#archiveteam-bs 2014-10-05,Sun

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00:06 🔗 marino Greetings all. Question about IA: Would they be able to take on a 3TB (and a couple <3TB) disk images? I have a large quantity of relatively interesting data that I don't really have the means to preserve or store, so.....
00:11 🔗 dashcloud you should probably msg SketchCow and ask him- 3 TB is large enough that you'll want to make arrangements ahead of time
00:14 🔗 marino Ok, ty. I'll also look into the feasibility of chunking it up which just occured to me, but I've never tried anything like that before so I'd want to test it out first
00:41 🔗 godane SketchCow: looks like the tv.msn.com tv guides are gone
00:52 🔗 godane so it looks like it just completely gone
00:52 🔗 godane tv.msn.com i mean
00:53 🔗 godane it will give a error say "You are using an outdated browser. Please upgrade to the latest version for the best MSN experience."
00:54 🔗 godane maybe its a real error
00:59 🔗 Rotab works for me
01:01 🔗 aaaaaaaaa redirects me to http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv
01:01 🔗 godane aaaaaaaaa: thats what i'm getting
01:04 🔗 Rotab yeah, with tv related stuff
01:04 🔗 Rotab was there another tv site?
01:05 🔗 godane ok so think now its redirecting
01:05 🔗 godane it works in chromium browser thats in aol 9.7 beta
01:06 🔗 APerti SketchCow: http://www.ephotobay.com/image/lemmings-300.jpg
05:23 🔗 SketchCow We could take the 3TB
05:24 🔗 SketchCow I wish they'd mail.
07:26 🔗 DFJustin http://archive.org/download/aol-file-protocol-4400-3101-to-3300/aol-file-protocol-4400-3101-to-3300.zip/AOLDLs%2FWAOL%20Board%2Fclown%2FCLOWN1.bmp
10:16 🔗 SketchCow We do the best work
10:16 🔗 SketchCow Clown saved forever
10:37 🔗 BlueMaxim that goddamn clown
11:34 🔗 schbirid lots of duplicates in that list, no need to grab identical files from multiple hosts
11:34 🔗 schbirid wrong chin
13:20 🔗 Kazzy efnet man.
16:47 🔗 godane SketchCow: can this item be fixed and derive: https://archive.org/details/Microsoft_Research_Video_144078
16:47 🔗 godane its saying its unknown when its clearly a asf file
17:32 🔗 jscottsux The biggest fun fact in the history of man: J.Scott ruins the fun and freedom of archive.org. He might even be responsible for the robots.txt extreme policy. He also sets out all these unfair copyright rules of archive.org. He is a powerful jerk who loves to ruin lives of 16-year olds. Pedophile.
17:39 🔗 jasonphil Man, I should stop trolling these bastards and uniquely archive in my own way. I'm probably going to fuck off for a VERY, VERY long time... MUHAHAHA! >:D
17:44 🔗 yipdw I understand gamergate now
17:45 🔗 yipdw also xmc didn't you add a pattern to the banlist
17:46 🔗 yipdw must have been a different channel
17:52 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Ironically, he makes archive.org more fun with JSMESS.
17:59 🔗 fuckat Why the fuck won't anyone leave with me? Can't you idiots see that J.Scott bullied me? He is clearly a fame hog!
18:28 🔗 schbirid yipdw: yeah, it's selected single freaks, not communities that should be blamed
18:28 🔗 yipdw no, I mean dec-31-99 made me understand it
18:29 🔗 SketchCow It does help, doesn't it.
18:29 🔗 yipdw other things that help me understand it include autoimmune disease
18:29 🔗 SketchCow yipdw: There's actually a much more informative article, if you're up for reading.
18:29 🔗 yipdw sure
18:31 🔗 SketchCow Need a moment
18:35 🔗 SketchCow Damn, it's been too long.
18:36 🔗 SketchCow It was a wonderful overview about how the side effect of the time of adolescence of young adulthood is when biologically, people can become seriously anything, and fall into it headlong.
18:36 🔗 SketchCow I'm failing on keywords because it has the mention of someone being a breakthrough scientist or a suicide bomber.
18:36 🔗 SketchCow And that's a tough one to search and find.
18:37 🔗 schbirid whoa what happened to metafilter :(
18:37 🔗 SketchCow New look - he wrote a huge thing about it.
18:38 🔗 schbirid can't even read on my mobile because the header overlaps 80% of the screen. "yay responsive design forcing" :(
18:38 🔗 yipdw SketchCow: is http://omicsonline.org/2157-2526/2157-2526-S5-003.php?aid=7236 close
18:38 🔗 SketchCow Yes, although this one was written more popsci-ish
18:38 🔗 SketchCow Obviously
18:39 🔗 SketchCow I don't like making people have to wade through research like that for a side comment.
18:39 🔗 SketchCow I can recommend my favorite This American Life episode, which I've listened to 50 times!
18:40 🔗 SketchCow http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/419/petty-tyrant
18:40 🔗 yipdw i find the theory interesting because I can hardcore relate to it
18:42 🔗 yipdw one thing that I'm really interested in is finding ways to channel that radicalized mindset into something else
18:43 🔗 SketchCow godane: I can't seem to find a way to derive an ASF file.
19:39 🔗 godane SketchCow: that maybe just a weird one
19:40 🔗 godane its only 3 mins and its hd
19:40 🔗 godane also asf do derive: https://archive.org/details/Microsoft_Research_Video_146550
19:40 🔗 godane just not that one
19:40 🔗 SketchCow Maybe it's broke-ass.
19:40 🔗 godane i was able to play it in mplayer just fine
19:41 🔗 godane anyways you getting alot of the videos that do derive with metadata just fine
19:42 🔗 SketchCow I set the mediatype (for some reason it didn't do that) and now I'm re-deriving.
19:42 🔗 godane ok
19:43 🔗 godane thats what i thought it was
19:43 🔗 godane it was not like the g4 broken videos where it said flash for media type and found out there broken
19:59 🔗 SketchCow godane: https://archive.org/details/Microsoft_Research_Video_144078
19:59 🔗 SketchCow Got it working.
19:59 🔗 godane thanks
20:02 🔗 SketchCow No idea what happened.
20:02 🔗 SketchCow There's a strong argument under v2 (the new interface) to write an audit-o-matic that will track down "wow, we never ran a derive" and then propose it be done.
20:02 🔗 SketchCow It'd call it godane.sh
20:12 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: I vote godane-o-tron.sh
20:29 🔗 godane i'm also up to 2007-08 with theguardian.com sitemap urls
20:30 🔗 godane so we will have a complete audit of theguardian.com at some point
20:32 🔗 godane i'm also going to start back up my thingiverse collection
20:33 🔗 SketchCow I spoke with the CEO of Panic.
20:33 🔗 SketchCow I think in all cases, the right thing to do is "donate to Internet Archive in a big way", as opposed to funding a disk couch. Because:
20:34 🔗 SketchCow - It's meant to go to Archive.org anywayh
20:34 🔗 SketchCow - Donations to the archive are tax-deductible
20:34 🔗 SketchCow - Donations can be tracked, legally, through the archive.org system and no implied contact occurs
20:34 🔗 SketchCow - We don't get banged on a service we give $$$ to and then they change terms or fuck us
20:36 🔗 SketchCow Downsides are mostly that Internet Archive is more "expensive" in terms of the rough thought of "protect content forever" is currently $2000/tb
20:36 🔗 SketchCow That said, we're growing at this rate anyway, and so juicing the disk buys is a good way to go.
20:36 🔗 APerti Backups of backups and what not?
20:36 🔗 SketchCow What, the figure?
20:37 🔗 SketchCow The figure is a calculation by DLSR (consultant, storage expert) on how much it would cost, calculating changes in prices and time and energy to keep something around through the next forever.
20:38 🔗 APerti Got it.
20:56 🔗 DFJustin hard drives only last a few years so you have to keep rebuying, the price does go down with time but there's no guarantee that will continue at the current rate
21:04 🔗 SketchCow DFJustin: http://blog.dshr.org/
21:04 🔗 SketchCow If you want to read the guy, if you haven't already, this is apparently all he does - he calculates this stuff.
21:04 🔗 SketchCow Brewster listens to him except where he proposes doom and gloom - then not so much. :)
21:11 🔗 DFJustin yeah that's what I was attempting to summarize
21:12 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_ancestry has begun showing up.
21:12 🔗 DFJustin a lot of the pushback against the figure seems to be just assuming that you only have to buy drives once
21:20 🔗 godane i figure you guys would only need $2000 for 4TB hard dirve :P
21:21 🔗 godane only thinking that cause they are out there that way you get more for your money
21:22 🔗 godane just figured that cause a $4tb drive should use less power then 4 1TB drives
21:22 🔗 APerti More likely to malfunction though.
21:23 🔗 godane ok
21:23 🔗 godane only throwing it out there
21:25 🔗 antomatic APerti: but not four times more likely
21:31 🔗 aaaaaaaaa maybe the $2000 should be amortized into a yearly figure.
22:43 🔗 godane so i figured out 2 video files names from 2000
22:59 🔗 godane so i got 3 clips of today show for 2000-12-12
23:00 🔗 SmileyG if only we could kickstarter storage for ia :(
23:03 🔗 aaaaaaaaa What is the appeal? Kickstarter would take a percentage and it wouldn't be tax deductible like it would if it went straight to IA
23:11 🔗 BlueMaxim publicity mainly
23:13 🔗 SmileyG nod. for some reason ppl go crazy for stuff on ks :/
23:14 🔗 SmileyG or that kinda thing but w/o the middleman.
23:38 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Maybe an "adopt a collection" and they could put the donor's name in different pages and the wayback machine. People like publicity and so do big corporate donors.
23:39 🔗 * LD100 thinks on the last southpark episode.
23:42 🔗 joepie91 pullrequest review is boring.

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