[03:21] SadDM: if you responded yesterday, I missed it... what issue did you have with the IA tool? [03:21] also good morning all :P [05:06] dashcloud, http://devslovebacon.com/conferences/bacon-2014/talks/from-colo-to-yolo-confessions-of-the-angriest-archivist OR http://vimeo.com/96634067 [05:06] marning people [05:41] OH OH OH [05:41] new jason scott talk [05:42] damnit, there goes an hour of my day :P [05:54] wtf, Bayonetta has Link and Samus outfits [06:03] * joepie91 spots the "dead link" image in video :D [06:10] i'm starting to upload This Week in Libraries collection [06:30] first episode uploaded: https://archive.org/details/This_Week_In_Libraries_1 [07:02] YES! the box is back! [07:02] cc joepie91 [07:02] gratz midas :P [07:03] it's amazing, they put it rescue mode so i could archive files, but forgot to inform me i could use it again after reinstall, so after 5 hours of waiting and opening multiple tickets they informed me [07:04] takes some time, but hey [07:08] BTW, what about indie movies? [07:09] midas: told you, oneprovider is an exceptionally poor quality support ticket relay :P [07:09] like this: http://thepiratebay.isohunt.to/torrent/10267187/CVStreet.2014.FRENCH-En.Subtitles.DVDRip.x264 [07:09] yep joepie91 :< [07:09] midas: why are you using a proxy [07:09] has your ISP not unblocked TPB yet? [07:09] http://www.cvstreet.org/ [07:09] (as for indie movies, ARCHIVE ALL THE THINGS) [07:09] joepie91: yeah they did, but this was the first to pop-up [07:10] ahlol [07:10] from the documentation of the OTR library that cryptocat uses: "This library hasn't been properly vetted by security researchers. Do not use in life and death situations!" [07:10] * joepie91 reassured now [07:10] * midas starts getting some python thingies [07:11] midas: mm? [07:20] internetarchive python thingy joepie91 [07:25] midas: ah, that's a fun toy [07:25] :P [07:26] :p [07:26] for some reason i havent been using it that much yet [07:28] SketchCow: https://soundcloud.com/djz-com/katfyr-green-hill-djz [07:28] you may appreciate this [07:45] what if i upload a folder to IA? [07:45] it has the metadata, subtitles etc [07:45] will this break the internet as we know it? [09:05] godane: i found a shitload of depeche mode stuff, do you want those? [09:05] and kansas stuff [09:30] joepie91, what are you using to rip soundcloud? [09:31] ohhdemgir: nothing, but youtube-dl can probably do it [09:34] wonder if yt-dl outputs as sexy as this tough :3 - https://mediacru.sh/K1SomsRai7OZ [09:45] ohhdemgir: with a commandline switch, probably [09:45] ytdl is really well put together :) [09:46] Ohh I know, it's just doing way too much for me to keep up lol, I like to use small / stand alone scripts when available [11:05] thanks ohhdemgir ! [11:06] what happened? :o [11:08] you sent me the link to Jason's talk [11:08] ohhhh yeah [11:43] joepie91_: it would always stall out on me during an upload (no matter the size of the file). Other than that it worked fine (modifying metadata, searching, downloading and so on) [13:41] instantbird [13:41] that's a new one [13:44] It's quick. I do a lot of moving around, and it gives me one app to run multiple chats from. [13:45] it's what I use Pidgin for :) [13:45] wasn't aware that Instantbird was an existing thing at all, tbh [13:45] Pidgin's cool. [13:45] I grabbed pretty much everyâactually, literallyâevery app from Portable Apps. It was in there, ran it, and I like it. Small, simple. [13:47] portable apps? [13:47] http://portableapps.com/ [13:48] ah, Windows [13:48] * joepie91 hasn't touched Windows for years [13:49] Yeah. I use Pidgin on non-Windows machines. But when I have to work, yeah, I have to sit at a Windows machine. So Instabird it is. [13:50] Pidgin runs on Windows also :P [13:51] I give up! I have no reason. I just saw it and ran it. There was no reason behind running it. Maybe I like obscure, does-a-less-quality-job software. Haha! [13:52] heh] [13:52] well, to be fair, instantbird doesn't look bad [13:52] certainly not any worse than Pidgin [13:52] Pidgin is more or less a minimum-bar-of-viability client [13:52] Fair enough. [13:53] doesn't seem to have OTR though [13:53] that'd be a dealbreaker for me [13:53] When I was running openSUSE on my laptop for the longest time, I used Pidgin every day. [13:54] fellow opensuse user! [13:54] * joepie91 high-fives [13:55] Yup. I grew very fond of it. [13:55] I've been using opensuse since forever [13:55] started out with 9.1 or something, back when it was still suse linux [13:56] switched back and forth between suse and windows a few times [13:56] eventually settled on opensuse a few years ago, haven't looked back [13:56] (also tried out a bunch of other distros in the meantime, all of which either had a shortage of packaged software, or mysteriously bricked themselves upon updating) [13:57] Nice. Yeah, started with Ubuntu a while back, wasn't uber-fond of it, but did end up running the server edition at home on my personal server. Tried Fedora, but wasn't fond of it, either. SUSE was just what really grabbed me when I ran it. [13:57] fedora was a nightmare for me [13:57] complete lack of packages, inexplicable breakage all the time [13:57] I spent more time fixing it than using it [13:58] ubuntu was okay, until they shipped breaking updates and it bricked my entire OS [13:58] (that was a few years ago, from what I hear it's still happening with some regularity) [14:01] "I spent more time fixing it than using it". Best statement about my experience with Fedora ever. [14:02] happy to hear it's not just me :P [14:02] but yeah, according to a friend of mine who is pretty heavily involved in the security aspect of fedora [14:02] fedora is basically a testing grounds [14:02] for red hat stuff [14:03] so all the buggy shit gets into fedora first, so that all the bugs can be ironed out before it's shipped in red h at [14:03] red hat * [14:03] (and centos, presumably) [14:04] That would make sense. [14:05] indeed, but that does make it a very lousy distro for production usage :P [14:06] I used to work at a casino, a surprising amount of slot machines used Red Hat for their OSs, same goes for the back end. [14:06] They always ran better than the embedded XP machines. Hahaha! But that was Red Hat, not Fedora. [14:07] JohnnyJac: makes sense [14:07] they likely had a hefty support contract [14:07] because casino [14:08] Yup. [14:18] I've actually had the best track record with fedora of painless updates [14:18] unlike arch which would continually murder itself [14:19] I almost tried Arch, once. Never got around to it. Same with Mint. [14:39] DFJustin: Arch doesn't need an update to murder itself [14:39] funfact: the version of Fedora I was running, had _no_ upgrade trajectory [14:40] it was basically "you can kinda install the next Fedora over it, and it will probably keep working, but ehhhhh you should probably backup your stuff because probably not" [14:41] which reminds me [14:41] for the last while they've been pretty good about that, the upgrader would only go two versions up but I was able to successfully upgrade an installation four versions by going through the process twice [14:41] that I still need to update to opensuse 13.1 [14:41] and get the shiny new yast [14:50] joepie91: i dont thinkg fedora has a update trajectory at all, ever. [14:56] midas: it does [14:57] well, it does /now/ [14:57] insert CD, reinstall isnt a update trajectory tho [14:57] :p [14:58] midas: nono, there's an actual upgrade process now [14:59] a dist-upgrade [14:59] how debian [14:59] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp#How_Can_I_Upgrade_My_System_with_FedUp.3F [14:59] since f18 [14:59] (naturally, I was stuck on 17) [14:59] I also find a strange satisfaction in it being named "FedUp" [15:00] because I imagine that whoever developed and named it, was as fed up with the lack of an upgrade trajectory as I was [15:00] lol [15:00] i tried fedora 8, thats about 2 weeks before version 17. didnt like it [15:00] the releasecycle on fedora is 5 minutes or so [15:00] lol [15:00] their EOL cycle is crazy [15:00] by the time you have an environment setup [15:00] the next release is there [15:00] thats about 30 seconds [15:01] I remember looking at their EOL chart and just going "sorry, what?" [15:01] at least suse has a sane EOL cycle :P [15:01] anything is more sane than fedora [15:01] midas: another problem with fedora is that third party maintainers stop maintaining oldstable even if it's not EOL yet [15:01] at some point my chromium was like 5 versions behind [15:02] because the maintainer just stopped caring about my version [15:02] (until I raged about it on Twitter, then two days later there was magically a new build) [15:02] also, midas, ironically, I got most of my Fedora packages from the openSUSE build service [15:02] lol [15:02] same build, different number stamped on the back [15:03] openSUSE build service has a Fedora build target [15:03] lol [15:03] and its repository of Fedora builds was more useful than any of the other Fedora repos [15:03] that's quite... concerning [15:03] yeah, to say the least [15:03] it's like red hat offering a better repo for .debs than Ubuntu [15:03] :P [15:03] haha [15:04] I mean, openSUSE and Fedora both use RPM [15:04] that's about where the similarities end [15:04] they don't even use the same package manager [15:04] (Fedora uses YUM, openSUSE uses zypper/YaST) [15:04] dont like yum [15:04] neither do I [15:04] have to like it because i have to work with it daily [15:04] oh lol [15:04] midas: this reminds me [15:05] I disliked yum so much [15:05] that I actually installed an experimental Fedora build of zypper [15:05] and used that instead [15:05] lol [15:05] which is quite funny, considering zypper wasn't built to work on anything that wasn't openSUSE [15:05] the only bug I encountered was that all filesizes went up a magnitude in display (but not in actual usage) [15:05] i've installed apt-get on centos once, hated that even more because centos didnt like it [15:05] a 503kB package became 503mB [15:06] 800MB became 800GB [15:06] was quite amusing [15:06] apt is fine on it's own, just not on anything from RHEL [15:06] oh, the apt RPM thing is awful [15:06] pclinuxos uses it as main package manager [15:06] bug bonanza [15:06] can't believe somebody actually thought that was as good idea [15:06] a * [15:06] they what? do they pay their users to do that? [15:06] lol [15:06] s/do/use [15:07] yeah idk [15:07] I'm amazed that apt-rpm even exists [15:07] I really can't think of a valid reason for that [15:07] i tried it just once, good thing it was a VM so could destroy it as soon as possible [15:07] if you don't like yum, fine, port zypper or some shit [15:07] then wash my hands with sandingpaper [15:07] zypper effectively acts like apt anyway [15:07] lol [15:08] best reminder to never do it again [15:08] midas: have you ever used zypper, actually? [15:08] I used zypper a couple of times. [15:08] im no suse fan to be honest [15:08] i should try it [15:08] midas: zypper is really a gem, once you know what it can do [15:08] the basic install command pretty much behaves like apt [15:08] Yeah. It was great. [15:08] * midas runs debian + cinnamon + apt [15:08] except it has conflict resolution [15:08] thats all i need :p [15:08] -proper- conflict resolution [15:08] And by a couple I meant all the time. [15:09] and it has stuff like `zypper ps` which shows you all processes that need to be restarted to apply updates [15:09] apt has conflict resolution, it just steamrolls over anything else :p [15:09] and `zypper search` outputs nice tables instead of just barfing text all over your terminal like apt does [15:09] >.> [15:09] hm [15:09] (even with `grep`, apt-cache search output is typically unreadable) [15:09] and well [15:10] bit more like aptitude? [15:10] apt has conflict resolution in the same way that npm is a package manager [15:10] lol [15:10] (dont like aptitude btw) [15:10] npm avoids the problem of version conflicts by just installing everything locally without attempting to share -anything-0 [15:10] which is... lame [15:11] midas: idk, never really used aptitude muc [15:11] much * [15:11] also, midas, another thing I <3 about suse [15:11] YaST has multiple frontends [15:11] Qt, GTK, curses, non-interactive [15:11] and another one [15:11] all of which can do the same thing [15:12] so even if your X shits the bed, you can still use YaST like you normally do, just on a terminal [15:12] as long as i have guake im fine with that :p [15:12] which means no hours of fiddling around with config files and terminal commands, along with lynx in a screen to look stuff up in the most awkward way possible [15:12] whenever you fuck up X somehow [15:12] i love guake + apt + cinnamon + debian :p [15:12] midas: I run Guake :P [15:12] X fucks up itself [15:12] with multi-screen patch [15:13] I haven't actually had any self-fuckups with X on suse [15:13] that said, helpful hint: don't try installing the proprietary GPU drivers from the vendor manually [15:13] you WILL end up in a world of pain [15:13] i did. [15:13] once your X updates, bye bye graphical anything [15:14] i know. [15:14] :P [15:14] i've been in that world of darkness many many times [15:14] heh [15:14] I just run proprietary drivers from the repos [15:14] 0 issues with that approach [15:14] well aside from the issues with the drivers themselves, but hey, nvidia [15:14] yeah, i've switched to that a couple of versions ago [15:15] (most recent quirk of my drivers is to OOM on resuming from suspend, even though there's plenty of memory, followed by X segfaulting) [15:15] (thanks nvidia!) [15:16] but yeah [15:16] my current environment is openSUSE 12.3 + XFCE + X11 + nVidia proprietary + Guake + DockbarX [15:16] with a good amount of stuff installed from experimental or home repos [15:16] :p [15:16] debian7, cinnamon + x11, nvidia + guake :p [15:17] oh, and greybird theme, which is a whole topic in itself [15:17] proprietary? [15:17] yeah [15:17] oh dear :P [15:17] yeep [15:17] it is my understanding that proprietary GFX and Debian are not friends [15:17] it's like being a deer, seeing the headlights comming straight at you. [15:17] -m [15:18] you cant run, it will break at a certain moment [15:20] heh [15:20] $ find /fridge | grep tasty [15:20] $ [15:20] :( [15:20] right lets hack my kindle [15:21] Man, this is making me miss using SUSE. Damn. [15:21] hehe [15:21] JohnnyJac: rejoin the dark side, we still have cookies [15:21] :) [15:23] Yeah. Work just involves a lot less field work, which is where I used my openSUSE laptop. Just haven't had the occasion to use it recently. Of course, I am still a peon in world of managed services, so not a lot of call for non-Windows work. [15:24] JohnnyJac: im forced to work on windows here [15:25] so not very productive. [15:25] Same here, same here. [15:25] * joepie91 just does everything from home [15:25] Had an occasion to connect to my home server for work once, coworker be all like, "What are you running?" It's just Ubuntu... [15:26] "you're not hacking, are you" [15:26] (that's the followup remark) [15:29] * SketchCow just does everything from archive.org [15:32] Hahaha! Basically. [15:33] Nah, people here are pretty start. Just none of them are much fans of anything involving *NIX. [15:33] start = smart, when I don't have coffee. [15:40] I am sure there is a FAQ or something for this, but I am an ass. Any particular build you guys are using for archive work? [15:45] JohnnyJac: in what sense? [15:46] it's at the point where I'm writing C at 1.45am on a work night (I don't write C) that I wonder what I'm doing with my life [15:47] :P [15:47] Sorry. That was vague. I guess I was looking solely at the Warrior projects. Didn't know if you guys had dedicated rigs just for that, if any of you contribute to that particular project. [15:47] voltagex: I would start wondering that at the point where you said "writing C", regardless of time [15:47] JohnnyJac: the rundown is "rogue archivists, we use whatever is available, and build it if it isn't" [15:47] joepie91: I wrote this, which is even scarier: https://github.com/voltagex/junkcode/tree/master/C/smbversionbump [15:48] the warrior is used for large distributed projects [15:48] Right. [15:48] eg. large sites going down in a short period of time [15:48] the warrior is just click-and-forget, basically [15:48] we have archivebot for small "has to be done right now" grabs, for people who don't have a local archiving setup [15:48] eg. controversial news articles, or other stuff that might be of interest later [15:48] and has a chance of going away in the short term [15:49] then there's an array of individual tools that people use [15:49] for local website archiving, wget (with the --warc options) is a common choice [15:49] other than that, anything goes [15:49] I personally use a custom batch imaging script using cdrdao and ddrescue for imaging physical discs [15:49] CDs/DVDs [15:49] a custom batch scanning script using SANE for scanning books, leaflets, comics, etc. [15:50] Scan Tailor for post-processing scans [15:50] Exactly. Warrior. That'd be largely where I could contribute, I suppose. I haven't much to contribute in the way of programming skills or time to spend actually grabbing things. I have crap tons of spare equipment most of the time, though. So if I could stay in the loop and keep a Warrior box running for those emergency pulls, I would like to do that. [15:50] and a bunch of custom automated archiving scripts using the `internetarchive` Python library, eg. for my Pastebin scraper [15:50] * joepie91 takea a breath [15:50] takes * [15:50] then the warrior is definitely a good choice [15:50] Yeah, man. You just unloaded the answers on me. I guess that is the result of being bague. [15:51] is this local desktop equipment, or servers (local/remote)? [15:51] Local equipment. [15:51] then just using the virtualbox image of the warrior is probably your best bet [15:51] if you want to control a bunch of headless boxes, then you can also manually install and run the archiving scripts outside the warrior [15:51] Nice. [15:51] but that's more work :P [15:52] I'll get to it all, eventually. Moved recently, lost a lot of equipment, trying to rebuild and such. [15:54] take your time :) [15:54] voltagex: WTFPL, I like that :D [15:55] voltagex: I feel like there's a step 0.5 missing: "Reconsider your life choices" [15:55] joepie91: never ever written an LD_PRELOAD before, was very cool seeing my printfs come up [15:56] idk, I don't think I ever want to touch X [15:56] C * [15:58] joepie91: see step 0, I had a better idea. https://github.com/voltagex/junkcode/blob/master/C/smbversionbump/README.markdown [16:00] All: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kJRGPgvRQ [16:04] voltagex: hehe [16:04] github renumbered your step 0, though [16:04] k so the upgrade didn't blowup my kindle, good start [16:05] next up is the "unsupported networking hack" D: [16:05] Glhf. Hahaha. [16:05] :D [16:06] seems it's very widely used tho [16:06] but i need to clean / tidy this house now, so I think it's lawn mowing time! [16:06] ....?! [16:06] Expedia started accepting Bitcoin [16:06] wat [16:06] Srsly? [16:06] http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/06/11/expedia-starts-accepting-bitcoin-for-hotel-bookings/ [16:06] yes, seriously [16:06] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/06/11/expedia-wants-you-to-book-your-next-hotel-stay-with-bitcoin/ [16:06] they're starting out with hotels [16:06] apparently [16:07] coinbase is on a roll [16:07] don't they process payments for DISH too? [16:07] or was that bitpay [16:07] nope, that was coinbase [16:08] random [16:08] well damn. [16:08] Going on vacation just became a lot more interesting. Hahaha! [16:13] http://newsbtc.com/2014/06/11/google-finance-now-showing-bitcoin-prices/ [16:13] Google Finance is now charting BTC also [16:14] also, found this on reddit: [16:14] "First they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then they ask if you'd like a room with a jacuzzi." [16:16] btw, JohnnyJac, you're aware of btctrip? [16:16] https://btctrip.com/ [16:16] (they're legit) [16:17] Wow. That's awesome. [16:18] it is :) [16:21] I only loosely dabbled in cryptocurrency for bit, with Dogecoin. [16:21] I still try to keep up with news, as I can, though. [16:28] * joepie91 has been using Bitcoin for a looooong time [16:28] my registration date on bitcointalk is February 24, 2011, 09:49:54 PM [16:28] so probably been following it since late 2010 or so [16:30] * joepie91 remembers $0.0x times [16:30] Not bad. [16:31] * joepie91 also remembers getting laughed at for insisting that an instant-exchange-to-dollars-service for merchants would be absolutely vital for adoption [16:31] Who's laughing now? [16:33] Yeah, I looked into it a while ago, but I decided to get into it too late, methinks. [16:33] JohnnyJac: see, the problem with these "collective opinion" claims is that when they're proven wrong, everybody's suddenly quiet, and everybody always knew that the collective opinion was wrong, and they'd never dare to state such an insane thing [16:33] etc etc etc [16:33] and the whole cycle starts over again with a new topic [16:33] in other words: there's nobody to collect my "I told you so" from [16:34] That's an accurate summation, I'd say. [16:34] it's a recurring problem, really [16:34] not just with BTC, but with a lot of things [16:34] most people really don't like admitting that they were wrong about something, not even to themselves [16:38] Very true. [16:38] lmao someone just made a self-propagating tweet via a tweetdeck xss [16:39] I didn't jump into it just because I didn't have the hardware or knowledge at the time, not for a presence of ideological stubbornness. [16:39] JohnnyJac: :) [16:39] also, wtf, how did all my audio uploads on archive.org end up into my afterhoursdjs collection [16:39] * joepie91 sends email [16:40] Why did you direct that comment at me? It wasn't my fault. Haha. [16:40] Oh. Sorry. Missed the :) [16:42] * joepie91 spams IA [16:42] JohnnyJac: nah, wasn't directed at you :P [16:42] anyway, e-mail sent [16:42] now we wait [16:43] there should only be livesets in that collection [16:43] not all the audio I've ever uploaded... [16:45] alright [16:45] time to sleep[ [16:45] night all [16:48] Night. [16:48] Well, I feel sufficiently outclassed by you fine group of people. So, I think I will take my leave or go AFK and get back to peon work. [17:40] Aiight, I am thoroughly impressed with the Warrior appliance. That was a piece of cake to set up. [17:58] We do our best [18:00] I'll see if I can get a quick *nix box to run it going soon. That'd be awesome [18:20] "The place is on fire! But don't worry, he safely escaped with the rescued data in his arms. " [18:20] "What's that guy doing in the logo?" [18:20] Hahaha! The Warrior FAQ: [18:20] I audibly chuckled at that. [18:28] Wacom is strangely concerned about order fraud [18:29] like, I placed an order and today I had to return a call to verify details [18:29] I spent a comparable amount at B&H for some Canon gear and they didn't call me about anything [18:30] * yipdw shrugs [18:32] Maybe something has occurred to make them this paranoid? Did they experience a large amount of order fraud recently? Hmmm. [18:32] it seems like it's just the way they do things [18:33] another possibility is that B&H doesn't give a shit :P [18:33] Also a possibility. [18:35] Not sure how everyone feels about TigerDirect 'round these parts, but on a similar note, I had some crazy shit happen with them last year wherein my wishlists all disappeared and were replaced by somebody else's. Ended up having to recreate it. After that, went to make an order, and my address was a completely random address I had never heard of in my shipping address book. Finally got THAT sorted out, made an order, and they [18:35] called to verify my information. [18:35] Was a lengthy process for a miniscule amount of product. [18:36] I've never shopped through them before [18:37] Normally don't have issues. Seems like it all started when they moved from a person to a "business" account. [18:37] Some funky backend database fuck up, seems like. [18:37]