[00:06] Greetings all. Question about IA: Would they be able to take on a 3TB (and a couple <3TB) disk images? I have a large quantity of relatively interesting data that I don't really have the means to preserve or store, so..... [00:11] you should probably msg SketchCow and ask him- 3 TB is large enough that you'll want to make arrangements ahead of time [00:14] Ok, ty. I'll also look into the feasibility of chunking it up which just occured to me, but I've never tried anything like that before so I'd want to test it out first [00:41] SketchCow: looks like the tv.msn.com tv guides are gone [00:52] so it looks like it just completely gone [00:52] tv.msn.com i mean [00:53] it will give a error say "You are using an outdated browser. Please upgrade to the latest version for the best MSN experience." [00:54] maybe its a real error [00:59] works for me [01:01] redirects me to http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv [01:01] aaaaaaaaa: thats what i'm getting [01:04] yeah, with tv related stuff [01:04] was there another tv site? [01:05] ok so think now its redirecting [01:05] it works in chromium browser thats in aol 9.7 beta [01:06] SketchCow: http://www.ephotobay.com/image/lemmings-300.jpg [05:23] We could take the 3TB [05:24] I wish they'd mail. [07:26] http://archive.org/download/aol-file-protocol-4400-3101-to-3300/aol-file-protocol-4400-3101-to-3300.zip/AOLDLs%2FWAOL%20Board%2Fclown%2FCLOWN1.bmp [10:16] We do the best work [10:16] Clown saved forever [10:37] that goddamn clown [11:34] lots of duplicates in that list, no need to grab identical files from multiple hosts [11:34] wrong chin [13:20] efnet man. [16:47] SketchCow: can this item be fixed and derive: https://archive.org/details/Microsoft_Research_Video_144078 [16:47] its saying its unknown when its clearly a asf file [17:32] The biggest fun fact in the history of man: J.Scott ruins the fun and freedom of archive.org. He might even be responsible for the robots.txt extreme policy. He also sets out all these unfair copyright rules of archive.org. He is a powerful jerk who loves to ruin lives of 16-year olds. Pedophile. [17:39] Man, I should stop trolling these bastards and uniquely archive in my own way. I'm probably going to fuck off for a VERY, VERY long time... MUHAHAHA! >:D [17:44] I understand gamergate now [17:45] also xmc didn't you add a pattern to the banlist [17:46] must have been a different channel [17:52] Ironically, he makes archive.org more fun with JSMESS. [17:59] Why the fuck won't anyone leave with me? Can't you idiots see that J.Scott bullied me? He is clearly a fame hog! [18:28] yipdw: yeah, it's selected single freaks, not communities that should be blamed [18:28] no, I mean dec-31-99 made me understand it [18:29] It does help, doesn't it. [18:29] other things that help me understand it include autoimmune disease [18:29] yipdw: There's actually a much more informative article, if you're up for reading. [18:29] sure [18:31] Need a moment [18:35] Damn, it's been too long. [18:36] It was a wonderful overview about how the side effect of the time of adolescence of young adulthood is when biologically, people can become seriously anything, and fall into it headlong. [18:36] I'm failing on keywords because it has the mention of someone being a breakthrough scientist or a suicide bomber. [18:36] And that's a tough one to search and find. [18:37] whoa what happened to metafilter :( [18:37] New look - he wrote a huge thing about it. [18:38] can't even read on my mobile because the header overlaps 80% of the screen. "yay responsive design forcing" :( [18:38] SketchCow: is http://omicsonline.org/2157-2526/2157-2526-S5-003.php?aid=7236 close [18:38] Yes, although this one was written more popsci-ish [18:38] Obviously [18:39] I don't like making people have to wade through research like that for a side comment. [18:39] I can recommend my favorite This American Life episode, which I've listened to 50 times! [18:40] http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/419/petty-tyrant [18:40] i find the theory interesting because I can hardcore relate to it [18:42] one thing that I'm really interested in is finding ways to channel that radicalized mindset into something else [18:43] godane: I can't seem to find a way to derive an ASF file. [19:39] SketchCow: that maybe just a weird one [19:40] its only 3 mins and its hd [19:40] also asf do derive: https://archive.org/details/Microsoft_Research_Video_146550 [19:40] just not that one [19:40] Maybe it's broke-ass. [19:40] i was able to play it in mplayer just fine [19:41] anyways you getting alot of the videos that do derive with metadata just fine [19:42] I set the mediatype (for some reason it didn't do that) and now I'm re-deriving. [19:42] ok [19:43] thats what i thought it was [19:43] it was not like the g4 broken videos where it said flash for media type and found out there broken [19:59] godane: https://archive.org/details/Microsoft_Research_Video_144078 [19:59] Got it working. [19:59] thanks [20:02] No idea what happened. [20:02] There's a strong argument under v2 (the new interface) to write an audit-o-matic that will track down "wow, we never ran a derive" and then propose it be done. [20:02] It'd call it godane.sh [20:12] SketchCow: I vote godane-o-tron.sh [20:29] i'm also up to 2007-08 with theguardian.com sitemap urls [20:30] so we will have a complete audit of theguardian.com at some point [20:32] i'm also going to start back up my thingiverse collection [20:33] I spoke with the CEO of Panic. [20:33] I think in all cases, the right thing to do is "donate to Internet Archive in a big way", as opposed to funding a disk couch. Because: [20:34] - It's meant to go to Archive.org anywayh [20:34] - Donations to the archive are tax-deductible [20:34] - Donations can be tracked, legally, through the archive.org system and no implied contact occurs [20:34] - We don't get banged on a service we give $$$ to and then they change terms or fuck us [20:36] Downsides are mostly that Internet Archive is more "expensive" in terms of the rough thought of "protect content forever" is currently $2000/tb [20:36] That said, we're growing at this rate anyway, and so juicing the disk buys is a good way to go. [20:36] Backups of backups and what not? [20:36] What, the figure? [20:37] The figure is a calculation by DLSR (consultant, storage expert) on how much it would cost, calculating changes in prices and time and energy to keep something around through the next forever. [20:38] Got it. [20:56] hard drives only last a few years so you have to keep rebuying, the price does go down with time but there's no guarantee that will continue at the current rate [21:04] DFJustin: http://blog.dshr.org/ [21:04] If you want to read the guy, if you haven't already, this is apparently all he does - he calculates this stuff. [21:04] Brewster listens to him except where he proposes doom and gloom - then not so much. :) [21:11] yeah that's what I was attempting to summarize [21:12] https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_ancestry has begun showing up. [21:12] a lot of the pushback against the figure seems to be just assuming that you only have to buy drives once [21:20] i figure you guys would only need $2000 for 4TB hard dirve :P [21:21] only thinking that cause they are out there that way you get more for your money [21:22] just figured that cause a $4tb drive should use less power then 4 1TB drives [21:22] More likely to malfunction though. [21:23] ok [21:23] only throwing it out there [21:25] APerti: but not four times more likely [21:31] maybe the $2000 should be amortized into a yearly figure. [22:43] so i figured out 2 video files names from 2000 [22:59] so i got 3 clips of today show for 2000-12-12 [23:00] if only we could kickstarter storage for ia :( [23:03] What is the appeal? Kickstarter would take a percentage and it wouldn't be tax deductible like it would if it went straight to IA [23:11] publicity mainly [23:13] nod. for some reason ppl go crazy for stuff on ks :/ [23:14] or that kinda thing but w/o the middleman. [23:38] Maybe an "adopt a collection" and they could put the donor's name in different pages and the wayback machine. People like publicity and so do big corporate donors. [23:39] * LD100 thinks on the last southpark episode. [23:42] pullrequest review is boring.