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M1das |
up to 3.7 exabyte |