#archiveteam-bs 2013-12-04,Wed

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06:49 🔗 arkiver godane: downloading http://www.r2.co.nz/
06:49 🔗 arkiver :P)
06:49 🔗 arkiver :)*
06:55 🔗 godane good luck with that
07:01 🔗 arkiver thank, you please don't download from the site right.
07:01 🔗 arkiver now*
07:01 🔗 arkiver it could become even slower
07:01 🔗 arkiver will let you know about my progress... :P
07:02 🔗 godane based on what i can tell i can download 10 videos at 30kbytes
07:03 🔗 godane so its limited per a download thread or something
13:41 🔗 joepie91 what's this 1000-year m-disc stuff?
13:42 🔗 arkiver !a https://accounts.eamythic.com/
13:44 🔗 arkiver oops
13:44 🔗 arkiver sorry
13:47 🔗 BiggieJon joepie91: the ones made our of some rock ?
13:48 🔗 joepie91 BiggieJon: moment, I've run into two stores selling it now
13:48 🔗 joepie91 let me dig up a link
13:49 🔗 joepie91 BiggieJon: http://opussupplies.m11.mailplus.nl/genericservice/code/servlet/React?encId=StNCvHjFK9JGcFP&actId=31185438&command=openhtml
13:49 🔗 joepie91 scroll down about halfway
13:49 🔗 joepie91 the graph
13:49 🔗 joepie91 it's being floated as a 'consumer archiving' method
13:49 🔗 joepie91 saying "up to 100 yrs lifespan"
13:49 🔗 joepie91 1000
13:49 🔗 joepie91 er
13:49 🔗 joepie91 http://www.mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc/
13:49 🔗 joepie91 hm, yes
13:50 🔗 joepie91 seems made out of rock? idk
13:50 🔗 joepie91 it's suspiciously cheap
13:50 🔗 joepie91 so I'm very very skeptical
13:51 🔗 godane the idea of using some rock-like metal to burn the disk does sound like a better idea then dyes
13:52 🔗 joepie91 here: http://www.databyteshop.nl/shop/detail.asp?bron=main&Product_rg=%7B87DD09CE-C78E-4C9E-93AD-1D9360BDA6F7%7D
13:52 🔗 joepie91 14,45 euro for an M-DISC burner?
13:52 🔗 joepie91 wtf?
14:20 🔗 BiggieJon seems a little low
14:26 🔗 joepie91 BiggieJon: yes, that's why i was wondering
14:27 🔗 joepie91 but I know that that store is a legitimate store (I've bought stuff there before)
14:27 🔗 m1das and in 10 years nobody makes the damn thing anymore
14:27 🔗 joepie91 and the opus price isn't too far off
14:27 🔗 joepie91 also
14:27 🔗 joepie91 http://tweakers.net/nieuws/92928/hyves-gaat-definitief-offline.html?showReaction=6595499#r_6595499
14:27 🔗 joepie91 translation: "I'm regretting deleting my account back then... otherwise I could've downloaded my own content now :'("
14:28 🔗 m1das cant save the trashbin
14:29 🔗 m1das joepie91: can you check your pm about the sql box?
14:32 🔗 joepie91 http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/article_b25c9a30-7242-11de-9feb-001cc4c03286.html
14:39 🔗 arkiver !ao https://twitter.com/warherald/
14:39 🔗 arkiver shit
14:39 🔗 arkiver again
14:39 🔗 arkiver srry
14:48 🔗 joepie91 acquihire of eBuddy by Booking.com
14:48 🔗 joepie91 err
14:48 🔗 joepie91 wrong channel
14:48 🔗 joepie91 acquihire of eBuddy by Booking.com
14:48 🔗 joepie91 argh
14:48 🔗 joepie91 WHYYYY
14:48 🔗 * joepie91 slaps self
14:49 🔗 BiggieJon sticky window problems today ?
14:54 🔗 joepie91 BiggieJon: just some misclicks
16:27 🔗 godane i'm upload twilight 24 cd set
16:28 🔗 arkiver :)
16:28 🔗 arkiver to the archive?
16:28 🔗 arkiver send me the page when finished
16:42 🔗 * joepie91 high-fives godane
16:43 🔗 joepie91 arkiver: he's been uploading quite a few twilights, actually
16:45 🔗 godane i also upload a lot of crazybytes cds too
17:04 🔗 Schbirid fuck, unison is so damn stupid. added a new directory on my usb stick, ran unison, it did not notice it. copied the dir manually, re-ran unison. now it noticed it as new dir on the stick and wants to transfer it
17:15 🔗 DFJustin yeah I used to use SyncToy but if you copy a directory, delete some files from the destination, then run it again, it doesn't notice that the files are missing, only new files from the source
17:16 🔗 DFJustin that's why I like freefilesync, you can do dead simple "is this file there or not" logic
17:16 🔗 Schbirid yeah
17:16 🔗 Schbirid i will play with that more
17:16 🔗 Schbirid how does it handle timestamp conflicts in general? does it always assume "new = better"?
17:17 🔗 DFJustin only thing I don't like is that it doesn't detect moves and renames unless you use a database
17:19 🔗 DFJustin I think it's just new = better, I mainly use it for one-way backup jobs
20:11 🔗 Schbirid wtf wget. --directory-prefix and -O do not work together?!
20:12 🔗 Schbirid "wget --directory-prefix=DIR --output-document=FILE google.com" downloads to ./FILE , not ./DIR/FILE
20:12 🔗 Schbirid is there any workaround short of mkdiring?
20:20 🔗 w0rp So I had an interesting moment at work today. I've been working on restoring information on some sites in years gone by, and we realised that some information was just gone from a database. We talked about various ways of figuring it out again, entering it based on old emails and so on, and then I realised. "Check Internet Archive." Sure enough, it was there, and we got it back by looking at a page on the Wayback Machine.
20:28 🔗 arkiver w0rp: that's reason why we do this archiving work... :D
20:28 🔗 joepie91 Schbirid: uh...
20:28 🔗 Schbirid i am mkdiring now
20:28 🔗 joepie91 I'm not sure why you expect it to work together?
20:28 🔗 joepie91 :p
20:28 🔗 joepie91 they are mutually exclusive features
20:28 🔗 Schbirid how that
20:28 🔗 joepie91 one is to say "hey, save whatever I find to this exact file path"
20:29 🔗 joepie91 one is to say "hey, make a file for every file I recursively encounter and drop them all in this directory path"
20:29 🔗 Schbirid the other is to say prefix this directory to all your file paths
20:29 🔗 joepie91 --output-document is what you'd use for a single file
20:29 🔗 joepie91 --directory-prefix is what you'd use for recursive
20:29 🔗 Schbirid if your use case, not in mine :P
20:30 🔗 joepie91 yes, but why would you have a --directory-prefix if you can also just specify the full path (including directory prefix) in --output-document?
20:30 🔗 Baljem w0rp: I had something vaguely similar when I got fed up waiting for Adaptec to fix their broken FTP server. suddenly realised I should check Wayback, and sure enough the drivers I needed were there :D
20:30 🔗 Schbirid because wget does not create directories
20:30 🔗 Schbirid if you set -O nonexistantdir/file
20:30 🔗 joepie91 Schbirid: creating directories doesn't seem to me to be the task of wget?
20:30 🔗 joepie91 like, at all
20:30 🔗 joepie91 I mean, that's pretty much the UNIX philosophy
20:30 🔗 joepie91 do one thing, and do it well
20:31 🔗 joepie91 wget does downloading and that's all it should really do
20:31 🔗 * Schbirid starts picking at joepie91's tree
20:31 🔗 joepie91 mkdir is for making dirs
20:31 🔗 joepie91 and I'd be surprised that --directory-prefix *does* make directories - it really shouldn't, other than *maybe* the very last path segment
20:31 🔗 Schbirid yeah, so why have --directory-prefix create that dir then? it should fail
20:31 🔗 Schbirid haha
20:31 🔗 joepie91 in the same way it creates a file
20:31 🔗 joepie91 but even that... err
20:31 🔗 joepie91 Schbirid: the problem is that you end up recreating functionality over and over again
20:32 🔗 Schbirid i get that but still, i dont get why -O overrides a simultaneous dir prefix
20:32 🔗 joepie91 what if you want to save it into a directory-prefix but want to set certain permissions? should we add a switch for that also? etc.
20:32 🔗 joepie91 Schbirid; simple; higher specificity
20:32 🔗 joepie91 (is that a word?)
20:32 🔗 joepie91 more specific options override less specific options
20:33 🔗 Schbirid we could argue what is more specific
20:33 🔗 joepie91 --directory-prefix is directory-level-specific, --output-document is file-level-specific
20:33 🔗 joepie91 files live in directories, thus --output-document is more specific
20:33 🔗 joepie91 :P
20:33 🔗 Schbirid i'll just say "you are right"
20:34 🔗 joepie91 Schbirid: if you don't think I'm right, either argue against it or don't cast a judgment on it at all... saying somebody is right when they're not (or when you think they're not), means nobody wins :P
20:34 🔗 joepie91 er
20:34 🔗 joepie91 don't... state? a judgment at all?
20:34 🔗 joepie91 not sure how to word that
20:34 🔗 joepie91 and I mean "wins" there in the "gain" sense, not in the "is right" sense
20:34 🔗 Schbirid this is the internet, we both win and are grumpy
20:35 🔗 joepie91 see above :P
20:35 🔗 Schbirid :D
20:35 🔗 joepie91 nobody has a benefit from you saying I'm right when you think I'm not
20:35 🔗 joepie91 neither me nor you nor anybody else in this channel who's probably going "wtf" at this discussion right now
20:35 🔗 joepie91 :D
20:36 🔗 Schbirid no one has a benefit of discussing this either so there is no point butting our heads any more
20:40 🔗 joepie91 apt observation :P
20:41 🔗 Laverne semi offtopic, but is anyone aware of a mod for squid that saves proxied pages into warc files?
20:41 🔗 ersi nothing is offtopic in the offtopic channel :)
20:41 🔗 Laverne :-)
20:42 🔗 Laverne i find myself trying to recall some search keywords from time to time just to recall a webpage I visited in the past
20:43 🔗 joepie91 ersi: archiving is!
20:44 🔗 joepie91 Laverne: could probably hack something up with warc-proxy or WarcProxy
20:44 🔗 joepie91 I always forget which is which
20:44 🔗 Laverne nice, thats written in python as well. :)
20:48 🔗 Schbirid i kinda want to record all my internet traffic
20:48 🔗 ersi joepie91: you're right
20:50 🔗 * joepie91 throws an arbitrary unpleasant type of food at ersi
20:50 🔗 joepie91 arbitary unpleasant, not arbitrarily unpleasant.
20:55 🔗 ersi joepie91: you're arbitrarily right
20:56 🔗 arkiver already downloaded 34 warc's sinds I started downloading warc's :D
20:56 🔗 arkiver will upload them tomorrow
21:00 🔗 arkiver :)
21:09 🔗 xmc only bad thing about WarcProxy is it doesn't work well with POSTs
21:09 🔗 xmc took me a little while to figure out wtf exactly was happening
22:54 🔗 Coderjoe huh
22:54 🔗 Coderjoe i missed this news
22:54 🔗 Coderjoe http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Internet-Archive-s-S-F-office-damaged-in-fire-4960703.php
22:54 🔗 Coderjoe I learned of it from a tweet from rick prelinger
22:54 🔗 ivan` hah, you must have been quite busy that day
22:55 🔗 Coderjoe (I was looking back at old tweets on my phone)

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