#archiveteam-bs 2014-09-16,Tue

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00:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh balrog: http://www.mckusick.com/csrg/ <- is that 4-cd set mirrored anywhere?
00:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh i wanted to run a diff of bsd 4.4-encumbered and 4.4-lite
00:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh to see exactly what code was considered copyrighted by at&t and removed
00:14 🔗 aaaaaaaaa U2 must really like backups. Just noticed a new album download itself in iTunes
00:19 🔗 godane apple had to add removing tool so people can remove U2 from there cloud
00:20 🔗 godane btw U2 new album will be on sale like normal on October 13
00:22 🔗 godane anyways i bought another 2tb hard drive
00:22 🔗 godane i'm going to use it for my news video backups
00:26 🔗 joepie91 is there a way to scrape books from google books
00:27 🔗 joepie91 the preview ones
00:34 🔗 garyrh joepie91, http://njw.me.uk/getxbook/ used to work, don't know if it still does.
00:36 🔗 joepie91 garyrh: I just get a 403
00:36 🔗 joepie91 :/
00:36 🔗 garyrh :(
00:37 🔗 joepie91 hmm
00:37 🔗 joepie91 sec
00:39 🔗 joepie91 garyrh: never mind
00:39 🔗 joepie91 layer 8 error
00:53 🔗 dashcloud joepie91: I'll have the CDs up tonight
01:12 🔗 DFJustin http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post-hell/70148-the-ultimate-guide-to-phytotelmata/
01:14 🔗 joepie91 :)
01:20 🔗 xmc DFJustin: wtf is that
01:20 🔗 xmc background music. animated flames. unreadable text.
01:20 🔗 xmc text about having sex with plants.
01:27 🔗 DFJustin haha
01:41 🔗 joepie91 xmc: sounds like the internet
01:58 🔗 godane funny or die collection is over 6700 items now
12:11 🔗 midas how start-ups feel in the beginning and near the end: https://i.imgur.com/ONwn6.jpg
12:12 🔗 midas all compacted into 1 gif.
12:20 🔗 Muad-Dib[ lol
12:22 🔗 SmileyG deathslide :O
12:27 🔗 Rotab rip
12:43 🔗 midas the 'like a boss' part is when we step in
15:27 🔗 joepie91 .tw joepie91
15:27 🔗 botpie91 Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/joepie91?1410881273.84 (@joepie91)
15:28 🔗 joepie91 ... what now?
15:28 🔗 joepie91 .tw https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/511898029373534208
15:28 🔗 botpie91 Italian court rules that Windows cannot be forcibly sold with computer hardware https://fsfe.org/news/2014/news-20140912-01.en.html (@joepie91)
15:37 🔗 arkiver lol
15:39 🔗 Kazzy hardware prices going up, "free" windows 8 included
16:50 🔗 RedType_ 09:37 [ aaaaaaaaa] [ chfoo ] [ jk[SVP] ] [ midas ] [ sankin ] [ w0rp ]
16:50 🔗 RedType_ 09:37 [ altlabel ] [ Coderjoe ] [ joepie91 ] [ mistym ] [ schbirid] [ wiktor ]
16:50 🔗 RedType_ 09:37 [ amerrykan] [ danneh_ ] [ jonathan3] [ nico ] [ Sellyme ] [ wm_ ]
16:51 🔗 RedType_ goddammit putty
16:51 🔗 RedType_ hmmmm
16:51 🔗 RedType_ i wonder if you can turn right-click-to-paste off
16:51 🔗 RedType_ .tw https://twitter.com/4c4d/status/511920269292625920
16:51 🔗 botpie91 /msg #archiveteam-bs hmmmm (@4c4d)
16:51 🔗 RedType_ worth a shot :p
16:52 🔗 joepie91 RedType_: you can, yes
16:52 🔗 joepie91 but no idea how
16:52 🔗 joepie91 (per a thread on TFTS about a slightly more disastrous incident of accidental paste)
16:52 🔗 RedType_ joepie91: i dont use windows enough to really care to find out
16:54 🔗 joepie91 :)
16:55 🔗 aaaaaaaaa window -> selection IIRC
17:46 🔗 schbirid http://www.pidjin.net/2014/04/16/lawyer-your-standards/
18:41 🔗 yipdw there appears to be no dubstep remix of clouds.mid
18:41 🔗 yipdw someone fix this
18:42 🔗 schbirid You tried to access the address http://clouds.mid/, which is currently unavailable.
18:43 🔗 yipdw the Windows 95 demo MIDI, not a website
18:43 🔗 schbirid i suspected ;)
18:43 🔗 schbirid still, it has a dot in it, might be a website
18:43 🔗 DFJustin http://windows95tips.com/post/35717919158
18:47 🔗 yipdw that explains all the reversed clouds.mid youtube videos
20:12 🔗 Coderjoe RedType_: in the session options (either before opening the connection, or through Menu->Change Settings), go to window->selection and change the "Action of mouse buttons" to "Windows". (or play around with them and see what you like)
20:15 🔗 RedType_ thanks
20:15 🔗 RedType_ yeah i found it.
20:15 🔗 RedType_ next question: anyone got any recommendations to putty alternatives?
20:19 🔗 yipdw SecureCRT
20:23 🔗 Smiley hmmm
20:23 🔗 Smiley 15 hrs to sync my drives
20:23 🔗 Smiley anyone had luck with grabbing stuff from gdrive yet?
20:23 🔗 Smiley there's a bunch of linux utils, but they all appently buggy D:
20:33 🔗 RedType_ "apparently
20:33 🔗 RedType_ i remember some fusefs gdrive thingy that basically just did not a good job of updating existing files but reads were fine
20:34 🔗 Smiley nod, gdrive-ocam-somethingsomethinglblahblah
20:34 🔗 Kazzy ocamlfuse
20:34 🔗 Smiley yah that maybe.
20:34 🔗 Kazzy i used it for about 30 minutes, wouldn't go back.
20:35 🔗 Smiley nod :(
20:35 🔗 joepie91 RedType_: openssh for windows
20:35 🔗 joepie91 works great
20:35 🔗 joepie91 (assuming cygwin plays nice)
20:48 🔗 Smiley my greatest creation
20:48 🔗 Smiley alias play_bbc="/home/tim/bin/get_iplayer/get_iplayer --stream \'$1\' --player=\"mplayer -cache 3072 -\""
20:48 🔗 Smiley LOL
20:50 🔗 joepie91 hahaha
20:51 🔗 joepie91 http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/
20:51 🔗 joepie91 "This page has been archived and is no longer updated."
20:51 🔗 * joepie91 slow claps
20:51 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: handy
20:52 🔗 Smiley joepie91: i kept forgetting the mplayer bit, and I don't wanna download the file only to then view and delete it.
21:03 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: how do I validate that a WARC is readable by the wayback
21:10 🔗 garyrh https://github.com/keendreams/keen
21:16 🔗 SketchCow There's no easy way to do that for you.
21:17 🔗 SketchCow You upload it and see if it barfs.
21:17 🔗 SketchCow Bit you have to upload into web and I' the one who can do that.
21:19 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: hm. I'm looking at writing a WARC implementation in node.js (there are now /two/ projects that I'm going to need that for...), and I'm a bit iffy about it because the final ISO spec is not freely available
21:19 🔗 joepie91 and I can reverse from the drafts and the Python implementation, but I really want to make sure that IA doesn't go derp about the resulting WARCs
21:24 🔗 balrog if anyone know C and is interested in AOL protocol stuff, #aohell may be for you :)
21:25 🔗 joepie91 .... awesome. apparently WARC uses CRLF
21:25 🔗 joepie91 balrog: what kind of protocol stuff are we talking about here
21:26 🔗 balrog see primarily https://github.com/balr0g/pengfork/tree/hack-wip/src/p3 (RE'd) and https://github.com/balr0g/pengfork/tree/hack-wip/src/fdo (have a leaked manual)
21:26 🔗 yipdw joepie91: if it passes the hanzo tools you're probably okay
21:26 🔗 balrog that is a client that allows you to tunnel http through aol. was intended for AOL subscribers who wanted tcp/ip on linux
21:27 🔗 joepie91 balrog: okay, let me ask my question differently; I don't speak C, is there any chance that there's something protocol-wise I could help with in $language_of_choice
21:27 🔗 yipdw joepie91: also, you can run the WARCs into pywb, which while not IA's wayback is still a good way to verify that stuff shows up in a web browser
21:27 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: thanks
21:28 🔗 balrog joepie91: we're talking about lots of arcane undocumented stuff that's not at all like http.
21:28 🔗 balrog (which is why warc isn't really an option at least directly)
21:28 🔗 yipdw there's also a Java wayback implementation but getting that up is insane
21:28 🔗 joepie91 balrog: sure, I like dicking with weird stuff at times, depending on the scope of it
21:28 🔗 yipdw I did it twice and swore to not do it again
21:28 🔗 joepie91 I just don't speak C and don't intend to learn it :P
21:28 🔗 joepie91 does it use TCP?
21:29 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: I tend to steer clear of anything Java
21:29 🔗 yipdw I ran into the best Java bug ever today
21:29 🔗 balrog joepie91: no it does *not* use TCP
21:29 🔗 joepie91 balrog: ah, yeah, then it's probably outside of my scope
21:29 🔗 joepie91 arcane TCP-based protocols I can deal with
21:30 🔗 joepie91 non-TCP... eh
21:30 🔗 joepie91 actually, on sec
21:30 🔗 balrog (it's a protocol layer tunneled through TCP but it's its own thing)
21:30 🔗 joepie91 one *
21:30 🔗 yipdw https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8028111
21:30 🔗 yipdw create more than 64,000 XML reader objects that each handle one entity expansion and you will be unable to read any XML from that point on
21:30 🔗 yipdw until you restart the JVM
21:30 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: lol.
21:31 🔗 balrog joepie91: http://web.archive.org/web/20011011181824/http://www.aol-files.com/misc/theaolprotocol.wri describes the low-level protocol
21:31 🔗 joepie91 that mistake is incredibly easy to make in Python, btw
21:31 🔗 yipdw yeah, that's more or less my reaction, except I also add "fuck Oracle" at the end
21:31 🔗 balrog we have manuals for the high-level protocol
21:31 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: you declare a counter on the class level, you get the same issue
21:31 🔗 joepie91 in Py
21:31 🔗 yipdw joepie91: yeah, I'm kinda of confused why it's even class-level in the JDK
21:31 🔗 joepie91 balrog: .wri?
21:31 🔗 balrog lol yeah
21:31 🔗 balrog I should convert that
21:32 🔗 balrog that's the "old" protocol
21:32 🔗 balrog the "new" one is FLAP which aiui is similar to what AIM uses
21:34 🔗 balrog joepie91: try using a plaintext editor
21:34 🔗 joepie91 balrog: left a message for somebody, to see if they might be interested
21:35 🔗 balrog alright
21:35 🔗 balrog so much legacy crufty stuff
21:35 🔗 balrog the annoying part is that AOL removed their keyword resolver.
21:35 🔗 balrog so you need to know a long, relatively unique URI to be able to get to libraries.
21:35 🔗 balrog (not file libraries, but content libraries/pages)
21:37 🔗 balrog this is the sort of crap no one wants to touch. it's scary
21:39 🔗 xmc when did they get rid of the keyword resolver? :(
21:40 🔗 balrog from what I can tell, before 2006.
21:40 🔗 balrog probably in 2005 or so.
21:40 🔗 xmc damn
21:40 🔗 balrog however, we can scrape some URIs from the web and they often cross-link
21:40 🔗 xmc "Visit us as AOL keyword Archiveteam!"
21:40 🔗 joepie91 lol
21:50 🔗 yipdw heh, speaking of AOL, gg wikipedia
21:50 🔗 yipdw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rhydin
21:51 🔗 yipdw balrog: anyone managed to get the Rhy'din records?
21:51 🔗 balrog uh
21:51 🔗 balrog it might still be there
21:51 🔗 balrog do we have an aol:// url?
21:52 🔗 yipdw none that I know of
21:52 🔗 yipdw you'd probably just have to trial-and-error it
21:52 🔗 yipdw I remember that godane put up a bunch of stuff but I haven't yet looked through it
23:54 🔗 joepie91 CDX parsing complete \o/
23:54 🔗 joepie91 kinda curious why the 'official' docs list a "some weird FBIS what's changed kinda thing"
23:58 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: are you at all familiar with the CDX format
23:58 🔗 joepie91 need to know 1) how to test CDX validity and 2) whether an escaping mechanism exists

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