#archiveteam-bs 2014-09-18,Thu

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01:17 🔗 joepie91 https://imgur.com/a/RYN2Y
01:27 🔗 RedType http://themade.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Habitat_Tech_Transfer_FULL.pdf
02:26 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-sP9i25Qoo5rK9jNw
02:26 🔗 joepie91 manual that somebody uploaded for a BBC Model B machine
02:26 🔗 joepie91 er
02:26 🔗 joepie91 game *
02:27 🔗 joepie91 doesn't seem to be anywhere else on the archive yet, and perhaps there's a more appropriate collection to file that under
04:11 🔗 SketchCow Flung it elsewhere
04:11 🔗 joepie91 looks like a fine 'elsewhere' to me :)
04:35 🔗 aaaaaaaaa http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2468652,00.asp talks about Facebook for rich people.
04:38 🔗 aaaaaaaaa $9000 to join. Should have been a dollar more.
05:37 🔗 yipdw well I guess I'm off to advertise my yacht on Jamesedition
05:38 🔗 yipdw better go tell all my fellow worthy people on netropolitan
06:43 🔗 joepie91 k, wtf
06:43 🔗 joepie91 I just successfully wrote a custom router in angularjs
06:43 🔗 joepie91 without encountering any roadblocks
06:43 🔗 joepie91 this is new to me
06:58 🔗 yipdw coincidentally today I wrote a bunch of raycasting code in box2d and it worked the first time
06:58 🔗 yipdw which is bizarro, usually I crash shit
06:58 🔗 yipdw this probably means that I'm going to run into some fundamental design problem
07:00 🔗 Smiley yipdw: glitch in the matrix
07:00 🔗 yipdw it happens when they change something
07:01 🔗 vantec Déjà vu
07:02 🔗 Smiley what happened?!
07:02 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: if it was easier than expected, you overlooked something
07:02 🔗 joepie91 lol
07:02 🔗 yipdw joepie91: yeah, proper design
07:02 🔗 yipdw but it's a prototype so who cares
07:02 🔗 yipdw heh
07:02 🔗 joepie91 :P
07:02 🔗 joepie91 it's a sad state of affairs
07:02 🔗 joepie91 when code working correctly at once makes you scratch your head and go "hmm, this can't be right..."
07:03 🔗 yipdw it's a good argument for people to not get into tech
07:03 🔗 yipdw "you will spend the rest of your life doubting yourself"
07:03 🔗 joepie91 hehehe
07:04 🔗 yipdw also, I wonder if newegg sells just drive enclosures
07:04 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: DX does
07:04 🔗 yipdw DX?
07:04 🔗 joepie91 dx.com
07:04 🔗 yipdw oh
07:04 🔗 joepie91 buyincoins.com does, also
07:04 🔗 joepie91 (and they're usually faster)
07:04 🔗 SmileyG yey laggy tethering
07:04 🔗 vantec yipdw: Yes, newegg does
07:04 🔗 yipdw neat, I'll poke around for something I can shove 6 drives into
07:04 🔗 joepie91 oh, not 6 drive enclosures I think
07:05 🔗 joepie91 well
07:05 🔗 joepie91 DX maybe
07:05 🔗 yipdw oh, yeah
07:05 🔗 joepie91 buyincoins, probably not
07:05 🔗 yipdw I meant something that I can throw a bunch of 3.5" hard drives into
07:05 🔗 joepie91 aside: when ordering from DX, expect shipping to take anywhere from 3 weeks to 3 months
07:05 🔗 yipdw a big-ass case is a possibility, but I was looking for a way to avoid that
07:05 🔗 yipdw whoa
07:05 🔗 joepie91 3 weeks is the "normal" duration
07:05 🔗 joepie91 but it occasionally takes a while longer
07:05 🔗 joepie91 comes from HK and all that
07:06 🔗 joepie91 the first smartphone I ordered from DX actually got lost in transit
07:06 🔗 joepie91 eventually even DX gave up trying to figure out where the damn thing was
07:06 🔗 joepie91 (despite the tracking number)
07:06 🔗 joepie91 and they just refunded me
07:06 🔗 joepie91 lol
07:13 🔗 yipdw man, RAM prices are crazy
07:13 🔗 yipdw http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148646 <-- around four-five years ago, I spent three times that for 12GB
07:13 🔗 yipdw also ECC
08:13 🔗 midas yipdw: upgrade at work, per cluster we upgraded each machine from 128GB ram to 512GB, total costs? about 2 new clusters. If we did it when the prices were low? not even half a cluster
08:13 🔗 midas per esx cluster we run 24 machines
08:17 🔗 SmileyG yey i'm backonline
08:35 🔗 joepie91 great
08:35 🔗 joepie91 another fucking "piracy is the same as theft" moron on reddit
08:36 🔗 midas YOU WOULD'T DOWNLOAD A CAR
08:37 🔗 joepie91 midas: https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/2gmu07/database_support_episode_4_shell_games/cklkti3?context=3
08:38 🔗 joepie91 why do people have such a hard time understanding that a requirement for something to be theft is that an item is taken away from its owner
08:38 🔗 joepie91 and that piracy does not fit that basic requirement
08:40 🔗 midas "Certainly it's theft. Morally and legally, one way or another."
08:40 🔗 midas oh wait
08:40 🔗 midas you responded to it
08:40 🔗 joepie91 yes, yes I did.
08:48 🔗 antomatic piracy is theft of the money that the owner would have earned if you had bought a real copy which obviously you would have done if no pirate copies were available, because copyrighted media is always universally excellent and everyone wants it and agrees it has value
08:48 🔗 antomatic - and all that bullshit
08:49 🔗 joepie91 can't steal something that isn't owned yet
08:49 🔗 joepie91 end of topic
08:49 🔗 joepie91 lol
08:50 🔗 antomatic but.. but...
08:50 🔗 antomatic piracy hurts /the movies you love/
08:50 🔗 joepie91 [citation needed]
08:50 🔗 antomatic you do love movies, don't you? you're not a communist? :)
08:51 🔗 antomatic all movies are excellent - fact
08:51 🔗 joepie91 blargh blargh hurts the artists yadda yadda believe us we're lobbyists derp derp derp
08:51 🔗 antomatic not one single movie is a gigantic waste of space and an insult to its audience
08:51 🔗 antomatic why, this is *art*
08:51 🔗 antomatic art must be respected
08:51 🔗 antomatic and paid for.
08:51 🔗 antomatic you /love/ art, don't you?
08:51 🔗 antomatic :)
08:51 🔗 joepie91 imagine a world where art would be freely available to anybody, that would be /horrible/
08:52 🔗 antomatic yes, how would Bruce Willis get paid? :)
08:53 🔗 antomatic actually I suspect he's doing ok.
08:53 🔗 godane the original point of copyright was to stop someone with alot money from stealing your idea
08:53 🔗 joepie91 no, no it wasn't
08:53 🔗 joepie91 not by a long stretch
08:53 🔗 joepie91 history of copyright is twofold
08:53 🔗 joepie91 one arm finds its roots in government censorship
08:53 🔗 joepie91 the other has to do with encouraging development of arts and technology by giving a financial advantage in the form of a temporary monopoly
08:54 🔗 joepie91 followed by ending up in the public domain
08:54 🔗 joepie91 the latter strategy has more or less been shown to have failed
08:54 🔗 joepie91 there is no evidence that the incentive does indeed lead to increased development of arts and technology
08:54 🔗 joepie91 and quite a bit of evidence to the contrary
08:54 🔗 joepie91 tl;dr experiment failed
08:55 🔗 joepie91 sorry, should've said "history of intellectual property" there
08:55 🔗 antomatic I wonder if there's a search engine that only returns CC-licenced results
08:55 🔗 joepie91 not "history of copyright"
08:55 🔗 joepie91 it goes further than just copyright
08:56 🔗 joepie91 yes, there is
08:56 🔗 joepie91 well
08:56 🔗 joepie91 kinda
08:56 🔗 joepie91 http://search.creativecommons.org/
08:56 🔗 joepie91 anyway, in other words:
08:56 🔗 joepie91 intellectual property was NOT meant to do any of the following:
08:56 🔗 joepie91 * guarantee income
08:57 🔗 joepie91 * provide control over what can be done with a work to the author (though there are separate moral rights in some jurisdictions)
08:57 🔗 joepie91 (the latter was indirectly provided, but only as a means to an end; the goal was never to provide that kind of control in itself)
08:57 🔗 joepie91 sadly almost nobody knows what IP was *actually* meant for
08:58 🔗 joepie91 so most people just end up rehashing whatever the RIAA/MPAA/etc feed them
08:59 🔗 midas STEAL A DOWNLOAD
10:22 🔗 ersi_ Steal your discussions
14:02 🔗 balrog if anyone is interested in working on a python client for a weird legacy protocol (AOL), please speak up :D
14:05 🔗 midas oh hell no :p
14:06 🔗 balrog (chfoo has already started)
14:07 🔗 balrog we want to make a scraper so we can sorta do like what wget-warc does
14:07 🔗 balrog though for AOL, warc wouldn't work since it's not even HTTP
14:07 🔗 midas propiatary protocols, go 1996!
17:08 🔗 joepie91 balrog: afaik WARC also works for non-HTTP?
17:24 🔗 balrog joepie91: would it work for a totally weird binary protocol?
17:24 🔗 xmc warc works for anything that's got a request/response shape
17:26 🔗 joepie91 even for stuff that doesn't have a req/res shape
17:26 🔗 joepie91 it just lets you define arbitrary opaque records with record headers and 'links' to other records
17:26 🔗 joepie91 in HTTP, that is the link between req/rep but also for example a DNS lookup
17:26 🔗 joepie91 but I'm sure it can be made into something sensible for weird binary protocols as well
17:27 🔗 joepie91 it just requires some manual fiddling
17:30 🔗 xmc hm, ok
17:31 🔗 balrog hmm it should work then
17:31 🔗 balrog but we'd need new tools and viewers :p
17:45 🔗 joepie91 is there anybody here who I could borrow 40 euro from on paypal for a day or two? apparently fucking OVH doesn't take iDeal for KS servers anymore, and my money is currently in the wrong place (that is, on my bank acc instead of on paypal)
17:45 🔗 joepie91 and it takes ~2 days to get it from A to B...
17:46 🔗 joepie91 :|
17:49 🔗 schbirid wtf paypal has gamificated their profile data harvesting
17:49 🔗 schbirid apparently i am at 60% done
17:49 🔗 schbirid fuck them
17:49 🔗 joepie91 lol?
17:49 🔗 schbirid joepie91: pm me your address
17:50 🔗 schbirid i wonder how much those cunts will take for themselves :)
17:50 🔗 joepie91 yeah, the bill is 36 euro, I've guesstimated 40 euro for that reason
17:50 🔗 joepie91 lol
17:51 🔗 Smiley LOL
17:54 🔗 joepie91 I wish PayPal operated more like Bitonic
17:54 🔗 joepie91 daily processing at 12.00-13.00
17:54 🔗 joepie91 done
17:54 🔗 joepie91 guaranteed to have money in time
18:24 🔗 joepie91 ... okay then
18:24 🔗 * joepie91 stares
18:25 🔗 joepie91 schbirid: looks like you're getting it back straightaway
18:25 🔗 joepie91 apparently the iDeal integration that PayPal has been derping about for months has finally been added in the past few days without me realizing it
18:28 🔗 schbirid just did and wtfed :)
18:28 🔗 joepie91 hahaha
18:29 🔗 joepie91 schbirid: thanks for the help anyway :P
18:31 🔗 schbirid np
18:31 🔗 schbirid i love bob's burgers :(
18:32 🔗 xmc me too!
18:32 🔗 xmc why the sadface?
18:32 🔗 schbirid i should be working on a thesis
18:32 🔗 xmc ohhh
18:41 🔗 schbirid awesome https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8336025
18:46 🔗 yipdw schbirid: ha nice
18:46 🔗 yipdw I'm going to do that with ninjawedding.org's DNS records
18:47 🔗 aaaaaaaaa put a script tag in it and have some fun
18:48 🔗 yipdw oh shit
18:48 🔗 yipdw NFSN's dashboard doesn't sanitize it either
18:48 🔗 yipdw good thing for noscript
18:49 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: NFSN?
18:49 🔗 schbirid oh crap
18:49 🔗 schbirid nearlyfreespeech.net
18:50 🔗 joepie91 ah, hm.
18:54 🔗 RedType woah nfsn is still around?
18:55 🔗 yipdw yeah
18:55 🔗 yipdw good thing too
18:55 🔗 RedType oh shit they do cheap dns hosting
18:55 🔗 RedType yeah i used to use nfsn
18:58 🔗 joepie91 freedomporn is hosted with them :)
19:00 🔗 xmc anti-state porn, hm.
19:00 🔗 joepie91 ...?
19:00 🔗 joepie91 anarchist != anti-state
19:00 🔗 xmc i am at work so naturally i am looking around http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn
19:01 🔗 xmc they have a category for "anti-state porn"
19:01 🔗 joepie91 ah, I thought you were refering to the entire site
19:01 🔗 joepie91 :p
19:01 🔗 xmc man, I have to download a 7z? why isn't it just on the page right there?
19:01 🔗 xmc :(
19:02 🔗 joepie91 xmc: what are you looking at?
19:02 🔗 joepie91 most are just media files
19:02 🔗 xmc ok
19:04 🔗 joepie91 it's possible that the one you're looking at predates the download server :)
19:05 🔗 xmc possibly
19:17 🔗 chfoo i made a video screen capture of that xss in case they fixed it: https://archive.org/details/TxtRecordXss
19:29 🔗 schbirid :)
19:30 🔗 schbirid record the others too!

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