[00:18] SketchCow: was there any talks at IA yeterday? [01:27] sup [01:28] So, I just got back from the thrift store [01:28] https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=21F7781DB9BE4BBB!289&authkey=!AHkhysbAnuF1d70&ithint=folder%2cjpg [01:28] see anything worth picking up? [01:29] widgets 2000 looks like a shareware cd we don't have [01:31] It looks very low budget [01:31] I actually picked that one up [01:31] the label on it is home printed [01:32] I have a bunch of shareware CDs around the house somewhere [01:33] budget doesn't matter, we're looking for time capsules of old internet content [01:35] I know. [01:35] That's what made it so appealing! [01:36] It looks like a local or small time deal [01:36] Heh, someone uploaded a full copy of Windows NT 4 Server with the serial number on Archive.org [01:37] there seem to have been a lot of local productions like that, I found one from a town near me on the same street I used to work [01:37] I was thinking of uploading the bundled CDs and recovery disks of a few desktops and laptops I have around the house. [01:38] Some of them contain Windows XP or Vista, though. [01:38] Have you ever uploaded something that controversial? [01:40] heh [01:40] yes [01:41] it'll probably get hidden [02:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPM9oA72iQw [02:01] Yet NT4 Server doesn't? :P [02:02] What if I seperate the Windows XP CDs from the "other" driver CDs [02:02] Can IA hide only once piece of a collection or does hiding pretty much hide the whole thing? [02:03] I found the website of this Widgets 2000 CD I found [02:03] https://web.archive.org/web/20000520103210/http://www.vista-net.com/ [02:03] Unfortunately, the site for this CD is long gone and IA didn't get it [02:05] TFGBD: the catalog CD would be nice to put on IA, if it's not mislabelled/named [02:07] This CD is neat [02:07] It has lots of stuff like fake formatting apps and stuff with teletubbies [02:07] I'll rip it now [02:07] Scanning the material will take a bit longer [02:09] does it have the classic cupholder app? [02:11] not sure what that is [02:12] One of this things is supposed to test for Y2K and it said it changed all the Ys in the days of the week to Ks [02:12] made me lol [02:13] Does the catalog CD look like some kind of sampler? [02:17] I'm guessing it's a sampler or catalog for Humongous games, based on the Putt Putt character on the back [02:20] If you look, I took a shot of the back [02:21] https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=21F7781DB9BE4BBB&id=21F7781DB9BE4BBB!294&v=3&authkey=!AHkhysbAnuF1d70 [02:21] my thirft store is really annoying, too [02:22] they just throw the software in with the music CDs [02:23] What do you think of the Busytown How things Work? [02:28] I assume Lemmings and Carman San Diego are quite easy to find, so I won't even bother with those [02:28] and I already have the Cosmopolitan thing and titanic game [02:30] I uploaded this today: https://archive.org/details/SYN0797B [02:31] [03:02] Can IA hide only once piece of a collection or does hiding pretty much hide the whole thing? [02:31] darking is on a per-item level [02:32] TFGBD: cosmopolitan virtual make-over seems like something that'd be tricky to find [02:32] OMFG [02:33] trudy's time and place house! [02:33] I played that when I was little! [02:33] oh man [02:36] Will any of you guys pay me for this stuff? ;P [02:36] joepie91: I have the Cosmo virtual makeover MISB somewhere in the house [02:36] Heh, maybe I should bring a small laptop/cddrive to the thrift store... [02:37] android+usb dvd drive? ;P [02:38] I have some WinCE devices with USB host I guess I could boot Linux on [02:38] does your ripping stuff work on ARM? [02:40] TFGBD: it's just Python scripts, as long as the tools that it uses are available (see the README) it'll work [02:41] joepie91: http://www.squakenet.com/download/trudy-s-time-and-place-house/11892/ [02:41] Seems it's already ripped [02:47] TFGBD: not a disc image :/ [02:51] yeah [02:52] Guess not [02:52] Want to paypal me the $2? :P [02:54] BTW, Widgets 2000 is in the process or uploading [02:56] Oh yeah, I have this too [02:56] http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-FIFTH-ELEMENT-BIG-BOX-EDITION-for-PC-/181432576542?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a3e396a1e [02:56] Never opened [02:56] Interesting. There is one going for like $124 on ebay?! [02:57] Woo! https://archive.org/details/WIDGETS2000 [03:01] http://archive.org/download/WIDGETS2000/WIDGETS2000.ISO/movies%2Fcatpoop.mov [03:01] :| [03:11] TFGBD: I do not currently have budget for buying discs [03:11] :p [03:11] LOL [03:11] I wonder if that is still anywhere else [03:11] I assume it was on the internet or something [03:13] this CD was quite the gem :P [03:14] :P [03:15] TFGBD: if you like imaging discs, consider putting up a notice somewhere in the neighbourhood (supermarket noticeboard...?) asking for old CDs/DVDs [03:16] if you say something along the lines of "it doesn't matter what's on it", you'll probably run across a few people who will be more than happy to make their CD storage problem, into your CD storage problem [03:16] :P [03:16] Is it true there are disk recycling places you can go to and just grab the discs from? [03:16] I have no clue, never heard of one, there's giveaway stores / really really free markets though [03:16] occasionally CDs/DVDs pop up there [03:16] never heard of those [03:16] ah, US-based [03:17] google around for really really free markets [03:17] My thirft store isn't as cheap as it used to be either [03:17] don't think giveaway stores are really a thing in the US [03:17] and they get everything for free! [03:17] more a EU thing [03:17] TFGBD: tl;dr a really really free market is like a flea market, except everything is free [03:17] wow, neat [03:17] never heard of such a thing [03:17] sounds like a very different culture [03:17] a giveaway store is something similar, except you can usually bring in your own stuff, and they're usually in (semi-)permanent housing [03:18] closest thing I can think of is craigslist [03:18] giveaway stores are fairly common in NL and Germany, but not the US [03:18] TFGBD: really really free markets are pretty common in the US [03:18] you should Google around [03:18] maybe organize one yourself :D [03:18] Do yoi mind if scans are JPEG? [03:18] all it really takes is a patch of grass [03:18] TFGBD: JPEG is lossy, so yes, that is a problem [03:18] I know some prefer them to be PNG or TIFF for maximum preservation [03:18] but they're just so huge :/ [03:18] scans should really be lossless [03:18] TFGBD: are you limited in terms of upload speed? [03:19] Nah, I just don't like to waste space with those huge files [03:19] TFGBD: you're not "wasting space" :P [03:19] I suppose I could just upload them and keep jpegs for myself [03:19] after uploading the PNGs [03:19] sure [03:19] just make sure to upload lossless to IA [03:19] like [03:19] I notice archive.org has a conversion thing too [03:19] pngcrush would help the size problem. [03:20] TFGBD: unless you're trying to upload an entire video site, size is not a concern for IA [03:20] Heh, the site was stupid enough to use a 50MB png as the thumbnail before I converted it to a thumbnail ;P [03:20] basically, just assume that whatever data you have will fit [03:20] Glad I fixed that [03:20] I'd hate to browse that on dialup :P [03:20] it's better to have an IA engineer running around with his hair on fire to fix the space issue, than to be missing original source data in the archive [03:20] so to say [03:21] Do you know how the iso/zip download works? [03:21] Does it extract them all and store everything twice? [03:21] TFGBD: the archive.org conversion is for 1) convenience and 2) keeping things accessible... the original is always kept and re-derived over time if necessary :) [03:21] TFGBD: the browsing thing you mean? [03:21] or do they have some way to download a file directly from an iso/zip? [03:21] afaik that's on-the-fly reading of the file index [03:21] yeah [03:21] with offsets [03:21] (which is why it's so slow) [03:21] You just linked me to a mov and it streamed swimmingly with VLC/MPC-HC [03:22] (I didn't link that) [03:22] :P [03:22] sorry [03:22] someone did :P [03:22] muhahaha [03:22] but yeah, as far as I know it just uses the file index to find the offset [03:22] and then serves the data from there [03:22] which is why it has high initial latency [03:22] (I presume) [03:22] I found this old BMW navigation DVD some years back and I was always wondering what I should do with it [03:22] Guess I'll upload it [03:23] yes :D [03:23] upload all the things! [03:23] It's fun looking around for junk. [03:23] There are a bunch of shareware CDs in the other room [03:23] things like fonts and clipart [03:23] Will Archive.org also take trials? [03:24] TFGBD: archive.org takes anything :P [03:24] I have some Windows CE trials I got directly from Microsoft that they mailed to me on CD/DVD [03:24] They're generally pretty huge [03:24] TFGBD: just upload them [03:24] Will do [03:24] again, size is not a concern [03:25] I'm been looking for a place to upload this stuff for when MS hides it on their site for awhile now [03:25] yeah, they've got room. [03:25] a lot of places either focus on games or OSes and don't really want 5GB OS porting toolkits [03:25] or there are "legal issues" [03:26] but even if there are, at least IA will preserve them in a vault somewhere [03:28] exactly * [03:28] exactyl [03:28] :) [03:28] Can IA look inside RAR and 7z? [03:28] 7z: not yet, afaik [03:28] RAR: probably never, proprietary format [03:28] I generally prefer zip but other sites prefer 7z [03:28] basically, don't upload RAR unless that is the format that the original files are in [03:28] Can't IA convert it? [03:28] never pack something as RAR (or any other proprietary format) yourself [03:29] TFGBD: maybe, maybe not, maybe it can now but not in the future [03:29] Yeah, some installers use RAR [03:29] proprietary formats are eviil [03:29] :P [03:29] wasn't zip proprietairy once? [03:29] basically, if you pack up something yourself, use an open format [03:29] I'm not sure on ZIP actually [03:29] proprietary* [03:29] I used zip for all the bin/cues [03:30] I don't like the idea of just uploading the bin and cue [03:30] ... why not? [03:30] it can't look in them anyway, I si just upload an iso [03:30] TFGBD: look, you need to understand that it isn't about what IA can do *right now* [03:30] you should always present your data as 'cleanly' as possible [03:30] Isn't zip clean? [03:31] not as clean as just uploading the files [03:31] you're adding an extra layer that IA doesn't and can't know what to do with [03:31] I figure it will make it easier for people to download too since they could save a few 100mb [03:31] TFGBD: all that kind of stuff can be implemented on IA's side [03:31] and it uses less of their bw [03:31] again, don't worry about resources [03:31] TFGBD: [03:31] like adding zip on their end? [03:31] look [03:31] please read this very carefully [03:32] all you as an uploader/archivist/whatever need to be concerned with, is presenting the data as cleanly as you possibly could; that is, not making any modifications unless there is an inevitable technical requirement for doing so [03:32] that's where your responsibility ends [03:32] okay, my next one will be raw [03:32] turning the data into something easily downloadable, browsable, whatever, is the responsibility of IA [03:32] Though, I have a few disk images with keygens and serials stupidly integrated [03:32] I'm going to need to reauthor the iso for other sites. [03:33] wasn't zip proprietairy once? [03:33] the zip file format was released into the public domain on the first release: http://cd.textfiles.com/pcmedic9310/MAIN/MISC/COMPRESS/ZIP.PRS [03:33] I see [03:33] TFGBD: every time you change something, pack it up, rename it, whatever, you make it harder for IA's backend to figure out exactly what it is meant to represent, and this WILL cause issues in the long term [03:33] I get ya [03:33] the uploads you're making are meant to still be there and still be usable in 1000 years [03:33] I just hope they last that long [03:34] whether IA can browse through a bin/cue, in that bigger picture, is just completely insignificant [03:34] I'm so used to internet companies going by the wayside [03:34] well, that's the point of IA [03:34] TFGBD: let's put it this way, of all entities I am aware of, IA is the one I have most faith in, longevity-wise [03:34] but what happens when the archive needs an archive? ;P [03:34] yeah, they've been around for a good while so far [03:34] nothing is certain, but IA is the best option I am aware of so far [03:35] do you know if youtube privately archives deleted videos? [03:35] some say they do, some say they don't - it doesn't really matter, because you can't access them anyway [03:35] does IA have anything for YouTube? [03:35] also [03:35] [04:32] Though, I have a few disk images with keygens and serials stupidly integrated [03:35] [04:32] I'm going to need to reauthor the iso for other sites. [03:35] two things regarding this: [03:35] 1) please do not upload a reauthored version to IA if you can at all avoid it [03:36] 2) if at all possible, try to find a 'clean' copy (that is, original disc without any modifications, straight from publisher, pressed and not burned) and upload an image of that [03:36] if you can't find a clean copy, then at least make a note of it in the description, indicating that it's not a clean copy [03:36] Unfortunately, that isn't always possible 15 year later [03:36] torrents long dead, etc [03:36] of course, see above [03:36] if there's really no other copy, then you don't have much choice [03:37] 2 of the the Corel DRAWs I uploaded are bought copies [03:37] the Corel 9 was a backup, unfortunately [03:37] but it didn't look modified [03:37] TFGBD: make sure to make a note in the description [03:37] And it was a full copy of the original CDs [03:37] even if you think it wasn't modified [03:37] (you can edit descriptions afterwards) [03:37] yeah, I've done that tons [03:37] Will change it now [03:37] alright [03:38] Should I add a custom field or just append it to the main description? [03:38] Also, I see why you mean about the editors being from 2 different eras :P [03:38] I'm not sure if a metadata field for this exists [03:38] most metadata fields are not documented [03:38] :/ [03:38] I guess just do the description for now [03:38] Oh, I was thinking... [03:39] You know how there is an android store archival project? [03:39] SketchCow: underscor: DFJustin: is there a metadata field to indicate that a disc image is not of a 'clean' copy; that is, the source disc is copied/burned, reauthored (keygen/crack included), etc. [03:39] Is there anything for Windows Phone 7/8? [03:39] no clue [03:40] I hate this OS but I finally figured out a way to backup the apps [03:40] Unfortunately, it involves repacking them as .xaps are not stored unmodified like .apks are [03:40] how do you mean? [03:41] xaps are zips that get extracted/copied to the respective GUID folders and then deleted [03:41] But there is at least one tool that can rebuild them from the directories on the device. [03:42] This may also be urgent because Windows Phone 7 (even 7.8 from 2012) will be EOL soon [03:42] If it isn't already [03:42] It worries me they could take down the Marketplace like they did for Pocket PC 6.5 [03:43] Though, that was no big loss since there wasn't much there that wasn't also downloadable directly [03:43] But WP7 without the marketplace is almost useless [03:43] Outside of the handful of sites that archive .xaps [03:43] There are lots of these shitty WP7 devices that could be useless in the future without the Marketplace too [03:44] I have about 500mb of XAP packages I just backed up. Guess I should upload them [04:12] TFGBD: hm, is there any way to automate downloading applications? [04:12] not that I've found [04:13] there used to be stuff that would let you download stuff directly from a PC [04:13] even paid stuff [04:13] but I'm pretty sure they fixed that [04:13] well [04:13] I mean, from a theoretical perspective [04:13] if your phone can download it, then so can something else [04:14] It was a bitch even finding something to back things up [04:14] I think the tool I used is open source [04:14] let me check [04:14] it has the most hard to find name in the world [04:14] There's no direct metadata field other than description. [04:14] TFGBD: ^ [04:14] the metadata like comments/descriptions could just be parsed from the MS site [04:15] TFGBD: so, basically just edit the description to indicate the source [04:15] and, right [04:15] Example: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/uc-browser/6cda5651-56b9-48b0-8771-91dbc188f873 [04:16] Also, as far as I know, the WP7 VM can't be activated and used on the market place so you likely need an unlocked real device [04:17] I could provide one but unlike a normal WinCE device or desktop, there is no way to remotely control the GUI [04:18] It's a very crippled OS. [04:19] Though, it might be possible to install cmd.exe and a telnetd and script a remote device that way. [04:20] there is one app that displays the screen via remote usb screen sharing but you can't actually interact with the device without using it's physical touchscreen [04:20] Also, there is Python for Windows CE but the WP7 OS may be too crippled to run it without source mods [04:22] TFGBD: does it have wifi? [04:23] if yes; buy $3 USB wifi adapter from china, make it present itself as an access point, run wireshark, intercept store traffic [04:23] reverse-engineer whatever it is doing [04:23] with a bit of luck that should be sufficient [04:23] anyway, I need to sleep [04:23] so, night [04:28] mm [04:52] TFGBD: another reason to just upload the original format: it removes the need to think [04:52] yipdw: 02:40Z tell yipdw I feel bad for you how many times 5t63lexhfmb4sw240u86sjijn has got stuck and needs to be stop-cont again [04:52] fucking arb735 [04:52] I feel like dec3199 sent his minions to fuck everything [04:52] that's gamergate level conspiracy theory though so [05:10] dec3199 has no minions [05:17] I getcha :P [05:17] Though, I think zip can be useful if you need to preserve timestamps [05:17] Does the archive.org upload thing preserve time stamps? [05:26] SketchCow: underscor: DFJustin: is there a metadata field to indicate that a disc image is not of a 'clean' copy; that is, the source disc is copied/burned, reauthored (keygen/crack included), etc. <-- I put that kind of thing in the "notes" field [05:36] when stuff is hidden, can the uploader still access it? [05:36] no [05:39] TFGBD: if you upload the data as-is timestamps are preesrved [05:40] if the data was not originally timestamped then adding them doesn't really help [05:41] you can also set dates on items using the IA uploader [05:44] I didn't think the HTML5 uploader would preserve timestamps [05:44] What is your stance on renaming generic filenames [05:45] Like, sometimes when I download files named "setup.exe" or setup.zip, i renamethem to ProgramName_version_(setup).zip [05:45] keep them as-is [05:45] your description of what they are should go in the notes [05:45] I'm trying to keep the disk labels in the filenames too [05:45] if you've already renamed them then don't rename then again, just upload and describe [05:45] this doesn't have to be a long book of rules [05:46] the mantra is Just Upload The Things [05:46] DMCA be damned? :P [05:46] what are you from, HN [05:46] HN? [05:46] I have 2 CD drives now :P [05:46] ok good probably not [05:46] DMCA doesn't matter [05:46] if it happens to raise an issue your data will be hidden and you will be notified [05:47] Oh, good [05:47] at least they tell you [05:47] if further legal action needs to be taken it will be taken [05:47] Wait, what [05:47] You mean I could go to jail? [05:47] just upload the shit [05:47] yes you could [05:47] we all could [05:47] is it likely no [05:47] I thought archive.org is the one who gets in trouble [05:47] guess I shouldn't used an account tied to my main email [05:47] use* [05:48] I've uploaded a few thousand items that likely violate every rule there's a law for [05:48] www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI [05:48] worrying about DMCA etc hitting you is a theoretical possibility but who cares [05:48] I assume they don't like child porn either [05:49] uploading child porn without a very obviously strong justification would probably put you into the asshole box, yeah [05:49] lol [05:49] I have a bunch of archived imageboard threads that I don't feel like checking every folder of [05:49] you know sometimes people spam that stuff [05:51] sure [05:51] i guess I could make another account for that and use a proxy [05:51] if you don't know if it's there then uploading it and describing the data is probably fine [05:52] let IA deal with it [05:52] if you know CP is in there and you upload it then you probably have much more explaining to do [05:52] i getcha [05:52] Man, there is so much crap I could upload! [05:53] I not see why there is that python upload app [05:53] the whole point of dmca is that the uploader gets in trouble and not the site that accepts uploads [05:53] It's very handy for bulk uploading. [05:54] in practice nobody really cares once the stuff is taken down [05:55] Do you spend time writing a detailed description or is there just too much you sent? [05:56] I have not written descriptions, but that's because SketchCow writes them for me [05:56] SketchCow? [05:56] the stuff I've uploaded is a bunch of Warrior results [05:56] Jason Scott [05:57] he makes the collections, I throw stuff in there [05:57] DVDs only need ISO, right? [05:57] or should I still do bin/cue just to be safe? [05:57] iso should be fine [05:57] It's a map DVD for a PDA [05:57] for example, he wrote the description for https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_twitchtv [05:57] in general though a good detailed description is useful [05:57] godane has done a bunch I believe [05:58] writing descriptions is better than not writing them, but not if it prevents you from uploading the stuff because you don't have time for descriptions [05:58] i get ya [05:59] there's also good old copy and paste [05:59] I often open up cds and look for a readme.txt or whatever with something usable [05:59] Most of the stuff I put up didn't have much of that so far [05:59] I took some things from websites and wikipedia [06:02] You ever use a camera or are scans just better? [06:12] * TFGBD just added this to the notes of one of my upload: [06:12] The source discs these were imaged from are not the original discs but a backup copy that was likely burned from an .ISO rip of the original." [08:31] yawn [14:20] scans are just better unless you've built a setup with a fixed camera mount and proper backdrops [14:22] is anyone here set up to scan magazines? [14:22] or do I just send them to SketchCow and hope for the best? [14:23] godane has a scanner afaik, don't know if he can scan atm, [14:23] And I think maybe joepie91 too but thats not confirmed [14:24] I have a scanner, but just regular flatbed/formfeed [14:24] A4 formfeed [14:24] so not very useful for magazines unless I'm bored for a day [14:24] :P [16:48]