#archiveteam-bs 2014-02-27,Thu

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01:45 🔗 godane i'm updating the tekzilla collection
06:20 🔗 ivan` chfoo: I'm trying out wpull master and for some reason DOM snapshots aren't ending up in my .warc.gz (maybe I need another argument?)
06:20 🔗 ivan` also, when it finished grabbing a blogspot dynamic views blog,
06:20 🔗 ivan` ERROR Fatal exception.
06:20 🔗 ivan` Traceback (most recent call last):
06:20 🔗 ivan` AssertionError
06:20 🔗 ivan` File "/home/at/.local/lib/python3.3/site-packages/wpull/engine.py", line 178, in _process_input
06:20 🔗 ivan` assert url_item.is_processed
06:22 🔗 chfoo ivan`: are you talking about the very latest master? the one i pushed 22 minutes ago?
06:22 🔗 ivan` yep
06:23 🔗 ivan` chfoo: oh, sorry, it's there, I was incompetent with less
06:24 🔗 ivan` very cool that this finally exists
06:27 🔗 chfoo still has bugs though judging how i'm also getting assertion errors now
06:30 🔗 chfoo hmm, i tried it on a dynamic blog and scrolling the page at unrealistic rates seems to miss images
06:32 🔗 yipdw chfoo: unrealistically slow or fast?
06:32 🔗 yipdw I had a similar problem with poltergeist on patch.com
06:33 🔗 chfoo it sets the viewport scroll top value exponentially but only sends a page down event
06:33 🔗 chfoo ie, jump to 0px, 1000px, 2000px, 4000px etc
06:36 🔗 yipdw oh
06:36 🔗 yipdw there are some loader scripts that will only load what's in view
06:36 🔗 yipdw I wonder what phantomjs has for the browser viewport size
06:37 🔗 chfoo heh, i set mine to 1024x768
06:37 🔗 yipdw what happens if you set it to like
06:37 🔗 yipdw 1024x8000
06:37 🔗 yipdw or something with enough height to account for the maximum scroll step
06:38 🔗 yipdw like, if you cap out at +2000px per step, maybe a height of 2000px
06:40 🔗 ivan` chfoo: blogspot dynamic views may dynamically swap images in and out as you scroll
06:40 🔗 ivan` unless they changed that in the last year
06:40 🔗 ivan` also, they don't give the image a width= or height= so it causes very slow reflows
06:41 🔗 ivan` not my favorite piece of javascript
06:42 🔗 chfoo i tried it out with scrolling only by 1000px each time and it seem to load all the images except the last one. i'd likely make the defaults more conservative but provide more options for tweaking the values
06:44 🔗 ivan` not that this is helpful in any way but let me complain about blogspot some more
06:44 🔗 ivan` scroll down on http://thehamiltonproject.blogspot.com/?view=classic long enough and you get mysteriously redirected to http://e.4shared.com/linkerror.jsp?cau=del
06:44 🔗 ivan` they can't even keep their JavaScript from randomly redirecting to hrefs the user put somewhere
06:45 🔗 chfoo oh, lol
06:45 🔗 chfoo the page i'm testing is http://blog.bufferbox.com/
06:50 🔗 ivan` I also get 403 Forbidden when I POST to http://www.google.com/tools/feedback/submit?
06:50 🔗 ivan` I don't think Google wants any feedback :)
06:53 🔗 chfoo i was about to say the same
07:04 🔗 ivan` ah yes reported 5 months ago https://productforums.google.com/forum/?_escaped_fragment_=topic/blogger/tWhxy5WvYg4#!topic/blogger/tWhxy5WvYg4
07:04 🔗 ivan` the cause is a framebusting script on 4shared doing if(self!=top){top.location=self.location};
07:11 🔗 chfoo i'm going to keep in mind of the page.navigationLocked feature in phantomjs
10:56 🔗 joepie91 I sold my soul to the devil and bought a printer
10:57 🔗 BlueMaxim what would the warranty claim be on a Hell model printer
10:57 🔗 BlueMaxim "yeah hi my printer started spitting out horsemen of the apocalypse, can you send someone to fix it"
11:11 🔗 joepie91 BlueMaxim: hehe
11:12 🔗 joepie91 BlueMaxim: well, to be fair, it's a Canon all-in-one
11:12 🔗 joepie91 those are usually fairly trouble-free
11:12 🔗 joepie91 and so far it has worked pretty well, although the "experimental" label on the SANE backend driver wasn't a lie :P
11:12 🔗 joepie91 (it tends to get very confused when using the ADF scanner)
11:14 🔗 BlueMaxim those were words.
11:18 🔗 joepie91 BlueMaxim: most of them
11:19 🔗 joepie91 anyway, it was the cheapest model they had, showroom model, on clearance sale because the store is closing up shop
11:19 🔗 joepie91 so I'm not terribly concerned
11:19 🔗 joepie91 even if it turns out to be a disaster, I'm only 50 euro out
11:19 🔗 BlueMaxim not bad I guess.
11:26 🔗 joepie91 BlueMaxim: it's a decent price for having a scanner that isn't from the stone age
11:26 🔗 joepie91 even if every other part of it breaks
11:26 🔗 joepie91 though I kinda hope the printer keeps working, because that's what I bought it for lol
11:27 🔗 joepie91 so yeah, I can now also finally print labels instead of having to handwrite them
11:28 🔗 joepie91 (barcodes!)
12:27 🔗 ersi Printers are pretty cheap these days
12:27 🔗 ersi but the ink is usually horribly expensive
12:27 🔗 ersi Where's my open-hardware printer, damn it!
12:27 🔗 ersi and open-software printer
12:32 🔗 midas dell laser printer on groupon, 100 euro's
12:43 🔗 joepie91 ersi: the XL cartridges for this type are 18 euro
12:43 🔗 joepie91 supposedly "600 pages"
12:43 🔗 joepie91 lol
12:43 🔗 joepie91 so still a rip-off, but not as much of a rip-off as most others
12:56 🔗 ersi so that's like 1/3 of the printer for one cartridge
12:59 🔗 joepie91 ersi: ya
14:37 🔗 midas labelprinter ftw
14:37 🔗 midas without a labelprinter i would be fucked.
14:44 🔗 joepie91 midas: not a labelprinter
14:44 🔗 joepie91 just a regular inkjet
14:44 🔗 joepie91 the Action sells A4 label sheets :)
14:44 🔗 joepie91 that can be used in any inkjet printer, and I believe even in laser printers
14:44 🔗 joepie91 like 95 cents for 15 x 24 labels or some shit
14:50 🔗 midas hm, last time i tried to print labels in my laserprinter i got a bill of 950 euro's
14:50 🔗 midas so ill pass :p
14:54 🔗 joepie91 midas: wat, how
14:55 🔗 joepie91 "used for laser printers, inkjet printers en copiers" (lol translation fail)
14:55 🔗 midas stuck to the drum, got hot, melted against the phases
14:55 🔗 joepie91 on the packaging of these labels
14:55 🔗 joepie91 ... lol
14:55 🔗 midas phaser then started to burn away
14:55 🔗 midas yay for labels
14:56 🔗 joepie91 ha
14:56 🔗 joepie91 midas: but yeah, these explicitly list as being intended for laser printers and copiers too
14:56 🔗 joepie91 so these would probably be fine
15:13 🔗 midas not trying that again :P
15:13 🔗 midas have a dymo labelwriter now
15:28 🔗 sep332 ooh https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26361455 docs that Yanukovych dumped in the lake, are now drying in the presidential sauna
15:38 🔗 joepie91 "Unfortunately, there are issues with undesirable images within the data. It would appear that a surprising number of people use webcam conversations to show intimate parts of their body to the other person."
15:38 🔗 joepie91 - GCHQ, about intercepted Yahoo webcam conversations
15:39 🔗 joepie91 I don't think I'll finish laughing about this today
16:11 🔗 SadDM huh... http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/26/5449826/google-youtube-must-remove-innocence-of-muslims-video-in-copyright-suit
16:37 🔗 godane so looks like i will be able to download hulu videos now
16:42 🔗 godane trying to grab the videos of world news tonight from hulu since alot of videos disappear after 2011-03
16:52 🔗 godane i can tell you that the hulu rips will be alot better then what abc release at that time
16:52 🔗 godane cause at the time it was like they double the res and its 4:3
16:53 🔗 godane unlike hulu thats the proper 16:9
16:56 🔗 godane also i will be able to get subs for the files
17:18 🔗 godane so my plan is that the hulu rips will be a different collection of abc world news
17:18 🔗 godane cause my current collection comes from abcnews directly
17:19 🔗 godane also this way we can a more proper videos with subs for them
17:21 🔗 xmc ersi: damn. I want an open-source A3 sheetfeeder so bad.
17:33 🔗 joepie91 xmc: very yes.
17:33 🔗 joepie91 wouldn't mind a little larger either
17:33 🔗 xmc right
17:33 🔗 joepie91 since there seems to be a trend of having magazines that are _just_ over A4 size
17:33 🔗 xmc for my needs, wide enough to take the narrow edge of A3 or the wide edge of A4 would be sufficient
17:33 🔗 joepie91 per page
17:34 🔗 xmc another few cm couldn't hurt
17:34 🔗 * joepie91 won't comment on how that reads out of context
17:34 🔗 joepie91 but yeah, definitely need an open-source sheetfeeder :D
17:34 🔗 xmc conveniently in the US our standard paper (different from everyone else in the world #$@#%@#$) is about 1cm shorter than A4 on the long edge
17:34 🔗 joepie91 haha
17:35 🔗 joepie91 that's US standards for you
17:35 🔗 xmc not only do we measure everything in inches
17:35 🔗 xmc there are actually two differing definitions of an inch
17:35 🔗 xmc (a4 is 297mm, letterpaper is 279.4mm)
17:36 🔗 xmc you would not believe how hard it is to get a box of A4 paper here
17:37 🔗 xmc so the two different definitions of an "inch"
17:37 🔗 xmc 1) 25.4 mm (what everyone uses)
17:38 🔗 xmc 2) 100/3937 meter (25.4000508 mm) (used for surveying land)
17:39 🔗 xmc I hate many things about the US Customary System Of Units
17:40 🔗 xmc at least they redefined them in terms of exact fractional multiples of SI units
17:48 🔗 DFJustin don't even get me started (I write lumber inventory software for a living...)
17:49 🔗 xmc oh god
17:49 🔗 xmc I'm sorry
17:50 🔗 xmc the cool thing about lumber is it changes size in storage
17:50 🔗 xmc I have a friend who writes inventory mgmt software for food processing
17:51 🔗 xmc for example when you sell meat packed by weight, it has to weigh at least the label weight on the day of expiry
18:09 🔗 ivan` chfoo: today I discovered a website where you have to scroll *up* to get the content http://chat.urbit.org/
18:09 🔗 ivan` chfoo: one in a trillion, though
18:10 🔗 chfoo huh
18:11 🔗 chfoo i didn't even notice it update when i scrolled
18:29 🔗 xmc printer's not duplexing like it claims it should be able to
18:29 🔗 xmc grrr
18:29 🔗 xmc fcking hate printers
18:43 🔗 joepie91 xmc: ironically, I am having more issues with the thing I'm trying to send _to_ the printer
18:43 🔗 joepie91 than the printer itself
18:43 🔗 xmc hah
18:43 🔗 joepie91 I'm sure that qualifies for some kind of reward
18:43 🔗 joepie91 er
18:43 🔗 joepie91 award
18:43 🔗 joepie91 xmc: I'm trying to get ReportLab to draw me a grid
18:43 🔗 xmc what's reportlab?
18:44 🔗 joepie91 apparently topMargin=0 means that it has a few millimeters of margin at the top of the page
18:44 🔗 joepie91 wtf reportlab
18:44 🔗 joepie91 oh
18:44 🔗 joepie91 PDF generation lib
18:44 🔗 joepie91 for Python
18:44 🔗 xmc heh
18:44 🔗 xmc hm
18:44 🔗 joepie91 aside from it having horrid unpythonic syntax, it's also not doing what I want it to do
18:44 🔗 xmc right, it's margin in from the other margin which is itself in from the printer's edge-of-page
18:44 🔗 xmc natch
18:44 🔗 joepie91 lol
18:44 🔗 joepie91 xmc: I mean, does this look like 0 margin to you? http://owely.com/4MECIB
18:45 🔗 xmc nice
18:45 🔗 xmc yeah that looks legit
18:45 🔗 xmc it might be easier just to write plain postscript manually
18:45 🔗 joepie91 also, my printer margin is insanely small
18:45 🔗 xmc at this rate
18:45 🔗 joepie91 I measured it on almost 5mm
18:45 🔗 xmc that's kinda big imo
18:45 🔗 joepie91 perhaps printers finally evolved while I wasn't looking, but that is not what I remember from low-budget consumer printers
18:46 🔗 xmc big-to-average
18:46 🔗 xmc ah, yeah
18:46 🔗 joepie91 I'm more used to 1cm+ margins
18:46 🔗 joepie91 I mean, this thing cost me 50 euro
18:46 🔗 xmc you can usually print right to the edge by claiming that your paper is larger
18:46 🔗 joepie91 it's by no means an office or professional printer lol
18:46 🔗 xmc but that leaves toner on the drum which is kind of a no-no
18:46 🔗 joepie91 heh
18:46 🔗 joepie91 it's an inkjet
18:46 🔗 xmc o
18:46 🔗 xmc why would you do that to yourself
18:46 🔗 joepie91 I needed a cheap printer :P
18:47 🔗 joepie91 xmc: 50 euro was on the edge of my budget really
18:47 🔗 xmc I have a laser printer with duplexer that was like 65 euro
18:47 🔗 xmc but ok
18:48 🔗 xmc http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00450DVDY/ this one, it's gone up a bit, it has treated me well
18:48 🔗 xmc it has all the features I need: prints, duplexer, speaks normal network protocols, does not look awful
18:48 🔗 joepie91 right, that's over budget
18:49 🔗 * xmc nods
18:49 🔗 joepie91 and this is also an interesting option because it has a scanner
18:49 🔗 xmc fair enough
18:49 🔗 joepie91 and it's a Canon scanner
18:49 🔗 xmc oh nice
18:49 🔗 joepie91 including ADF
18:49 🔗 joepie91 so 50 euro for a combo printer / copier / flatbed scanner / ADF scanner is not bad
18:49 🔗 xmc damn
18:49 🔗 joepie91 (the store was closing up shop, so I got a 30% discount)
18:49 🔗 joepie91 even the ink cartridges are less extortionate than I'm used to
18:49 🔗 xmc impressive
18:49 🔗 joepie91 18 euro for an XL cartridge, which supposedly prints 600 pages
18:50 🔗 xmc hrm
18:50 🔗 joepie91 so overall I'd say this wasn't a bad deal :P
18:50 🔗 joepie91 now once the compatible cartridges for this model start being sold in NL, it'll be cheaper than that
18:50 🔗 joepie91 they're available in the UK already, but not yet in NL
18:51 🔗 xmc fair enough
18:51 🔗 xmc I just can't stand inkjets, I guess
18:51 🔗 xmc ok back to programming this modbus bridge ...
18:51 🔗 joepie91 it's apparently a fairly new series... sane-backends driver is 'experimental', printer driver is available but fairly new, and cartridges are not yet widely available
18:51 🔗 joepie91 but it works!
18:51 🔗 joepie91 and heh
18:51 🔗 joepie91 I don't blame you :P
18:51 🔗 xmc \o/
18:51 🔗 xmc but, modbus ...
18:52 🔗 joepie91 Canon PIXMA MX455
18:52 🔗 joepie91 iirc
18:52 🔗 yipdw xmc: lol modbus
18:52 🔗 yipdw good luck
18:53 🔗 xmc :D
18:53 🔗 * yipdw had to work with that about a year ago
18:53 🔗 xmc I'm actually doing modbus over sms with a bit of smarts on either side
18:53 🔗 xmc scungy project
18:53 🔗 yipdw wtf
18:53 🔗 yipdw this is modbus the industrial control protocol, right
18:53 🔗 xmc rofl
18:53 🔗 xmc yes, that modbus
18:53 🔗 yipdw over SMS?
18:53 🔗 * xmc nods
18:54 🔗 xmc cellphone text message
18:54 🔗 yipdw I've never seen that done before
18:54 🔗 xmc it's not very well suited for it
18:54 🔗 yipdw "Text GO to 31121 to start the centrifuge"
18:54 🔗 xmc we have created a protocol which is much better at delay tolerance
18:54 🔗 xmc that translates to modbus on the other side
18:54 🔗 xmc not too far off. it's for agricultural applications
18:54 🔗 yipdw neat
18:54 🔗 yipdw oh huh
18:55 🔗 xmc haha, from "wtf" to "neat" in 15 lines
18:55 🔗 yipdw I like software that isn't about wacking itself off
18:55 🔗 xmc yeah.
18:55 🔗 yipdw like, stuff that drives Real Things
18:55 🔗 xmc yep
18:56 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: Cloud
18:56 🔗 * joepie91 hides
18:56 🔗 yipdw what about butts
18:56 🔗 xmc anyway, we're pushing transaction control partly over to the other side of sms, so you can schedule things to happen in a few minutes or whatever and then get confirmation
18:57 🔗 yipdw in a few months, I'd actually have a use for that
18:57 🔗 xmc sweet
18:57 🔗 xmc what's happening on your end?
18:57 🔗 yipdw it'd be really nice to be able to water my plants when it gets stupidly hot
18:57 🔗 yipdw but that's usually when I'm at work
18:57 🔗 * xmc nods
18:58 🔗 yipdw right now, though, it's 12 F
18:58 🔗 yipdw so yeah, no use for that now :P
18:58 🔗 xmc :P
18:58 🔗 xmc I hear that 3 of the 5 great lakes are frozen over
18:58 🔗 yipdw it's pretty bad
18:58 🔗 xmc http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=83169
18:59 🔗 yipdw hahah
18:59 🔗 yipdw oh shit, I didn't even see Lake Erie
18:59 🔗 xmc yeah it's kind of hidden
19:00 🔗 xmc this beautiful image courtesy of our new LANDSAT 8 satellite
19:00 🔗 xmc landsat 8 is so fucking beautiful
19:00 🔗 xmc I worked with landsat 7 images a few years back, they were super frustrating because of the sensor issue
19:01 🔗 yipdw huh, neat
19:01 🔗 yipdw there's some sort of edge-detection going on in that image
19:01 🔗 xmc how so?
19:01 🔗 yipdw er, wait
19:01 🔗 yipdw I just see outlines of land masses
19:01 🔗 yipdw maybe that's just an overlay
19:01 🔗 xmc they superimposed outlines of the lakes
19:02 🔗 yipdw h ha
19:02 🔗 xmc the text is also an overlay, not from the imagery
19:02 🔗 xmc ;)
19:02 🔗 yipdw hah
19:02 🔗 Schbirid yay remote sensing
23:12 🔗 SketchCow VERY TIRED
23:21 🔗 godane hey SketchCow
23:27 🔗 SketchCow WHAT
23:35 🔗 midas he just wanted to say, your capslock is sticky.

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