#archiveteam-bs 2014-10-23,Thu

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00:00 ๐Ÿ”— garyrh :(
00:00 ๐Ÿ”— pikhq What the heck?
00:00 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa he got banned from archivebot again
00:01 ๐Ÿ”— jesusrule Idiots, I have holier skin that you. All you do is carry on and see me as a tiny idiot, perhaps even laugh. But you won't be laughing once all of your blood, guts, and organs are shed and fed to 100s!
00:02 ๐Ÿ”— jesusrule I'm speaking in the name of Jesus Christ.
00:02 ๐Ÿ”— jesusrule I'll probably enjoy bloody wine with some great steak the most. >:D
00:03 ๐Ÿ”— pikhq Sounds like a justification for banning mibbit.
00:05 ๐Ÿ”— fuckivan Ivan sucks.
00:05 ๐Ÿ”— fuckivan Fuck him.
00:05 ๐Ÿ”— fuckivan Fuck him.
00:05 ๐Ÿ”— fuckivan He probably needs artificial sex with inanimate objects to feel better.
00:05 ๐Ÿ”— fuckivan He humps mannequins.
00:06 ๐Ÿ”— garyrh yeah, so could someone ban mibbit?
00:07 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin talk about the gift that keeps on giving
00:14 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 here, I'm going to pop on to see if it's unique in any way
00:14 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 okay so that seems like yes
00:14 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 let me go do it in the channels I have +o in in a few mins
00:16 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa *!*4c163e17@*.mibbit.com
00:16 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa that is what ivan used, fwiw
00:16 ๐Ÿ”— * chronomex wields a blunt hammer
00:17 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 okay, will copypasta
00:19 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 trash has been preemptively taken out in channels I've got +o in
00:24 ๐Ÿ”— fuckallyo www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying
00:24 ๐Ÿ”— fuckallyo That applies to you idiots.
00:27 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa Can't seem to get the message that acting like a sociopath won't make people like you.
00:30 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMaxim seems everyone is absolutely loved today!
00:32 ๐Ÿ”— garyrh <3
00:50 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 DFJustin: can you /mode #archiveteam-bs +b *4c163e17@*.mibbit.com
00:50 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 and do the same for #archiveteam and #archivebot
00:50 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 please and thank you
01:06 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex have at it, also in #
01:20 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw it's kind of astounding that in five years of archive team that we've only had one really odd nutball
01:22 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa I'm sure they are more, they just use their power for good.
01:22 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw true
01:23 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa Can't help but think what sort of asset he would be with all that energy invested in something productive.
01:24 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw he does upload archives and they seem okay
01:24 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw the reaction is pretty crazy though
01:24 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex oh we've had loads of nutballs
01:24 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex usually not more than one at a time
01:31 ๐Ÿ”— wp494 thank you very much chronomex
03:38 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw fun with 3d printing
03:38 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw http://i.imgur.com/3oJdSXK.png
03:38 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw so many mesh errors to fix heh
03:41 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex fuuuuun
03:56 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw woo remove doubles saved my ass
05:09 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Strange kid.
06:17 ๐Ÿ”— ersi For sure.
07:35 ๐Ÿ”— midas soo, at what point did archiveteam changed from attracting people that care to people that want to spill our blood?
07:57 ๐Ÿ”— Atluxity are we at the "then they fight you" stage now?
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley i think its that kid again lol
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— midas probably yeah
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley dec1999 or whatecer his nicj was.
08:00 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex dec-31-99
08:00 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex that guy
08:02 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley or noah just got his bw bill :D
08:07 ๐Ÿ”— midas hahaha
08:25 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Yeah, he's just crazy and has too much time on his hands
08:26 ๐Ÿ”— Atluxity so he is probably born in 99, his behaviour makes total sense
08:31 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley so i can do metadatacmaybe...
09:15 ๐Ÿ”— Rotab Atluxity: i think he said he is 13 or 14, so yeah
09:15 ๐Ÿ”— Rotab what did he do this time?
09:21 ๐Ÿ”— midas 16 Rotab, and he wants to spill some blood or something
09:21 ๐Ÿ”— midas anyway, not important
09:22 ๐Ÿ”— Rotab oh, 16
09:22 ๐Ÿ”— Rotab same shit :))
09:22 ๐Ÿ”— midas we've all been that age
09:24 ๐Ÿ”— Rotab yeah but not like that.. i hope
09:29 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley lol nod
09:29 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley i was wild but never murderous
09:31 ๐Ÿ”— midas not saying i was muderous, just young :p
09:58 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley lol aye
10:02 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Rotab: He posted in #archiveteam as jscottsux at 02:13 (our time)
10:03 ๐Ÿ”— godane can anyone look at digi.vatlib.it to find full pdfs of there digital work
10:06 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMaxim "It works!"
10:07 ๐Ÿ”— godane they water mark the hell out of these books
10:33 ๐Ÿ”— Rotab ersi: i lost it
10:33 ๐Ÿ”— Rotab ersi: psu cable wasnt plugged in properly :D
10:33 ๐Ÿ”— Rotab poff
11:39 ๐Ÿ”— godane so i'm close to 29k items now
11:39 ๐Ÿ”— godane about 20k of it is the eric archive
15:47 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa since SketchCow seems to have a thing for ello: https://ello.co/wtf/post/FsXDQrTHGLKhHbaSaVrHXg
15:47 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa they seem to have become a public benefit corporation.
15:48 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Morning
15:54 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Thanks for the tip
15:55 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa You are welcome.
16:30 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid sometimes i am amazed at huge random forums one can stumble upon http://forums.d2jsp.org/
16:41 ๐Ÿ”— godane so i found sort of a home improvement show from Japan called Before After
17:32 ๐Ÿ”— godane so i'm finally uploading 3501 to 3600 set of aol 4400 files
17:33 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin was wondering what happened to that
17:33 ๐Ÿ”— godane i had it but need to add info.txt files to it
17:34 ๐Ÿ”— godane been also working on the twit videos for the last 2 weeks
17:35 ๐Ÿ”— godane i doing 3601 to 3620 so i can just search that area for missing info.txt then continue downloading with 3621 to 3640 etc
19:43 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley http://www.arcade-museum.com
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 where's the FTP channel again? ftp://kirklanduncorked.com/ should really be archived, and I don't think it has been done yet
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— w0rp I went to upload something to IA, and I accidentally ended up getting the best URL ever.
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— w0rp https://archive.org/details/FeelsGoodMan
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— w0rp It's just what I was given so I was like, "Well, alright."
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley lol
19:46 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ha
19:48 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley yey metadata
19:48 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley damn some of it sucks but D:
19:50 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa joepie91: #effteepee
19:50 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 danke schon
19:53 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Anyone happen to know of any good VPS offers from non-US companies? I've done a cursory look on LEB but havn't found anything. I'm out for cheap. The lowest I've found is Hetzner for 7.9รขย‚ยฌ/mo
19:54 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: not looking well enough :)
19:54 ๐Ÿ”— ersi hmm
19:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 there's EDIS for example
19:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 austrian company
19:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 servers errrywhere
19:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 vps-forge is... let me check
19:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 I *think* VPS-Forge is UK
19:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 and their boxes are at Hetzner
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ya
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— ersi EDIS seems to be out of stock on the latest offer
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 https://www.opencompany.co.uk/company/07694072/vpsforge-ltd
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 http://vps-forge.com/
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: if UK/DE is okay, VPS-Forge is one I can recommend
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 though I wonder why exactly you're after non-US VPS offers
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— ersi As long as it isn't a non-US company
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— ersi I'm embargoing them for being retards
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— ersi :p
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley \o/
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 okay, that is a valid reason I suppose :P
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— ersi and the only way to show the US, is to vote with the wallet
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 was hoping it wasn't "because NSA" because in that sense it makes absolutely 0 difference where the company is located
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— ersi only thing they care about
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 so that was an unexpected satisfactory answer
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 but yeah, VPS-Forge is UK
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Well, I'm fucked even if I choose an European provider if the US would be after me or my services
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 exactly my point :P
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— ersi state based actors are hard to protect against
19:58 ๐Ÿ”— ersi but I can still point my finger at the US and not give them my money voluntarily :)
19:58 ๐Ÿ”— ersi I'll check them out
19:58 ๐Ÿ”— ersi >_> vps-forge shows price in dollars :o
19:58 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: any particular specs you're after?
19:58 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 yes :P
19:58 ๐Ÿ”— ersi wtf?! 2GB RAM? 5$/mo?!
19:58 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 yup, they recently updated their plans
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 be aware that it is openVZ
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— ersi oh, unlimited ipv6.. I guess a single ipv4 costs extra :D
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— ersi hmm, openVZ does ring bad
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 1 ipv4 included
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 not necessarily
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 depends on the purpose
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 what do you need it for :P
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— ersi yeah
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— ersi then again, I'm going to use this for super duper low-usage stuff
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— ersi maybe I won't even notice how oversold it is
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— ersi :D
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 not at all really
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 well
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 not noticeably anyway
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 they're rock solid, haven't seen any performance dips
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— ersi oh cool
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 hasn't changed since the move to new servers
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 so they seem to have their stuff down well
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— ersi what other than that is bad about openvz-installs then?
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 no advanced iptables
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 eg. OpenVPN/PPTP only when provider enables it manually and some will refuse to do so for security reasons
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 no custom kernel
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 most WAFs/IDSes will not work correctly
20:01 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Hmm, well. As long as the basic iptables work~ so one could DROP a few things
20:01 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 that works fine
20:01 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 also, IPv6 range allocations won't work
20:01 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 (afaik, though that may have changed)
20:01 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Any particular WAFs/IDSes you've noticed to not work?
20:01 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 as in, you can only assign separate IPv6es
20:01 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 not really, but most rely on packet capture which can be iffy on openVZ or custom advanced iptables rules
20:01 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 or other kernel magicks
20:02 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 tl;dr maybe they work, but don't have high hopes
20:02 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Do you usually have the need to run custom kernels?
20:02 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 oh, ersi: also no possibility for FDE
20:03 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 your filesystem is virtualized
20:03 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 so don't expect filesystem security (not that that's any better for unencrypted KVM... but still)
20:03 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: never :P
20:03 ๐Ÿ”— ersi FDE?
20:03 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Oh full disk encryption
20:03 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 I just run stock Debian stable with assorted stuff everywhere
20:03 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 yeah
20:03 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 basically see openVZ as a chroot on steroids
20:04 ๐Ÿ”— ersi makes sense why it's a cheaper choice
20:04 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 with (generally) secure isolation
20:04 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 yep, you can oversell + overhead is lower
20:04 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 for 99% of usecases, openvz is fine
20:05 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 also, openvz is not great at lots and lots of open connections
20:05 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 normal usage will be fine, but don't expect to handle 20k concurrent connections without a hitch on a cheap openvz box :P
20:06 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Well, I did want cheaper than cheap so I don't expect much in the way of quality :)
20:06 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 then a vps-forge openvz thingie should exceed your expectations :P
20:06 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 (fwiw, I've been using them for about 3 years now)
20:07 ๐Ÿ”— ersi what kind of stuff do you got running there? some small-scale/low-usage personal services mostly?
20:08 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: UnrealIRCd (favourite leaf of many users, because network basically never glitches), lighttpd+PHP+MySQL stack, Tahoe-LAFS, and some misc
20:09 ๐Ÿ”— ersi neat :)
20:09 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Thanks a lot for being an awesome pricefinder, hehe :)
20:09 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 :D
20:09 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: alternatively, it needs some work, but http://vps-list.cryto.net/
20:10 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 it's in my to-rewrite queue
20:10 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 and for BTC, http://cryto.net/~joepie91/bitcoinvps.html
20:10 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Hm~ I do have some BTC laying about~
20:11 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid me too, 0.0001 of them
20:12 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 anyway, vps-forge is in my top 3 provider list along with ramhost and ramnode, but the latter two are US-based
20:13 ๐Ÿ”— ersi they should give you a referral bonus :)
20:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 lol
20:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 they *are* going to do a referal system apparently
20:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 but I don't like those
20:13 ๐Ÿ”— ersi aka crazy sales department
20:13 ๐Ÿ”— ersi people pushing hard for the referral etc
20:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 tends to result in spam and blah
20:14 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 and general misleading-ness
20:15 ๐Ÿ”— ersi yea
20:15 ๐Ÿ”— ersi wut! they even got the cheaper price if you pre-pay :D
20:15 ๐Ÿ”— ersi 4.5$/mo!
20:15 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 oh, quite possibly
20:15 ๐Ÿ”— * joepie91 has everything on monthly where possible
20:16 ๐Ÿ”— ersi 6 Months price = 4.75$/mo. 12 Months price = 4.5$/mo
20:16 ๐Ÿ”— ersi but yeah, monthly is nice in it's own
20:31 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow I am occasionally really wrapped up in things, but I do keep track of archive team members. Some, after all, feel free to speak for the team to press or otherwise make choices. I like to understand things.
20:31 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow And arkver does the job. He gets it done.
20:32 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow You, antomatic, get cold feet.
20:32 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic Personal opinion, nothing more.
20:32 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Doing (Read: archiving/saving) > Talking about if people are hurt when they burn down a library or a piece of culture
20:32 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Now, you put in work, so you're not like that idiot we banned who comes back with the Golden Statue Rant of Jesus and God every 8 days when another college rejection letter shows up.
20:32 ๐Ÿ”— ersi IMO It's worth it that some get butthurt
20:33 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow But I don't really agree with you and I know that, in the darkest trench, you do not have my back.
20:33 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Which is fine, it's when someone says they do, and they don't, that there's a problem.
20:33 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Someone who runs when the blood runs is still someone who can keep track of the light tasks.
20:33 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic I don't know if I'd agree with that. But most people do appreciate another perspective.
20:33 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow I dare you to be offended that I'm saying an untruth.
20:34 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic Ultimately I never say "Let's not archive this", I do sometimes say "Um, guys, is it really the best way to squander what limited time we have bruteforcing 100 duplicates of the same thing and 400 million 404s?"
20:34 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic I don't consider that unreasonable.
20:35 ๐Ÿ”— ersi After ten times on the same project, it's unreasonable though.
20:35 ๐Ÿ”— ersi :)
20:35 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic And your point was well made, ersi, and I did indeed shut up as I promised to.
20:35 ๐Ÿ”— ersi True!
20:35 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow antomatic: http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png
20:36 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic I disagree only when I see an opportunity to do things /even more better/ - faster, harder, stronger, more often.
20:36 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic Or at least I'd like to think so.
20:36 ๐Ÿ”— ersi SketchCow: haha
20:36 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic You're sitting there going "wah, FOS takes 3 years to copy these billions of small files", and I kind of saw that coming.
20:37 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic But I said my bit and we each live with the decisions we make.
20:37 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic No drama.
20:37 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic Just opinion.
20:37 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic I like sea lions. :)
20:37 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow I wish you could listen to yourself.
20:38 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Then I could pair you two off while I got shit done.
20:38 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex hahaha
20:38 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid any germans here? does quake.de need an Impressum? it is a purely non-commercial community site but apparently some fucking abmahnanwalt sent the host a complaint
20:38 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow I'm sitting on a second machine to accompany FOS. When my time is truly lost, I could spin it up.
20:38 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic I like the sound of my own voice. But seriously, not a criticism at all, honestly.
20:39 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Welcome to Archive Team: ARE THERE ANY GERMANS HERE
20:39 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid yes me!
20:39 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid D:<
20:39 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley D:
20:40 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley so.... I'm down to bogie manor so far
20:40 ๐Ÿ”— * Smiley realises that's still B's and starts to cry
20:40 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow For the record, today is "Add metadata descriptions to every collection on archive.org I control"
20:41 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow So that has my attention. Throwing a couple basketballs off Ello Guy's face was just a bonus.
20:41 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex for the record, there's an eclipse this afternoon if you're in west or central USA
20:45 ๐Ÿ”— Smiley for the record, todays record is never gonna give you up
20:46 ๐Ÿ”— ersi schbirid: Ich bin ein Stapelfahrer
20:47 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Staplerfahrer
20:47 ๐Ÿ”— chronomex lol
20:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 [22:38] <schbirid> any germans here? does quake.de need an Impressum? it is a purely non-commercial community site but apparently some fucking abmahnanwalt sent the host a complaint
20:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 yes
20:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 it does
20:55 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 afaik every single german thing needs an impressum or otherwise contact details of the "publisher"
20:56 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 because stupid publisher law carried over to the interwebs and nobody bothered to change it, apparently
20:56 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 (not German, but read into that stuff)
21:01 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa http://fortune.com/2014/10/22/a-piece-of-apple-history-sells-for-900000/
21:25 ๐Ÿ”— ersi joepie91: Same thing for Sweden basically
21:25 ๐Ÿ”— ersi You need to register a Responsible Publisher/Editor thing
21:26 ๐Ÿ”— ersi at least if you want your site/publication to be protected under newspapery laws
21:26 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: I think it's just required for publishing in DE in general
21:26 ๐Ÿ”— ersi It is in Sweden as well
21:26 ๐Ÿ”— ersi For publishing, you have to have that
21:26 ๐Ÿ”— ersi for websites, you don't - unless you want it
21:38 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: problem is that a website is considered "publishing" in DE :)
21:39 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ersi: also, oldnet would be a nice way of saying it
21:39 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 more like StoneAgeNet
21:39 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 aaaaaaaaa: approximately arkiver? :P
21:39 ๐Ÿ”— aaaaaaaaa oh sorry wrong hat on, you programmers use !
21:40 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 hehe
21:43 ๐Ÿ”— antomatic at least I'm not offended yet. :)
22:02 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid joepie91: no, the law is mostly about commercial entities/interests
22:05 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid nighttime!

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