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[17:01] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:12] *** rejon has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:22] *** Start has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:33] *** garyrh has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:43] *** Start has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:38] *** cbb has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:53] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:10] .t https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8881841 [19:10] oh right [19:10] .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8881841 [19:10] joepie91: The EU may have just banned the anonymous sale of online goods and services | Hacker News [19:12] i continue to wonder why people choose to live there, but i wonder the same thing about every part of the world from time to time [19:13] It's All Fucked [19:13] bingo [19:14] joepie91: wat, do you have something to hide? [19:14] *** godane has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [19:14] you have no idea how much I hope that some lawyer is going to waltz in and go "no you're wrong because X and Y" [19:14] because I seriously don't want this to be true [19:14] :| [19:15] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:20] *** rejon has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:31] joepie91: fyi, electronic services are defined here [19:31] http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2011:077:0001:0022:EN:PDF [19:33] aaaaaaaaa: yes, but read the document I linked [19:33] it states that the definition is unclear/incomplete [19:33] and it requires redefinition [19:33] *** bzc6p_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:33] afaik the document I linked was drafted *after* 2011 [19:33] so I can't assume that that definition is correct anymore [19:35] *** bzc6p_ has left [19:35] section three incorporated through reference [19:36] wait wrong section, I was in findings [19:40] apologies, I can't be of more help until it is engrossed. Too much to keep track of. [19:47] *** Panasonic has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:47] http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/telecom/explanatory_notes_2015_en.pdf may be helpful as it is in better english [19:47] maybe section 1.2 or 1.3 [20:03] *** brayden has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [20:10] *** sankin has quit IRC (Leaving.) 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But show it's bad for privacy and business ovehead..different players [22:13] :) [22:14] *** Boppen has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:42] *** incurza- is now known as Incurza^ [23:17] *** xtr-201 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [23:23] *** xtr-201 has joined #archiveteam-bs