#archiveteam-bs 2015-02-08,Sun

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06:15 πŸ”— kyan_ weird, IA doesn't allow rar upload
06:17 πŸ”— kyan_ annoyingly it accepts the file, and then rejects it *after* it's finished uploading...
06:30 πŸ”— ionpulse huh wonder why
06:31 πŸ”— ionpulse rar has recovery records though, which are good
06:31 πŸ”— ohhdemgir proprietary bs format?
06:33 πŸ”— ionpulse There are floss decompressors on almost every platform, and rar/unrar in non-free branches in linux distros.
06:34 πŸ”— ohhdemgir that was my best guess
06:34 πŸ”— ionpulse Despite the formating being non-open source, accessing the data is just a trivial as any other compression scheme.
06:35 πŸ”— ionpulse It might very well be because its proprietary like you said, or because its the warez scene standard.
06:36 πŸ”— xmc i'd guess because it's commonly full of warez
06:37 πŸ”— ohhdemgir aye, quite the choice format there
06:37 πŸ”— ohhdemgir xmc, did you get the output of ftp-nab?
06:37 πŸ”— xmc remind me?
06:38 πŸ”— ohhdemgir SketchCow, said you were running https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ftp-nab
06:38 πŸ”— ohhdemgir awhile ago now i imagine
06:38 πŸ”— xmc oh
06:38 πŸ”— xmc yeah i ran that for about 4 hours before my host bitched at me
06:39 πŸ”— ohhdemgir same story as the rest of us XD
06:39 πŸ”— ohhdemgir ballocks
06:40 πŸ”— kyan_ Published a blog post tearing apart the ISIL terrorist propaganda effort, with links to their magazines for assessment... I just know someone's going to tell me I'm supporting terrorism by linking them :P *looks over shoulder*
07:50 πŸ”— * ionpulse points
07:52 πŸ”— Control-S I think if a format is going to be auto-rejected, it should be rejected before it gets more than a few MB in
07:53 πŸ”— Control-S also shouldn't warez be archived too?
07:54 πŸ”— yipdw the S3 endpoint has a similar reject behavior when uploading WARCs
07:55 πŸ”— yipdw it is probably one of those things on the gigantic IA todo list
07:55 πŸ”— godane i have this rejection happen with m4v files
07:55 πŸ”— godane it start to suggest that i change it to mp4
07:55 πŸ”— Control-S Also I want to play around with some of the warrior projects to try reusing them for idifferent tasks, and i run windows 7 on my main PC. Does anyone have reccomendations for what I should do to test my changes? Should I set up a VM?
07:56 πŸ”— yipdw yes
07:56 πŸ”— yipdw almost nobody develops these things on Windows 7
07:56 πŸ”— yipdw I mean feel free to try but there won't be much help
07:56 πŸ”— Control-S Any reccomendations for what distro/software i should use in a dev VM?
07:57 πŸ”— yipdw debian and ubuntu get a lot of use here
07:57 πŸ”— Control-S I'm a linux noob, and i can throw a reasonable amount of CPU and ram at the VM
07:57 πŸ”— yipdw also http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Dev/Seesaw and http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Dev/Tracker might be useful
07:58 πŸ”— Control-S okay, any good IDEs for python, LUA, ect?
07:58 πŸ”— yipdw I don't know
07:58 πŸ”— Control-S can you reccomend any good VM software?
07:59 πŸ”— yipdw VirtualBox
07:59 πŸ”— Control-S thanks
07:59 πŸ”— yipdw https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/archiveteam-dev-env is also useful
07:59 πŸ”— yipdw there's typically not much reason to set up the tracker machine yourself
08:00 πŸ”— Control-S I don't understand about the tracker
08:00 πŸ”— Control-S can it be within the same VM?
08:00 πŸ”— yipdw yes
08:00 πŸ”— Control-S phew
08:00 πŸ”— yipdw that's the idea behind https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/archiveteam-dev-env
08:01 πŸ”— Control-S i'm sorry if i seem a bit thick, It's very hot here and i've not been at my best
08:01 πŸ”— yipdw I hate you, it's been freezing here until recently
08:02 πŸ”— Control-S I like the cold because it's much easier to heat a room than cool it
08:02 πŸ”— Control-S and i never think as well if i'm hot
08:02 πŸ”— Control-S such is life in australia
08:03 πŸ”— Control-S so I should run this dev-env thing inside a VM?
08:03 πŸ”— yipdw insofar as IDEs go I've seen chfoo use Eclipse with some plugins for Python
08:03 πŸ”— yipdw I don't know how good that is, chfoo would be the person to ask
08:04 πŸ”— Control-S it's the shell script in step one of "Creating the VM appliance" that concerns me
08:04 πŸ”— yipdw you can download the linked OVA (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/672132/archiveteam/archiveteam-dev-env-v1-20140913.ova) and run that in VirtualBox
08:04 πŸ”— Control-S I can just run that and do all my dev stuff there?
08:04 πŸ”— yipdw yes
08:05 πŸ”— Control-S nice GUI there or all CLI?
08:05 πŸ”— yipdw it's all console, there's not really a need for a GUI in the VM
08:05 πŸ”— yipdw to edit using tools on your desktop, VirtualBox's shared folders can be useful
08:06 πŸ”— Control-S So I should use a windows IDE and copy to the VM to run it?
08:07 πŸ”— yipdw whatever is most comfortable
08:07 πŸ”— yipdw you don't need to copy
08:07 πŸ”— yipdw shared folders automatically sync
08:07 πŸ”— Control-S okay, thanks. I'll have a go at setting it all up
08:08 πŸ”— yipdw the idea behind shared folders is that you can mount the dev user's home directory
08:08 πŸ”— yipdw as a path on your Windows machine (it'll show up as a network drive)
08:08 πŸ”— yipdw then your IDE can access that and you can do repo management, code, etc. from there
08:08 πŸ”— yipdw or you can split between the console and IDE as you prefer
08:09 πŸ”— yipdw you will need console access to start/stop the tracker
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09:46 πŸ”— godane i'm starting to upload kbs nine o'clock news
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09:55 πŸ”— godane uploaded: https://archive.org/details/kbs-news-video-news9-2000-01-02
09:55 πŸ”— godane anything before mid may 200 is like 28kbs video
09:55 πŸ”— godane *may 2000
09:59 πŸ”— godane also note that item is the only one from jan 2000
09:59 πŸ”— godane there is none in feb 2000
09:59 πŸ”— godane and march videos starts on the 22
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10:50 πŸ”— schbirid anyone know a good overview how geoip != actual origin of hacking attack to link to some dumb journalists?
10:58 πŸ”— w0rp https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.kowalczuk.rsync4android&hl=en_GB This application is alright.
10:58 πŸ”— w0rp It runs rsync over SSH with a key pair and you can give it the command line parameters.
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11:58 πŸ”— schbirid http://wathifi.tumblr.com/
12:21 πŸ”— winr4r oh, dude, i saw that a couple of weeks back, that is amazing
12:23 πŸ”— winr4r "By comparison, Cat5e sounded β€˜greyer’, with less contrast and somewhat dulled detail."
12:24 πŸ”— winr4r i like how the site they're quoting is called "enjoythemusic.com" when the people there are doing everything but
12:24 πŸ”— Control-S were they running alalogue over the cable or something?
12:24 πŸ”— Control-S or are they just THAT far gone?
12:25 πŸ”— winr4r if you're hearing sound differences between fucking *ethernet cables* you are enjoying the sound of your own voice, not the music
12:25 πŸ”— winr4r Control-S: they are THAT FAR GONE.
12:25 πŸ”— winr4r elsewhere from the same site, "This Corsair drive (another SSD) conspicuously highlighted vocal sibilants, and had a hard, relentless quality that was impossible to miss."
12:25 πŸ”— winr4r WHY MUSIC SOUNDS DIFFERENT PLAYED FROM A DIFFERENT HARD DRIVE.
12:26 πŸ”— Control-S are they running a DB server off the disk or something?
12:26 πŸ”— winr4r no
12:26 πŸ”— winr4r welcome to the world of audiophiles, Control-S
12:26 πŸ”— Control-S i'm just trying to give them far more benifit of the doubt than is reasonable
12:26 πŸ”— winr4r Control-S: insert hitler analogy
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12:27 πŸ”— Control-S Like assuming WORST POSSIBLE testing conditions
12:27 πŸ”— winr4r this is what audiophiles actually believe
12:28 πŸ”— Control-S I can imagine ways that it MIGHT be POSSIBLE for the different equiptment to have a difference, but you'd have to be trying pretty hard to ever encounter such conditions
12:28 πŸ”— winr4r no, it's not
12:29 πŸ”— Control-S Like running analogue over cat5 in a really noisy environment
12:29 πŸ”— winr4r audio reviewers make shit up all the time, it's just obvious to us that they are in this case because they don't know how digital audio works and we do
12:30 πŸ”— Control-S or using freaky custom encoding designed by an idiot and running on hardware taxed past specs
12:30 πŸ”— Control-S but yeah, these guys are either idiots, scammers, or both
12:31 πŸ”— winr4r it's a perfect case study of how if you WANT a thing to be true, it will be
12:31 πŸ”— Control-S I'd be rather interested in seeing some engineers try to actually make the claims possible
12:31 πŸ”— winr4r they want to hear differences, so they do
12:32 πŸ”— Control-S like that analogue over cat5 example
12:32 πŸ”— winr4r they don't make money from telling people that $10 cables sound the same as $1000 cables
12:32 πŸ”— Control-S simpily for comedic value
12:33 πŸ”— winr4r because it's the $1000 cable guys that advertise with them
12:33 πŸ”— Control-S What cases can you think of where that sort of money would actually be reasonable for a cable?
12:33 πŸ”— Smiley ok thats odd
12:34 πŸ”— Control-S Like any scientific fields where ludicrous shielding is needed
12:34 πŸ”— Smiley why is this same disucssion happening right now in the arqade chat on stackexchange.
12:34 πŸ”— Smiley Control-S: no
12:34 πŸ”— Smiley 'directional cables' doesn't make tem worth more money
12:34 πŸ”— winr4r Smiley: lol is that a thing
12:34 πŸ”— Smiley yes
12:34 πŸ”— Control-S haha wow directional cables?
12:35 πŸ”— Smiley All audio cables are directional. The correct direction is determined by listening to every batch of metal conductors used in every AudioQuest audio cable. Arrows are clearly marked on the connectors to ensure superior sound quality. For best results have the arrow pointing in the direction of the flow of music. For example, NAS to Router, Router to Network Player.
12:35 πŸ”— * Smiley cries
12:35 πŸ”— Smiley mean while I'm going to a 1 yr olds party
12:35 πŸ”— Control-S like more conductors for one direction of data transfer?
12:35 πŸ”— Smiley well, 7 1 yr olds
12:35 πŸ”— winr4r that is awesome
12:36 πŸ”— winr4r Smiley: my god that sounds terrifying
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12:36 πŸ”— Control-S give them all fingerpaint
12:36 πŸ”— Control-S film results
12:37 πŸ”— schbirid uh
12:37 πŸ”— schbirid you guys
12:37 πŸ”— schbirid of course cables are directional
12:38 πŸ”— schbirid why else does everyone have less up than downstream on DSL
12:38 πŸ”— winr4r lol
12:38 πŸ”— schbirid a friend of mine once reversed the direction of his cable and had like fiber for a day until the isp noticed
12:38 πŸ”— Control-S different allocation of frequency ranges
12:39 πŸ”— Control-S Have you ever tried plugging your modem into the phone line with a cat6 cable? you can get gigabit internet for the same price as dialup
12:41 πŸ”— schbirid yeah but dont you have to chip off the limiter pin first?
12:42 πŸ”— Control-S you can use a marker to block it, like that old cd copy protection. just take a sharpie to the edgemost pins and shove the thing in until it stays in place
12:43 πŸ”— schbirid nice let me try
12:43 πŸ”— Control-S If it doesn't seem to fit you need to push harder
12:43 πŸ”— godane so you take cat6 cable and force into a dial-up modem to get gigabit?
12:44 πŸ”— godane :P
12:44 πŸ”— Control-S this is actually how the internet archive gets its bandwidth
12:44 πŸ”— raylee LOL
12:44 πŸ”— winr4r hahaha.
12:45 πŸ”— Control-S they have a PBX that they do this with on all the ports, so it's multiplied by like 50 times
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12:54 πŸ”— schbirid D:
12:55 πŸ”— schbirid ;)
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13:01 πŸ”— godane so issue 14 and 15 of electronic gaming monthly are on retromags.com
13:02 πŸ”— godane they been out for a while
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13:16 πŸ”— Control-S regarding the archiveteam-dev-env VM image, is there anything special i need to do to get a shared folder working?
13:17 πŸ”— Control-S I get an error message when I try to access the shared folder settings through the devices menu in virtualbox
13:18 πŸ”— Control-S http://imgur.com/OcvIbva
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16:48 πŸ”— aaaaaaaa_ Control-S: you need to install the virtualbox-guest-utils package, IIRC
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17:34 πŸ”— joepie91 http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/8041/audioquest-diamond-rj-e-ethernet-cable-12m
17:43 πŸ”— schbirid god, journalists
17:43 πŸ”— schbirid 31 attacks on swiss water plants!
17:43 πŸ”— schbirid (aka some honeypot they got setup)
17:43 πŸ”— schbirid 15 ips, 14 of which they managed to publish
17:44 πŸ”— schbirid 4 x shodan
17:44 πŸ”— schbirid 2 other researcher domains
17:44 πŸ”— schbirid 8 known scanners/hack sources
17:44 πŸ”— schbirid 1 ancient adsl router
17:44 πŸ”— schbirid OMG WE SIMULATED A WATER PLANT AND GOT ATTACKOXXERD!
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17:47 πŸ”— joepie91 schbirid: wa
17:47 πŸ”— joepie91 wat *
17:47 πŸ”— schbirid http://blog.tagesanzeiger.ch/datenblog/index.php/7521/31-attacken-auf-schweizer-wasserkraftwerke
17:47 πŸ”— schbirid enjoy
17:53 πŸ”— schbirid comment in the works
17:58 πŸ”— schbirid wtf is a "TCP - Crash tentative" attack
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17:58 πŸ”— xmc the trans canada pipeline isn't sure if a truck crashed in to it
18:03 πŸ”— schbirid :)
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20:21 πŸ”— joepie91 botpie91: tell yipdw reminder: tomorrow (feb 9) is last day for starnode
20:21 πŸ”— botpie91 joepie91: I'll pass that on when yipdw is around.
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23:13 πŸ”— yipdw joepie91: aaaaaaaaaa
23:13 πŸ”— botpie91 yipdw: 20:21Z <joepie91> tell yipdw reminder: tomorrow (feb 9) is last day for starnode
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23:21 πŸ”— SketchCow Reminderbot!!!
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23:26 πŸ”— joepie91 yipdw: thank you, now please panic appropriately
23:26 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
23:26 πŸ”— yipdw I'm just aborting all of starnode's jobs
23:26 πŸ”— yipdw or getting someone to do it for me
23:26 πŸ”— joepie91 heh
23:26 πŸ”— joepie91 is it out of the rotation already?
23:26 πŸ”— yipdw yeah
23:26 πŸ”— joepie91 as in, nodes that jobs are assigned to
23:26 πŸ”— yipdw I stopped it last month
23:26 πŸ”— joepie91 okay
23:27 πŸ”— joepie91 okay :P
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